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November 2007 Mesh Meeting Agenda
doc.: IEEE P /2630r7 November 2007 November 2007 Mesh Meeting Agenda Date: Authors: Name Address Affiliations Phone Donald Eastlake 3rd 111 Locke Drive, Marlborough, MA USA Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola
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IEEE 802.11s: Mesh Networking Task Group
November 2007 doc.: IEEE P /2630r7 November 2007 IEEE s: Mesh Networking Task Group TGs Motto: Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing left to add but when there is nothing left to take away. Atlanta, Georgia 12-15 November, 2007 Chair: Donald E. Eastlake 3rd., Motorola Technical Editor: vacant Secretary: Stephen Rayment, BelAir Networks Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola
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doc.: IEEE P802.11-07/2630r7 Hyatt Regency, Atlanta, Georgia
November 2007 doc.: IEEE P /2630r7 November 2007 Venue Hyatt Regency, Atlanta, Georgia Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola
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General Flow of the TGs Meeting
November 2007 General Flow of the TGs Meeting Monday Ad Hoc meeting Administrivia and Status TGs Process Presentation Resolution of Comments, Improvement of the Draft Tuesday Wednesday Security Presentations Thursday TGs Process Discussion Go to Letter Ballot? Teleconferences/Ad-Hoc Meetings Discussion and Votes Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola
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Monday, 12 November 2007 8:00-9:30, Dunwoody Room
doc.: IEEE P /2630r7 November 2007 Monday, 12 November :00-9:30, Dunwoody Room Call ad hoc meeting to Order Manual Attendance Recording Selection of Secretary for ad hoc meeting: Jan Kruys Review of IEEE 802 and Policies and Procedures on Intellectual Property, Affiliation, Inappropriate Topics, Etc. Miscellaneous Announcements Ad Hoc Agenda approved Status of TGs Draft and Letter Ballot Draft D1.07 “Resolution of comments received during IEEE Letter Ballot 93”, 11-07/23r50 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola
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Monday, 12 November 2007 8:00-9:30, Dunwoody Room
doc.: IEEE P /2630r7 November 2007 Monday, 12 November :00-9:30, Dunwoody Room Technical Editor: no candidates Straw poll as to who was interested in working on comment resolution in which area: General – 1, Security – 5, MAC – 7, RFI – 3 Divide into three subgroups for ad hoc comment resolution with coordinators as follows Security – Jesse Walker MAC – Michelle Gong RFI – Guenael Strutt Recombined Adjourn ad hoc meeting Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola
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Monday, 12 November 2007 16:00-18:00, Dunwoody Room
doc.: IEEE P /2630r7 November 2007 Monday, 12 November :00-18:00, Dunwoody Room Call meeting to Order Automated Attendance Recording Review of IEEE 802 and Policies and Procedures on Intellectual Property, Affiliation, Inappropriate Topics, Etc. Miscellaneous Announcements Agenda Approved (unanimous) Minutes Approved (all unanimous): September 2007 (Waikoloa) Meeting Minutes, 11-07/2495r0 12 November 2007 Ad Hoc Meeting Minutes, 11-07/2806r1 Teleconference Minutes 26 September 2007, 11-07/2617r0 10, 17, 24, 31 October 2007, 11-07/2638r0, 11-07/2650r0, 11-07/2666r0, 11-7/2698r0 (minutes for 7 November not on server, approval postponed) Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola
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November 2007 Important Stuff Note the links from the items in red in the left column of all pages of the Working Group meeting agenda. Affiliation Frequently Asked Questions: Anti-Trust: IEEE Ethics: Letter of Assurance Form: IEEE Patent Committee: IEEE Patent Policy: Patent FAQ: Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola
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Miscellaneous Announcements
November 2007 Miscellaneous Announcements Warning: Do not leave your laptops unattended! The meeting is not responsible for your unwatched stuff. Wear your badge at all times in the meeting area! Individual membership In all IEEE standards meetings, membership is by individual, hence you do not represent a company or organization. Photographs and Recordings No sound recordings are permitted at WG or TG meetings. No photographs allowed without WG Chair permission. Media – Press and Analyst briefings Only the /.15/.18/.19/.22 WG Chair and WG Vice-Chairs are allowed to give verbal statements/interviews to the media on behalf of their respective IEEE working groups Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola
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November 2007 doc.: IEEE P /2630r7 November 2007 Affiliation It is defined in the IEEE-SA Standards Board Bylaws, as: “An individual is deemed “affiliated” with any individual or entity that has been, or will be, financially or materially supporting that individual’s participation in a particular IEEE standards activity. This includes, but is not limited to, his or her employer and any individual or entity that has or will have, either directly or indirectly, requested, paid for, or otherwise sponsored his or her participation. Revision: Feb 2006 Standards Board Bylaw Openness is defined as the quality of being not restricted to a particular type or category of participants. All meetings involving standards development an all IEEE Sponsor ballots shall be open to all interested parties. Each individual participant in IEEE Standards activities shall disclose his or her affiliations when requested. A person who knows or reasonably should know, that a participant’s disclosure is materially incomplete or incorrect should report that fact to the Secretary of the IEEE-SA Standards Board and the appropriate Sponsors. Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola
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November 2007 doc.: IEEE P /2630r7 November 2007 Affiliation Policy Requirement to declare affiliation at all standards development meetings and recorded in the minutes Affiliation not necessarily same as employer Declaration requirement may be familiar to some 802 WGs, though WG declaration process may evolve 11. What if I refuse to disclose my affiliation? As outlined in IEEE-SA governance documents, you will lose certain rights. In a working group where voting rights are gained through attendance, no attendance credit will be granted if affiliation isn’t declared. Similarly, voting rights are to be removed if affiliation isn’t declared. Affiliation declaration will be added to Sponsor ballot Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola
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Automated Attendance Recording
November 2007 doc.: IEEE P /2630r7 November 2007 Automated Attendance Recording Go to (Documents: or or just Create a profile Claim attendance credit for each session. Only “create a profile” and “claim credit” for yourself, do NOT “sign-in” for others. You have to log in every session! Do NOT use 802wirelessworld for anything! Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola
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Monday, 12 November 2007 16:00-18:00, Dunwoody Room
doc.: IEEE P /2630r7 November 2007 Monday, 12 November :00-18:00, Dunwoody Room Status of TGs Draft and Letter Ballot Draft D1.07 “Resolution of comments received during IEEE Letter Ballot 93”, 11-07/23r50 Technical Editor discussion Presentation and Discussion on Process “TGs Process, November”, Donald Eastlake 3rd, 11-07/2812r1 “Broadcast MDA”, Alexander Safonov (IITP), Yongho Seok (LG Electronics), 11-07/2575r2. Straw Poll: Should a vote on this be scheduled for tomorrow moring? Yes: 8 No: 1 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola
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Monday, 12 November 2007 16:00-18:00, Dunwoody Room
doc.: IEEE P /2630r7 November 2007 Monday, 12 November :00-18:00, Dunwoody Room “High Throughput Mesh”, Alexander Safonov (IITP), Yongho Seok (LG Electronics), 11-07/2700r0. Straw Poll: Should a vote on this be scheduled for tomorrow morning? Yes: 29 No: 0 “Suggested PICS Proforma Table Additions”, Kazuyuki Sakoda (Sony), 11-07/1991r2. Unanimous consent to schedule vote for tomorrow. “Power efficient and unified s solution”, Jarkko Knecht (Nokia), 11-07/2646r1. “Mesh Power Save”, Jarkko Knecht (Nokia), 11-07/2717r1. After both of the presentations immediately above, there was substantial discussion and it was suggested there should be further discussion of updated submissions later in the week. Recess until 8:00 Tuesday Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola
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Tuesday, 13 November 2007 8:00-10:00, Dunwoody Room
doc.: IEEE P /2630r7 November 2007 Tuesday, 13 November :00-10:00, Dunwoody Room Call Meeting to Order IPR and Attendance Recording Reminder Minutes approved by unanimous consent: 7 November 2007 Teleconference, 11-07/2804r0 “Analyzing the Beacon Collision Probability in Mesh Networks”, Michelle Gong (Intel), 11-07/2813r1. Straw poll: Do you think beacon collision is a serious problem that we need to address? Yes: 22 No: 3 Abstain: 11 Straw poll: Do you think 11s should reuse the existing beacon frame type or define a new action frame to replace the beacon? Reuse the existing beacon frame type: 12 Define a new action frame type: 1 Don’t know / care: 18 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola
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Tuesday, 13 November 2007 8:00-10:00, Dunwoody Room
doc.: IEEE P /2630r7 November 2007 Tuesday, 13 November :00-10:00, Dunwoody Room Moved, to adopt the normative text in document s-normative-text-for-broadcast-mda.doc, resolving CID 494 with “Counter”, and direct the Editor to incorporate it into the TGs draft. Moved: Alexander Safonov Seconded: Yongho Seok Amended to r1 and postponed to tomorrow by unanimous consent. Moved, to adopt normative text in document s-normative-text-for-high-throughput-mesh.doc, changing the resolution of CIDs 235, 4206, and 4228 from “Reject” to “Accept” and CIDs 1935 and 3745 from “Reject” to “Counter” , and direct the Editor to incorporate it into the TGs draft. Deferred until tomorrow by unanimous consent (text is expected to be updated). Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola
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Tuesday, 13 November 2007 8:00-10:00, Dunwoody Room
doc.: IEEE P /2630r7 November 2007 Tuesday, 13 November :00-10:00, Dunwoody Room Moved, to adopt the normative text in document 11-07/1991r2 (with all tracked changes accepted) resolving CIDs as listed below, and direct the Editor to incorporate it into the TGs draft. Close with Accept CIDs: 51, 657, 789, 996, 1217, 1218, 1876, 1896, 1905, 2020, 2108, 2182, 3448, 3493, 3498, 4133, 4686, and 5606 Close with Counter CIDs: 3412 and 4251 Moved: Kazuyuki Sakoda Seconded: Dee Denteneer Yes: 19 No: 0 Abstain: 9 (passes >3/4) Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola
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Tuesday, 13 November 2007 8:00-10:00, Dunwoody Room
doc.: IEEE P /2630r7 November 2007 Tuesday, 13 November :00-10:00, Dunwoody Room “MAC QoS”, Mathilde Benveniste (Avaya), 11-07/2814r0. “Common TSF Issues”, Zhen Xie (Atheros), 11-07/2518r3. Recess until 8:00 Wednesday Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola
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Wednesday, 14 November 2007 8:00-10:00, Dunwoody Room
doc.: IEEE P /2630r7 November 2007 Wednesday, 14 November :00-10:00, Dunwoody Room Call Meeting to Order IPR and Attendance Recording Reminder “Proposed resolution to some security comments”, Meiyuan Zhao (Intel), 11-07/2838r0. Motion scheduled for this afternoon. “Minor text updates for Abbreviated Handshake”, Meiyuan Zhao (Intel), 11-07/2816r0. Adopted by unanimous consent. “A More Efficient KDF”, Dan Harkins (Aruba), 11-07/2855r0. Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola
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Wednesday, 14 November 2007 8:00-10:00, Dunwoody Room
doc.: IEEE P /2630r7 November 2007 Wednesday, 14 November :00-10:00, Dunwoody Room “PMKID List updates for MSA Authentication”, Tony Braskich (Motorola), 11-07/2648r0. Moved, to adopt normative text in document s-pmkid-list-updates-for-msa-authentication.doc resolving CID 4761 and direct the Editor to incorporate it into the TGs draft. Moved: Tony Braskich Seconded: Jesse Walker Adopted by unanimous consent. “Key Hierarchy Nonce Updates”, Tony Braskich (Motorola), 11-07/2649r1. “GTK Clarification for Mesh Access Points”, Tony Braskich (Motorola), 11-07/2865r0. Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola
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Wednesday, 14 November 2007 8:00-10:00, Dunwoody Room
doc.: IEEE P /2630r7 November 2007 Wednesday, 14 November :00-10:00, Dunwoody Room “Key usage update for Peer Link Management”, Meiyuan Zhao (Intel), 11-07/2839r2. “Mesh Neighbour List Element”, Kazuyuki Sakoda (Sony), 11-07/2817r0. Moved, to remove the mesh neighbor list element and reference to this information element, as a resolution to CID1085, and 2122. : Remove the mesh neighbor list element entry for beacon frame in Table7-8. : Remove the mesh neighbor list element entry for probe response frame in Table7-15. : Remove the mesh neighbor list element entry in Table7-26. : Remove subclause Mesh Neighbor List element entirely. Annex D: Remove dot11BBConnectivityReportTimeout, dot11BBBeaconRecoveryTimeOut, and dot11BBBeaconRecoveryAddition. Adopted by unanimous consent. Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola
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Wednesday, 14 November 2007 8:00-10:00, Dunwoody Room
doc.: IEEE P /2630r7 November 2007 Wednesday, 14 November :00-10:00, Dunwoody Room “MBCA and Beacon Timing Element Clean Up”, Kazuyuki Sakoda (Sony), 11-07/2819r1. Straw Poll: Should MBCA use AID or part of the MAC Address? AID: 13 MAC: 3 Don’t Know/Care: 20 Recess until 13:30 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola
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Wednesday, 14 November 2007 13:30-15:30, Dunwoody Room
doc.: IEEE P /2630r7 November 2007 Wednesday, 14 November :30-15:30, Dunwoody Room Call Meeting to Order IPR and Attendance Recording Reminder Moved, to adopt the CID resolutions in 11-07/2838r0 (“Proposed resolution to some security comments”). Moved: Seconded: Yes: No: Abstain: Moved, to adopt 11-07/2855r0 (“A More Efficient KDF”) and direct the Editor to incorporate it into the TGs Draft. Resolution of comments and improvement in the Draft Recess until 10:30 Thursday Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola
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Pending Presentations
November 2007 doc.: IEEE P /2630r7 November 2007 Pending Presentations “802.11s functional interdependences”, Jarkko Knecht (Nokia), 11-07/2853r0. “Power efficient and unified s solution”, Jarkko Knecht (Nokia), 11-07/2646r2. “Mesh Power Save”, Jarkko Knecht (Nokia), 11-07/2717r2 (for Thursday). Simulation Results, Mathilde Benveniste. “MDA comments categorization”, Dee Denteneer, 11-07/2868. Moved, to adopt the normative text in document TBD-000s-normative-text-for-broadcast-mda.doc, resolving CID 494 with “Counter”, and direct the Editor to incorporate it into the TGs draft. Moved, to adopt normative text in document TBD-000s-normative-text-for-high-throughput-mesh.doc, changing the resolution of CIDs 235, 4206, and 4228 from “Reject” to “Accept” and CIDs 1935 and 3745 from “Reject” to “Counter” , and direct the Editor to incorporate it into the TGs draft. Moved, to adopt normative text in document TBD-000s-mesh-synchronization-normative-text.doc resolving CIDs TBD and direct the Editor to incorporate it into the TGs draft. Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola
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Thursday, 15 November 2007 10:30-12:30, Dunwoody Room
doc.: IEEE P /2630r7 November 2007 Thursday, 15 November :30-12:30, Dunwoody Room Call Meeting to Order IPR and Attendance recording reminder Discussion and Votes re Process “TGs Process, November”, Donald Eastlake 3rd, 11-07/2812r2. Technical Editor Selection Moved, to adopt normative text in document s-gtk-clarification-for-mesh-access-points.doc resolving CID 590 and direct the Editor to incorporate it into the TGs draft. Moved, to Close all remaining open comments in 11-07/23rTBD with the disposition Reject and the Resolution Note “TGs believes that it needs additional input through a WG Letter Ballot.” Moved: Seconded: Moved, to direct the Technical Editor to produce a revised Draft so as to incorporate all changes and comment resolutions adopted before this motion. Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola
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Thursday, 15 November 2007 10:30-12:30, Dunwoody Room
doc.: IEEE P /2630r7 November 2007 Thursday, 15 November :30-12:30, Dunwoody Room Moved, to approve and forward the following motion to the Working Group: “Moved, to authorize a 15-Day Procedural Letter Ballot to approve sending s Draft D2.0 to 30-Day Letter Ballot.” Moved: Seconded: Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola
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Thursday, 15 November 2007 10:30-12:30, Dunwoody Room
doc.: IEEE P /2630r7 November 2007 Thursday, 15 November :30-12:30, Dunwoody Room If going to Letter Ballot fails: Straw Poll on when to hold teleconferences: Moved, to authorize weekly teleconferences from November through January meetings, starting 28 November through 21 January, Wednesdays, except during the Taipei meeting, at TBDam/pm. Moved: Seconded: Straw Poll, When will we go to Letter Ballot again? Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola
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Thursday, 15 November 2007 10:30-12:30, Dunwoody Room
doc.: IEEE P /2630r7 November 2007 Thursday, 15 November :30-12:30, Dunwoody Room Other Technical Presentations Adjourn sine die TGs Motto: Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing left to add but when there is nothing left to take away. Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola
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[Reference Information]
November 2007 doc.: IEEE P /2630r7 November 2007 [Reference Information] Updated version at Original PAR for IEEE ESS Mesh: 11-04/54r2. Original Five Criteria for IEEE ESS Mesh: 11-04/56r1. Comment Resolution Spreadsheet for Current Draft D1.07: 11-07/23r50: Resolution of comments received during IEEE Letter Ballot 93 Confirmed Proposal on which Draft D0.01 was based: 11-06/328r0: Joint SEE-Mesh/Wi-Mesh Proposal to TGs 11-06/329r3: Joint SEE-Mesh/Wi-Mesh Proposal to TGs Overview Adopted Task Group Working Documents (other than Drafts) 11-04/1477r4: Terms and Definitions for s 11-04/1174r13: Functional Specification and Scope 11-04/1175r10: Comparison Categories and Informative Checklists 11-04/662r16: Usage Models 11-04/1543r4: Informative Reference Bibliography for s Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola
![[Reference Information]](http://slideplayer.com/slide/16642948/96/images/29/%5BReference+Information%5D.jpg "November doc.: IEEE P /2630r7. November [Reference Information] Updated version at Original PAR for IEEE ESS Mesh: 11-04/54r2. Original Five Criteria for IEEE ESS Mesh: 11-04/56r1. Comment Resolution Spreadsheet for Current Draft D1.07: 11-07/23r50: Resolution of comments received during IEEE Letter Ballot 93. Confirmed Proposal on which Draft D0.01 was based: 11-06/328r0: Joint SEE-Mesh/Wi-Mesh Proposal to TGs /329r3: Joint SEE-Mesh/Wi-Mesh Proposal to TGs Overview. Adopted Task Group Working Documents (other than Drafts) 11-04/1477r4: Terms and Definitions for s /1174r13: Functional Specification and Scope /1175r10: Comparison Categories and Informative Checklists /662r16: Usage Models /1543r4: Informative Reference Bibliography for s. Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola. Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola.")
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[Earlier Meeting Minutes]
November 2007 doc.: IEEE P /2630r7 November 2007 [Earlier Meeting Minutes] Task Group “s” Meeting Minutes September 2007, Waikoloa, Hawai‘i, 11-07/2495r0 September 2007, ad hoc Meeting, Līhu‘e, Kaua‘i, Hawai‘i, 11-07/2413r0 July 2007, San Francisco, California, 11-07/2277r0 June 2007, ad hoc Meeting, Hillsboro, Oregon, 11-07/2009r0 May 2007, Montreal, Quebec, 11-07/746r0 April 2007 ad hoc Meeting, Eindhoven, Netherlands, 11-07/559r1 March 2007, Orlando, Florida, 11-07/413r0 February 2007 ad hoc Meeting, Hillsboro, Oregon, 11-07/240r0 January 2007, London, England, 11-07/92r0 November 2006, Dallas, Texas, 11-06/1788r0 November 2006 ad hoc, Munich, Germany, 11-06/1652r1 September 2006, Melbourne, Australia, 11-06/1565r0 Recent Teleconference Minutes 25 July 2007, 11-07/2281r0 8, 15, 22, 29 August 2007, 11-07/2300r0, 11-07/2325r0, 11-07/2337r0, 11-07/2356r0 5 September 2007, 11-07/2377r1 Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola
![[Earlier Meeting Minutes]](http://slideplayer.com/slide/16642948/96/images/30/%5BEarlier+Meeting+Minutes%5D.jpg "November doc.: IEEE P /2630r7. November [Earlier Meeting Minutes] Task Group s Meeting Minutes. September 2007, Waikoloa, Hawai‘i, 11-07/2495r0. September 2007, ad hoc Meeting, Līhu‘e, Kaua‘i, Hawai‘i, 11-07/2413r0. July 2007, San Francisco, California, 11-07/2277r0. June 2007, ad hoc Meeting, Hillsboro, Oregon, 11-07/2009r0. May 2007, Montreal, Quebec, 11-07/746r0. April 2007 ad hoc Meeting, Eindhoven, Netherlands, 11-07/559r1. March 2007, Orlando, Florida, 11-07/413r0. February 2007 ad hoc Meeting, Hillsboro, Oregon, 11-07/240r0. January 2007, London, England, 11-07/92r0. November 2006, Dallas, Texas, 11-06/1788r0. November 2006 ad hoc, Munich, Germany, 11-06/1652r1. September 2006, Melbourne, Australia, 11-06/1565r0. Recent Teleconference Minutes. 25 July 2007, 11-07/2281r0. 8, 15, 22, 29 August 2007, 11-07/2300r0, 11-07/2325r0, 11-07/2337r0, 11-07/2356r0. 5 September 2007, 11-07/2377r1. Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola. Donald Eastlake 3rd, Motorola.")
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