Costing Workshop Summary Chris Rogers, RAL, 30 Mar 2010 Establish a common framework for costing of neutrino facilities Compare Beta Beam, Super beam and.

Slides:



Advertisements
Similar presentations
Report to JMPB Topics: Progress Hall Clearance Programme Hall Layout Beam Line RF Power System MICE Management Structure Common Funds 14 th October 2003.
Advertisements

EuroNu CERN February 5, 2008 Marco Zito Super-Beam work package Marco Zito Dapnia-Saclay On behalf of the SB w2 team EuroNu 5/2/2008 Thanks to M. Dracos.
The US 5 Year Muon Acceleration R&D Program To Boldly Go… MICE Collaboration Meeting Harbin January, 2009.
After ISS Where Do We Go From Here?. 21 August 2006P Dornan - After ISS2 Next - until the end of 2006  Produce the ISS Report - with the present team.
Project Management Workshop. Nick Cook  Citigroup Corporate and Investment Bank  European Technology Business Office Manager Edinburgh University April.
25/10/2007M. Dracos1 EURO The European Design Study for a high intensity neutrino oscillation facility (Rob Edgecock, Mats Lindroos, Marcos Dracos)
Costing the Target Ajit Kurup May 17, Page 2 Costing the Target Ajit Kurup Costing of the target for the RDR needs to be done using the CERN costing.
Costing Meeting Ajit Kurup 13 th June Page 2 Costing Meeting 13 th June 2011 Ajit Kurup Summary of CERN costing workshop. Proposed Level 3 breakdown.
A Possible Strategy Towards a Future Lepton Collider Tor Raubenheimer SLUO Annual Meeting September 17, 2009.
UK Costs Beam & Infrastructure Coils Tracking Detector.
Ajit Kurup, Imperial College London. Neil Bliss, Norbert Collomb, Alan Grant, STFC/DL, Daresbury. Costing Methodology and Status of the Neutrino Factory.
UKNF OsC RAL – 21 & 22 June 2010 UKNF achievements & milestones J. Pozimski.
WP5: Detector Performance and Cost EuroNu Launch Meeting 5 February 2008 Coordinator: Paul Soler, University of Glasgow Deputy: Anselmo Cervera Villanueva,
Global Design Effort - CFS CLIC 09 Workshop - WG 5 Technical Systems 1 CLIC 09 WORKSHOP Working Group 5 - Technical Systems ILC REBASELINE ILC.
ISS After One Year Peter Dornan Imperial College London.
European design study on Neutrinofacilities - Euronu within FP7.
J. G. Weisend II Deputy Head of Accelerator Projects April 2, 2014 Actions at ACCSYS Resulting from the Recommendations of the Annual Review.
WP2 Superbeam Work Breakdown Structure Version 2 Chris Densham (after Marco Zito version 1 )
Proton Driver at Fermilab Keith Gollwitzer Accelerator Division Fermilab IDS-NF 7 th Plenary Meeting Oct 17-19,2011.
International Linear Collider The ILC is the worldwide consensus for the next major new facility. One year ago, the choice was made between the two alternate.
Status Update Outline  General remarks - reminder  Progress since last Annual Meeting – June 2010  Next steps - timeline EUROnu Costing Ilias Efthymiopoulos.
Proton Plan PMG 2/22/06 E Prebys 1 Some Disclaimers I’ll be 100% honest These are my personal opinions  Pretty much in line with conversations I’ve had.
UKNF OsC RAL – 31 st January 2011 UKNF - Status, high lights, plans J. Pozimski.
CLIC Implementation Studies Ph. Lebrun & J. Osborne CERN CLIC Collaboration Meeting addressing the Work Packages CERN, 3-4 November 2011.
WP5: Detector Performance and Cost EuroNu Meeting CERN, 26 March 2009 Paul Soler Coordinator: Paul Soler, University of Glasgow Deputy: Anselmo Cervera.
CLIC cost estimate Hans-H. Braun, CLIC-GDE meeting, February 8, 2008  Cost model goals  Methodology  Cost distribution  Future improvements.
Global Design Effort - CFS ILC Accelerator Design and Integration Meeting 1 ILC AD&I MEETING CONVENTIONAL FACILITIES AND SITING GROUP UPDATE V.
R.G. 7/09/20101 Options for neutrinos. R.G. 7/09/20102 Conventional beam from the SPS (1/3) Neutrinos using the SPS Nominal CNGS 732 km baseline from.
J. Pasternak First Ideas on the Design of the Beam Transport and the Final Focus for the NF Target J. Pasternak, Imperial College London / RAL STFC ,
WG3 – Part 3 - Design Studies Introduction Introduction View from Europe - RE View from Europe - RE “ “ Japan- Yoshi Kuno “ “ Japan- Yoshi Kuno “ “ US-
1 Target Station Design Dan Wilcox High Power Targets Group, Rutherford Appleton Laboratory EuroNu Annual Meeting 2012.
EUROn Safety 13/06/2012M. Dracos1. Safety workshop 13/06/2012M. Dracos2 A first two days safety workshop has been organized at CERN last May (
Physics and Performance Evaluation Group NuFact 07 Okayama University, Japan August 6, 2007 Walter Winter Universität Würzburg for the executive committee:
27 Apr 2006P J Dornan - ISS3 - RAL Next Meeting 4 th ISS Plenary –Irvine Aug21, 22 (NUFACT06 Aug 24 – 30) Workshops –Physics Group, June, Valencia –Machine.
1 Target Station Design for Neutrino Superbeams Dan Wilcox High Power Targets Group, Rutherford Appleton Laboratory NBI 2012, CERN.
Global Design Effort - CFS Damping Ring Baseline Technical Review 1 DAMPING RING BASELINE TECHNICAL REVIEW CONVENTIONAL FACILITIES AND SITING.
1 Global Design Effort: Controls & LLRF Controls & LLRF Working Group: Tuesday Session (29 May 07) John Carwardine Kay Rehlich.
Alain Blondel -- After the ISS -- What did ISS achieve? 1. Established a « baseline » for the accelerator study 2. Rejuvenated simulation and study of.
IDS-NF Accelerator Baseline The Neutrino Factory [1, 2] based on the muon storage ring will be a precision tool to study the neutrino oscillations.It may.
International Design Study for a Neutrino Factory in the 5 Year Plan A. Bross NFMCC CM January 15, A. Bross NFMCC CM January 15, 2009.
Muon Collider R&D Plans & New Initiative 1.Introduction 2.Muon Collider Schematic 3.Conceptual Breakthrough 4.Ongoing R&D 5.Muon Collider Task Force 6.Muon.
Status and Plans for EUROnu FP7 Design Study Status and Plans for EUROnu FP7 Design Study EUROnu = A High Intensity Neutrino Oscillation Facility in Europe.
News Y2K June 25, Summary of June 12 Face-to-Face Meeting.
Status of facility design Activities of the IPNS Nuclear/Particle Physics group Basic information for the working sessions Activities of Nuclear and Particle.
EUROnu Costing Workshop May 2011 Beta-Beam Costing Exercise Elena Wildner, CERN 25/05/11 1 EUROnu Costing Workshop, CERN May 2011.
CLIC - CDR Status (Volume 2) Hermann Schmickler, ILCW2010.
H. Haseroth Friday, August 31, 2001 MUG Meeting 1 Overview of the CERN Neutrino Factory Machine Studies H. Haseroth for the Neutrino Factory Working Group.
ILC 2007 Global Design Effort 1 Planning Damping Rings Activities in the Engineering Design Phase Andy Wolski Cockcroft Institute/University of Liverpool.
EU accelerator contributions to the IDS … R. Garoby ISS meeting RAL 28/04/2006.
Proton-Driven Plasma Wakefield Acceleration CERN Project Structure Edda Gschwendtner, CERN Lisbon Meeting, 22 June 2012Edda Gschwendtner, CERN2.
EURO EURO A High Intensity Neutrino Oscillation Facility in Europe Introduction Aims Structure Tasks Link to other activities Future dates.
WP3: The Neutrino Factory Costing Status Ajit Kurup CERN Costing Workshop 8 th December 2011.
A CCELERATOR S ESSIONS S UMMARY D AVE W ARK, I LIAS E FTHYMIOPOULOS Neutrino Strategy Workshop CERN, October 3, 2009 Outline  Show highlights from the.
J. G. Weisend II for the ESS Team Energy Efficiency & Recovery at ESS.
IDR Costing Exercise My presentation today  Some general remarks  What needs to be done for the IDR costing?  What we can realistically expect for the.
Workshop summary Outline  Workshop’s aims  Highlights from the presentations (my selection!)  Costing Exercise – What we learnt  Summary - Roadmap.
K. Long, 25 June, 2016 IDR: structure and overall timeline: Slides are to introduce discussion of how we prepare IDR. Propose to revise slides as we discuss.
EUROnu Review: 14 th April 2011 EUROnu Introduction and Objectives Neutrino oscillations: much interest since 1 st paper in extension required to.
CARESG, 11Apr2006V. Palladino Report on BENE Activities Beams for European Neutrino Experiments (BENE) subtitle: A Network aiming at a consensual road.
EUROnu Review: 14 th April 2011 Summary of WP3 J. Pozimski.
Final Discussion THE EUROPEAN STRATEGY FOR FUTURE NEUTRINO PHYSICS
Accelerator R&D for Future Neutrino Projects
Alain Blondel 11 October 2010 GDR NEU2012 summary
The Way Forward ISS to IDS
European Detector R&D: AIDA
Outline: Why now ? What ? How ?
Accelerator R&D for Future Neutrino Projects
A High Intensity Neutrino Oscillation Facility in Europe
A High Intensity Neutrino Oscillation Facility in Europe
Presentation transcript:

Costing Workshop Summary Chris Rogers, RAL, 30 Mar 2010 Establish a common framework for costing of neutrino facilities Compare Beta Beam, Super beam and Neutrino Factory on an equal footing In context of EuroNu – EU “funded” neutrino facility study Well attended by European Neutrino facility community 30 registrants, mostly work package managers etc (But all projects have more managers than workers it seems) Discussion: How is project costing done in general What goes in the costing – and what is excluded Practicalities – which site, which currency, etc Who has responsibility for which bit (e.g. detectors, proton driver) Costing Tools Case Studies/EuroNu cost status Some things loosely decided, TBD by costing subcommittee First iteration – another workshop in November/December Disclaimer: my own personal view

Project Costing in General Basic approach: Split project into portions (Project Breakdown Structure) and cost portions based on parameter fit to historical data Iterate at successively higher levels of detail until you run out of time or you are getting quotes from manufacturers E.g. for a house, First costing based on number of floors, area, ground conditions Second costing based on cost of each bathroom, kitchen, etc And so on For comparison with historical data Use scale factor for relative costs between different countries Currencies and economic factors (plumbers in UK are expensive) Use scale factor for different years Inflation and economic factors Published tables e.g. costdataonline.com I expect we can't make a useful costing unless we at least break down to level of individual magnets, cavities, power supplies

More on Project Costing Need to enumerate risks Expensive, high-risk items are bad Include cheapest solution as baseline If risk mitigation is needed, include it as a (costed) alternative Cite sources for costings Cost at in Include non-financial criteria Location, eco-impact, etc

Practicalities Discussed site independent cost with site-dependent terms added Sounds difficult/impossible Suggestion of study at CERN (EuroNu context) Do we do a study for CERN and a study for e.g. Fermilab? We need to put everything in tunnels Is this necessary anyway? Muons loose about 0.5 GeV/m in concrete, => 5 GeV muons need about 10 m shielding Depending on pessimism of safety guys Relies on engineering, civil engineering support from CERN Presumably costs in Euros or Swiss Francs (TBD) R&D to be costed but not included in the final total Include maintenance, operation, dismantling Manpower estimate included as FTE

Division of work Interface between overlapping work packages not entirely clear Most Work Packages are not shown! EuroNu Detectors Superbeam Betabeam NF Proton Driver PD Accumulator Horn Target NF-Specific Detectors NF Target Level 0 Level 1

Costing Tool Costing tool to handle some bureaucracy I couldn’t find a URL – so haven’t looked at it directly Actively supported by CERN And they have promised to support us also Used for CLIC – they are keen for more users About 1-2 years old Keeps a list of Project Breakdown Structure Version control Handles currency conversion, Economic factors conversion, etc Various reporting tools Export to excel, etc It does not tell you the cost of an RF cavity, magnet, etc AFAIK

Costing Tool

Case Studies Summary of case studies Needs contribution from hardware experts involved in design Takes significant resources Needs quite a bit of detail Determine tunnel layout => determine tunnel size => CE cost Speaking qualitatively NuFact is most organised, most advanced Technical solutions, lattice design + R&D programmes in place But NuFact has most accelerator subsystems, most work NuFact costing aim: Capital cost, staff effort, timescale Uncertainty, risk analysis Present, and prepare, cost for different funding agencies, etc Level 2Level 3

E.g. CLIC A E. Jensen