3 Outline4th Year InformationQuestions & AnswersTY information
4 What we’re doing…. 3rd Year briefings on subjects from staff Class group presentations from Guidance CounsellorWebsites to researchParents Information eveningAppointments as requiredPresentation available to download from under the ‘Parent’ tab
6 Leaving Cert established Core SubjectsExamined at LC (3)IrishEnglishMathematicsNon ExamPERE including RSECareersOption Subjects (4)Choose from 17 SubjectsOption form in your packTotal of 7 subjects examined at Leaving Certificate plus LCVP if eligible
9 Think ahead to the next step Keep options open for 3rd level Option SubjectsThink ahead to the next stepKeep options open for 3rd levelCollege entry :Points + Entry RequirementsNeed to understand 3rd level to make informed LC subject choices
10 Points System LCVP Common Level Distinction 70 Merit 50 Pass 30 Higher Level Maths25 bonus points (A1-D3)
11 PointsSix best subjectsAll worth the same except:H.L. MathsLCVP
12 LCVP What is it? How do I get it? Why is it a good idea? An add on programme where you study two modules namely Enterprise Education and The world of Work. It aims to prepare young people for both.How do I get it?By having the correct combination of subjectsWhy is it a good idea?If you do any ordinary level subjects it is very useful for pointsIt is common levelIt is assessed completely before the LC60% portfolio including items like CV, Career Investigation etc
13 LCVP Subject Groupings Services GroupingsEngineering or Technology or Construction Studies or Design & Communication Graphics and Accounting or Business or EconomicsHome Economics and Accounting or Business or EconomicsAgricultural Science and Accounting or Business or EconomicsArt Design or Craftwork Option and Accounting or Business or EconomicsMusic and Accounting or Business or Economics
14 LCVP Subject Groupings Construction Studies; Engineering; Design and Communication Graphics; Technology - Any TwoPhysics and Construction Studies or Engineering or Technology or Design & Communication GraphicsAgricultural Science and Construction Studies or Engineering or Technology or Design & Communication GraphicsAgricultural Science and Chemistry or Physics or Physics/ChemistryHome Economics; Agricultural Science; Biology - Any TwoHome Economics and Art - Design Option or Craft OptionAccounting; Business; Economics - Any twoPhysics and ChemistryBiology and Chemistry or Physics or Physics/ChemistryBiology and Agricultural ScienceArt - Design Option or Craft Option and Design & Communication Graphics
15 Think ahead to the next step Keep options open for 3rd level Option SubjectsThink ahead to the next stepKeep options open for 3rd levelCollege entry :Points + Entry RequirementsNeed to understand 3rd level to make informed LC subject choices
17 Different General Entry Requirements for each level Ladder ApproachDifferent General Entry Requirements for each levelThere is a route for everyone
18 Minimum Entry Requirements Level 8 Courses6 Subjects: 2HC3 + 4 OD3Trinity 3HC3 + 3OD3IT’s Level 6/ 7 courses5OD3Post Leaving Cert CoursesPass Leaving Cert + InterviewRegardless of how many points a student has you CANNOT get into college if you don’t have the entry requirements. Requirements can be general depending on the level of the course applied for and specific depending on the course itself.
19 General Entry Requirements For almost all courses:English and MathsBe careful with Foundation Level
20 Choosing Leaving Certificate Subjects It is important to realise that choosing your subject options for the Leaving Certificate is different from choosing your career.Required subjects Vs Helpful subjects
21 For exampleyou don't have to do any business subject to become an accountant…. But it would be very helpfulyou don’t have to do Engineering in the Leaving Certificate to become an engineer but it will be helpful. However Honours Maths and Physics are very helpful. (and often essential)
22 Specific Subject Requirements Science: One or two science subjects depending on the course or university. Biology, Chemistry, Physics or Ag. Science (sometimes accept Maths or Applied Maths)Engineering: Honours Maths for Universities (Special Maths exam)Primary Teaching: C in Higher Level IrishVeterinary Medicine /Dietetics/Pharmacy/Dentistry: ChemistryMedicine: HPAT + Chemistry + one science depending on locationArt: PortfolioTrinity: Paramedical/science 2 Science SubjectsCollege information is subject to change and should be verified on the college website
23 Specific Subject Requirements Nursing: Science subjectBeautician: BiologyMedical Sciences: 1/2 science subjectsMany of these courses also have specific grade requirements e.g. HB3 etcRCSI physio and pharmacy: HB3 ph.ch.bi.ph/ch or maMed: 5 yrs = hb3 ch+ ph or bi6 yrs od3 one scienceUCD medicine one scienceTcd2hc for science. Pharmacy hc3 ch + 1hc other scPhysio 2hcRad th /ot/ 1hcPharmacy:College information is subject to change and should be checked directly on the college website
24 LanguagesApproximately 10% of all CAO courses require a language other than Irish and English.Limerick colleges do not require a third language unless it is part of the course of study.On qualifax.ie you can see the implications of not doing a languageMostly arts and humanities require it. Ones that can catch you are Medicine, PE in UCC, Shannon College of Hotel Management, Home economics teaching, Architecture in UCD, Speech Therapy.NUI Colleges: UCD, MU, NUIG,UCC,RCSI,SCHM,NCAD,ST. ANGELAS, MILLTOWN INSTITUTEMoral of the story CHECK!All college information is subject to change and should always be verified on the college website
25 LanguagesA Pass in a European Language is required for entry to many courses in NUI colleges e.g. UCC, UCD, NUIM, NUIG, RCSI,NCAD, St. Angela’s Sligo, Shannon College of Hotel Management, Milltown Institute, Institute of Public Administration– the main exceptions are(a) NCAD which will accept Art instead of a language(b) Some Science, Nursing and Engineering coursesUL, Trinity, DCU, DIT and all Institutes of Technology either English and Maths OR English, Maths and ANOTHER language which can be IrishIrish Exemptions carry through if OFFICIAL exemptionsGardaí, Army cadetships, Primary Teaching exemptions do not applyAll college information is subject to change and should always be verified on the college website
26 Are there any subjects that are easier than others? 82.5% - The percentage of students who sat the Russian exam who got an A, making it the subject with the highest percentage of As.33.3% - The percentage of students who failed the Ordinary Level paper in Physics and Chemistry, making it the subject with the highest failure rate.
27 Are there any subjects that are easier than others? This is a common misconception. There is no such thing as an “easy honour”. It depends entirely on the student.A student with strong mathematical ability will favour maths over French and find it easier, but a student with a flair for languages will favour French over maths and find French easier.Many students read Leaving Cert results statistics and misunderstand their relevance. You must remember that where a subject appears to have a high percentage of As every year, it is due to the high standards and capabilities of the students taking that subject.There is no easy subject. Each subject requires time, dedication and consistent attention for two years.
28 CHOOSING SUBJECTS Choose subjects YOU: Like Have achieved well in Need for your futureAre prepared to work atLink talents to subjectsTalk to teachers, siblings, neighbours, people on the busLook at senior cycle text booksChoose a good mix of subjects to keep college and career options open
29 Career Decisions? 29 Knowing about Myself Abilities Personality EducationAchievementsExperience of\workInterests29
30 Choosing a Career Things you like doing Skills/abilities/aptitudeWhat you’re good at naturallyWhat kind of person am I? Do I prefer working on my own/with people?
31 At least one Science subject Not sure? Safe optionIrishEnglishMathsLanguageAt least one Science subject
32 Resources www.curriculumonline.ie Syllabus for LC Subjects Look at past exam papersCheck entry requirementsRead about all LC SubjectsGuidance Counsellor Blog:College websitesCollege ProspectusesGuidance Counsellor make an appointmentTeachers
34 Language Entry Requirements for Third Level Two languages (English + One other) required for the following colleges:Trinity CollegeDublin Institute of TechnologyDublin City University -University of Limerickyou can use a Pass in Irish of a European language – unless it is required for a particular courseLanguage Entry Requirements for Third Level
35 Language Entry Requirements for Third Level Cadetships in the Army, Army equitation, Air Corps and Naval Service.3 HC3 and 3OD3Irish +English + European LanguageFor the Gardaí - two languages are requiredA European Language is not required for entry to the Institutes of Technology, unless it is part of the area of study
39 Research… CAO App www.cao.ie Qualifax/Student/useful tools/minimum entry requirements/Leaving Cert Subjects Choose a subject and check the implications of not choosingQualifax/Student/coursefinder/higher education CAO/Keyword + SearchMain sections of interest:LC Entry RequirementsCourse ContentSubjects taughtCareers or further progression
40 What next? Research, research, research Discuss at home Fill form and return to officeMake appointment if necessary
41 Final words….It’s important not to lock yourself out of a course you want to study by not choosing a required subject.Do your research.Different colleges have different requirements for the same course.Check each college prospectus and make sure you’ve covered the course requirements for what you want to study after the Leaving Cert
42 What next?Complete the option form and return to Ms. Walsh directly by Friday March 20thYou must complete 1-6Any extra information please write on the front of the formBe sure to complete the section listing the four JC Subject OptionsPlease complete the phone number section so we can contact you if we need to