doc.: IEEE P /661r8 Submission July 2009 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Stellar SwitchesSlide 1 July 2009 Mesh Meeting Agenda Date: Authors: NameAddressAffiliationPhone Donald Eastlake 3 rd 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA USA Stellar Switches

doc.: IEEE P /661r8 Submission July 2009 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Stellar SwitchesSlide 2 IEEE s: Mesh Networking Task Group TGs Motto: Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing left to add but when there is nothing left to take away. San Francisco, California July, 2009 Chair: Donald E. Eastlake 3 rd (Stellar Switches) Temporary Technical Editor: Kazuyuki Sakoda (Sony) Secretary: Stephen Rayment (BelAir Networks)

doc.: IEEE P /661r8 Submission July 2009 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Stellar SwitchesSlide 3 Venue Hyatt Regency, San Francisco, California

doc.: IEEE P /661r8 Submission July 2009 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Stellar SwitchesSlide 4 General Flow of the TGs Meeting Monday (ad hoc) –Administrivia –Resolution of Comments and Improvement of the Draft Tuesday –Administrivia and Status –TGs Process Presentation –Resolution of Comments and Improvement of the Draft Wednesday –Security Presentations –Resolution of Comments and Improvement of the Draft Thursday –Resolution of Comments and Improvement of the Draft –TGs Process Discussion –Teleconferences/Ad-Hoc Meetings Discussion and Votes

doc.: IEEE P /661r8 Submission July 2009 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Stellar SwitchesSlide 5 Monday, 13 July :00–11:00 (Pacific Concourse A) Call ad hoc meeting to Order at 08:10 –The chair indicated that they would act as Secretary for this ad hoc meeting. –Miscellaneous Announcements –Manual attendance reminder –Review of IEEE 802 and Policies and Procedures on Intellectual Property, Inappropriate Topics, Etc. Ad Hoc Meeting Agenda –approved unanimously Status of TGs Draft 3.02 and Comment Resolutions –“Resolution of comments from Letter Ballot 147”, 11-09/471r10 –11-09/664r0, Kazuyuki Sakoda (presented by chair)

doc.: IEEE P /661r8 Submission July 2009 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Stellar SwitchesSlide 6 Monday, 13 July :00–11:00 (Pacific Concourse A) Comment Resolution and improvement of the Draft –Discussion of and unanimous support to re-open CIDs 409, 415, 424, 585, 783, 773, and –Subgroup interest poll: General: 0 MAC: 3 RFI: 2 Security: 5 –The chair suggested dividing into MAC and Security subgroups but objections were raised that some security comment resolutions might depend on security presentations not yet made. There was agreement to split into two subgroups, one of which was MAC. –Poll, should the second subgroup be RFI or Security? RFI: 3 Security: 0

doc.: IEEE P /661r8 Submission July 2009 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Stellar SwitchesSlide 7 Monday, 13 July :00–11:00 (Pacific Concourse A) –The task group divided into two subgroups as follows: RFI – Guenael Strutt coördinator MAC – Dee Denteneer coördinator The Task group meeting was called back together. Ad hoc meeting adjourned at 10:55

doc.: IEEE P /661r8 Submission July 2009 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Stellar SwitchesSlide 8 Tuesday, 14 July :00 – 10:00 (Pacific Concourse M) Call Meeting to Order –Selection of Temporary Secretary Dee Denteneer volunteered except for Thursday AM2 –Miscellaneous Announcements –Automated attendance reminder –Review of IEEE 802 and Policies and Procedures on Intellectual Property, Inappropriate Topics, Etc. Meeting Agenda –Approved unanimously Approval of Minutes: –Montreal meeting minutes: 11-09/595r0 Approved unanimously

doc.: IEEE P /661r8 Submission July 2009 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Stellar SwitchesSlide 9 Automated Attendance Recording Go to (Documents: or or just –Sign-in –Claim attendance credit for each session. Only “sign-in” and “claim credit” for yourself, do NOT “sign-in” for others. You have to log in every session!

doc.: IEEE P /661r8 Submission July 2009 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Stellar SwitchesSlide 10 Miscellaneous Announcements Warning: Do not leave your laptops unattended! –The meeting is not responsible for your unwatched stuff. Wear your badge at all times in the meeting area! Individual membership –In all IEEE standards meetings, membership is by individual, hence you do not represent a company or organization. Photographs and Recordings –No sound recordings are permitted at WG or TG meetings. –No photographs allowed without WG Chair permission. Media – Press and Analyst briefings –Only the /.15/.18/.19/.22 WG Chair and WG Vice-Chairs are allowed to give verbal statements/interviews to the media on behalf of their respective IEEE working group.

doc.: IEEE P /661r8 Submission TGs Chair Needed July 2009 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Stellar SwitchesSlide 11

doc.: IEEE P /661r8 Submission July 2009 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Stellar SwitchesSlide 12 Important Stuff Note the links from the items in red in the left column of all pages of the Working Group meeting agenda. –Affiliation Frequently Asked Questions: –Anti-Trust: –IEEE Ethics: –Letter of Assurance Form: –IEEE Patent Committee: –IEEE Patent Policy: –Patent FAQ:

doc.: IEEE P /661r8 Submission July 2009 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Stellar SwitchesSlide 13 Participants, Patents, and Duty to Inform All participants in this meeting have certain obligations under the IEEE-SA Patent Policy. Participants: –“Shall inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed)” of the identity of each “holder of any potential Essential Patent Claims of which they are personally aware” if the claims are owned or controlled by the participant or the entity the participant is from, employed by, or otherwise represents “Personal awareness” means that the participant “is personally aware that the holder may have a potential Essential Patent Claim,” even if the participant is not personally aware of the specific patents or patent claims –“Should inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed)” of the identity of “any other holders of such potential Essential Patent Claims” (that is, third parties that are not affiliated with the participant, with the participant’s employer, or with anyone else that the participant is from or otherwise represents) –The above does not apply if the patent claim is already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance that applies to the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group Quoted text excerpted from IEEE-SA Standards Board Bylaws subclause 6.2 Early identification of holders of potential Essential Patent Claims is strongly encouraged No duty to perform a patent search

doc.: IEEE P /661r8 Submission July 2009 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Stellar SwitchesSlide 14 Patent Related Links All participants should be familiar with their obligations under the IEEE-SA Policies & Procedures for standards development. Patent Policy is stated in these sources: IEEE-SA Standards Boards Bylaws IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual Material about the patent policy is available at If you have questions, contact the IEEE-SA Standards Board Patent Committee Administrator at or visit This slide set is available at

doc.: IEEE P /661r8 Submission July 2009 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Stellar SwitchesSlide 15 Call for Potentially Essential Patents If anyone in this meeting is personally aware of the holder of any patent claims that are potentially essential to implementation of the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group and that are not already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance: –Either speak up now or –Provide the chair of this group with the identity of the holder(s) of any and all such claims as soon as possible or –Cause an LOA to be submitted

doc.: IEEE P /661r8 Submission July 2009 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Stellar SwitchesSlide 16 Other Guidelines for IEEE WG Meetings All IEEE-SA standards meetings shall be conducted in compliance with all applicable laws, including antitrust and competition laws. –Don’t discuss the interpretation, validity, or essentiality of patents/patent claims. –Don’t discuss specific license rates, terms, or conditions. Relative costs, including licensing costs of essential patent claims, of different technical approaches may be discussed in standards development meetings. –Technical considerations remain primary focus –Don’t discuss or engage in the fixing of product prices, allocation of customers, or division of sales markets. –Don’t discuss the status or substance of ongoing or threatened litigation. –Don’t be silent if inappropriate topics are discussed … do formally object See IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual, clause and “Promoting Competition and Innovation: What You Need to Know about the IEEE Standards Association's Antitrust and Competition Policy” for more details.

doc.: IEEE P /661r8 Submission July 2009 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Stellar SwitchesSlide 17 Tuesday, 14 July :00 – 10:00 (Pacific Concourse M) Approval of Minutes (continued) –Teleconference minutes: May 27, 11-09/665r0, June 24, 11-09/701r0, July 8, 11-09/737r0 Approved unanimously –Monday morning ad hoc minutes: 11-09/800r0 Approved unanimously Status of TGs Draft 3.02 and Comment Resolutions –“Resolution of comments from Letter Ballot 147”, 11-09/471r10 –11-09/664r0, Kazuyuki Sakoda (presented by the Chair) Discussion and Votes re Process / ad hocs / teleconferences – “TGs Process, July”, 11-09/811r0

doc.: IEEE P /661r8 Submission July 2009 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Stellar SwitchesSlide 18 Tuesday, 14 July :00 – 10:00 (Pacific Concourse M) Moved, That the IEEE Working Group requests that IEEE make s Draft D3.02 available for public purchase. –Mover: Javier Cardona Seconder: Guido Hiertz –Yes: 8 No: 3 Abstain: 3 (Passes, Procedural) “MCF Issues”, Liwen Chu (STMicroelectronics), /0562r2 “TGs LB 147 Submission for Resolutions of Comments Related to HWMP PERR Element”, Harish Ramamurthy (Marvell), 11-09/791r0

doc.: IEEE P /661r8 Submission July 2009 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Stellar SwitchesSlide 19 Tuesday, 14 July :00 – 10:00 (Pacific Concourse M) “Resolutions of the Remaining Power Management Comments”, Jarkko Kneckt (Nokia), 11-09/742r0 –It was suggested to have a straw poll between options 1 and 2 on slide 12 but, after discussion, it was clear that there were several people in favor of option 2 and no one was in favor of option 1. –(There was insufficient time to complete the above presentation and it was agreed to continue it at the PM1 session.) Recess until 13:30

doc.: IEEE P /661r8 Submission July 2009 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Stellar SwitchesSlide 20 Tuesday, 14 July :30 – 15:30 (Pacific Concourse M) Call Meeting to Order IPR and Attendance Recording Reminder (continued) “Resolutions of the Remaining Power Management Comments”, Jarkko Kneckt (Nokia), /742r0 Security Presentations –“TGs Authenticated Encryption Function”, John Petro (Envieta), 11-09/770r0 Straw Poll: Should TGs stick with SIV or investigate replacing it with CCM? SIV: 10 CCM: 10 Abstain: 6

doc.: IEEE P /661r8 Submission July 2009 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Stellar SwitchesSlide 21 Tuesday, 14 July :30 – 15:30 (Pacific Concourse M) Security Presentations (continued) “Resolving SAE Comments”, Dan Harkins (Aruba), 11-09/754r0 Comment Resolution and improvement of the Draft –Moved, to adopt the comment comment resolutions in submission 11-09/829r0 with Column X equal to “TGs-0713” or “MAC- 7/12/2009” except CID 180. Mover: Dee Denteneer Seconder: Liwen Chu Yes: 8 No: 0 Abstain: 9 (passes > ¾) “Update Mesh Peering Protocols”, Meiyuan Zhao (Intel), 11-09/813r1 Recess until 19:30

doc.: IEEE P /661r8 Submission July 2009 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Stellar SwitchesSlide 22 Tuesday, 14 July :30 – 21:30 (Pacific Concourse M) Call Meeting to Order IPR and Attendance Recording Reminder The Chair announced that the motion passed during the AM1 session today to ask IEEE to make s D3.02 available for sale was invalid. Only specific draft that actually got 75% approval can be sold. For s, that would be D3.0.

doc.: IEEE P /661r8 Submission July 2009 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Stellar SwitchesSlide 23 Tuesday, 14 July :30 – 21:30 (Pacific Concourse M) Moved, To adopt the comment resolutions in /742r0, excluding CID 343, with “11-09/672r2” replaced by “11-09/617r2”. –Mover: Dee Denteneer Seconder: Guido Hiertz –Yes: 6 No: 0 Abstain: 3 (passes > ¾) “Mesh Compatible MLME.join & start”, Jarkko Kneckt, 11-09/820r1 Dee Denteneer announced that he had uploaded /837r1 and requests feedback.

doc.: IEEE P /661r8 Submission July 2009 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Stellar SwitchesSlide 24 Tuesday, 14 July :30 – 21:30 (Pacific Concourse M) Subgroup interest straw poll: –Security: 3 RFI: 1 MAC: 4 General: 0 Divide into subgroups: –MAC coordinated by Guido Hiertz –Security coordinated by Meiyuan Zhao TGs was called back together. Recess until 13:30 Wednesday

doc.: IEEE P /661r8 Submission Pending Presentations “TGs LB 147 Submission for Resolutions of Comments Related to HWMP PERR Element”, Harish Ramamurthy (Marvell), /791r2 July 2009 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Stellar SwitchesSlide 25

doc.: IEEE P /661r8 Submission July 2009 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Stellar SwitchesSlide 26 Wednesday, 15 July :30 – 15:30 (Pacific Concourse H) Call Meeting to Order IPR and Attendance Recording Reminder Comment Resolution and improvement of the Draft Recess until 16:00

doc.: IEEE P /661r8 Submission July 2009 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Stellar SwitchesSlide 27 Wednesday, 15 July :00 – 18:00 (Pacific Concourse H) Call Meeting to Order IPR and Attendance Recording Reminder Comment Resolution and improvement of the Draft Recess until 10:30 Thursday

doc.: IEEE P /661r8 Submission July 2009 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Stellar SwitchesSlide 28 Thursday, 16 July :30 – 12:30 (Pacific Concourse I) Call Meeting to Order IPR and Attendance Recording Reminder Comment Resolution and improvement of the Draft Recess until 16:00

doc.: IEEE P /661r8 Submission July 2009 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Stellar SwitchesSlide 29 Thursday, 16 July :00 – 18:00 (Pacific Concourse I) Call Meeting to Order IPR and Attendance Recording Reminder Discussion and Votes re Process / ad hocs / teleconferences – “TGs Process, July”, 11-09/811r1 Motion: To direct the Editor to produce one or more revisions of the Draft so as to incorporate all changes and comment resolutions adopted before the end of this session. Adjourn sine die TGs Motto: Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing left to add but when there is nothing left to take away.

doc.: IEEE P /661r8 Submission July 2009 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Stellar SwitchesSlide 30 [Reference Information] Updated PAR at –Original PAR for IEEE ESS Mesh: 11-04/54r2. Original Five Criteria for IEEE ESS Mesh: 11-04/56r1. Comment Resolution Spreadsheet: –11-09/471r10: Resolution of Letter Ballot #147 Comments TGs Technical Editors: –Kazuyuki Sakoda (Sony), Draft 2.03…D3.0… –Anthony Maida (3eTI), Drafts 2.01 and D2.02 –Avinash Joshi (Motorola), Drafts 1.09 through D2.0 –W. Steven Conner (Intel). Drafts 0.01 through D1.08 (also chair of the first Mesh Study Group Session)

doc.: IEEE P /661r8 Submission July 2009 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Stellar SwitchesSlide 31 [Earlier Meeting Minutes] Task Group “s” Meeting Minutes –May 2009, Montreal, Quebec, 11-09/595r0 –March 2009, Vancouver, British Columbia, 11-09/312r0 –January 2009, Los Angeles, California, 11-09/110r0 –November 2008, Dallas, Texas, 11-08/1431r0 –September 2008, Waikoloa, Hawaii, 11-08/1078r0 September 2008, ad hoc Meeting, Līhu‘e, Kaua‘i, Hawai‘i, 11-08/1038r0 –July 2008, Denver, Colorado, 11-08/835r0 –May 2008, Jacksonville, Florida, 11-08/580r2 May 2008, ad hoc Meeting, Santa Clara, California, 11-08/539r0 –March 2008, Orlando, Florida, 11-08/424r0 –January 2008, Taipei, Taiwan, 11-08/170r2 –November 2007, Atlanta, Georgia, 11-07/2826r1 Recent Teleconference Minutes May 6, 11-09/521r0