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Status report about the work of the task force on gearshift issues WLTP-15-xxx Cycle / gearshifting Status report about the work of the task force on gearshift issues Heinz Steven 30.05.2016 1

Web-telco at 24.05.2016 The gearshift issues task force had a kick-off web-telco at 24.05.2016 with the following agenda: Short report about the cycle / gear shifting issues discussed at WLTP IWG #14 in Paris by the GSTF chairman, Necessary corrections of the text in annex 2 of GTR #15 (latest version), Carry over from phase 1b: Improved definition of n_min_drive, Driveability problems at the low speed end of the wot power curve, Gear specific wot power curves. 2

Web-telco at 24.05.2016 The following documents were sent out together with the invitation and the agenda of this meeting: WLTP-14-05e-Status cycle gearshifting_Steven.pptx WLTP-GS-TF-31_n_min_drive_18082015m.pptx The first document contains the presentation made at WLTP IWG #14 in Paris. The second document summarises the discussion on n_min_drive during phase 1b. The convenor informed the task force members that this telco represents the kick-off meeting for phase 2 and that it should aim at the information of the group about the work to be done during phase 2. 3

Improvement/amendment of text for annex 2 The convenor informed the group about the necessary amendments for annex 2 of GTR #15 related to the definition of nmax, the definition of an acceleration and a deceleration phase, the change in the rank order of the indents of the additional requirements in paragraph 4 of annex 2 and more specific text in indent old (c) new (d) as well as in old (e) new (f). 4

Driveability problems at low engine speeds The convenor reported that one OEM found driveability problems during the WLTP tests of a specific vehicle related to the low engine speed range, where the wot power increases rapidly with increasing engine speed. Accelerations starting at engine speeds in the red part result in poor repeatability. The group agreed that this problem could be solved by an increase of the safety margin in this speed range. An engine speed dependent safety margin decreasing with increasing engine speed was proposed as possible solution, but the group agreed, that one would need more assessment time in order to find a sound solution. 5

Gear specific wot power curves One OEM reported, that there might be vehicles in future, that have gear specific wot power curves. This is not covered by GTR #15. In principle, this problem can be solved but makes things much more complex and complicated. There was no common sense in the group regarding this item and the members asked for more time to get a clearer picture. One member of the group mentioned, that gear specific wot power curves would imply, that ECE R 85 would need to be amended as well. 6

Definition of n_min_drive The convenor mentioned, that according to the Excel sheet “WLTP Phase 2, working items and schedule “n_min_drive” is listed as carry over item from phase 1b. It is further expressed in this document, that the work should be continued based on the latest VCC proposal. The convenor reminded the group, that one would need new ideas for a solution, if the latest compromise proposal from phase 1b could not be accepted. The Japanese colleagues clearly stated, that Japan could only accept this proposal as an option in addition to the current definition of n_min_drive. 7

AOB Christoph Lueginger raised the question, whether the determination of the n/v ratios should be specified in the GTR and whether tolerances should be applied to and defined for the n/v ratios. These ratios are needed as input data for the gear use calculation. In this context he mentioned, that the determination could be based on calculations using the transmission ratios and the dynamic tyre radius. He proposed, that the dynamic tyre radius should be calculated using the ETRTO formula. He promised to provide this formula prior to the next meeting. The group agreed to add this item to the to do list. 8

New group members, next meeting The convenor was asked to add the following persons to the member list of the GSTF: Biagio Ciuffo (JRC), Daniel Hartmann (Audi), replacing Annette Feucht, Jelica Pavlovic (JRC), Panagiota Dilara (EU Commission, DG Growth). Next meeting: It was announced by the convenor that the next meeting date shall be scheduled shortly after WLTP IWG #15 and that he will prepare a DOODLE query right after IWG #15. 9

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