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1 4 May 2008Clogher Valley Bible Class THE CULTS 3 Cooneyites

2 4 May 2008Clogher Valley Bible Class The Church Without A Name Although without an official title they have various unofficial titles: 1.Go- Preachers 2.Dippers 3.Two-by- twos 4.Cooneyites 5.Irvinites 6.Tramp Preachers Most probably is the only cult to have originated in Ireland

3 4 May 2008Clogher Valley Bible Class The Secret History of the Cooneyites Their History Which They Prefer To Hide Proves That They Are Deceivers

4 4 May 2008Clogher Valley Bible Class William Irvine The Faith Mission Evangelist

5 4 May 2008Clogher Valley Bible Class His Background Born in Scotland in Converted under the preaching of evangelist John McNeill in 1893 in Motherwell. In 1895 he joined the Faith Mission as an evangelist. In 1896 he was sent to Ireland where he conducted missions in Counties Antrim, Clare, Tipperary and other places.

6 4 May 2008Clogher Valley Bible Class Early On He Had His Sights Upon A New Movement Mr Goodhand Pattison who wrote an account of the beginnings of the Conneyites recorded from first hand experience: “.. he made no secret of the fact either publicly or privately that in preaching the Gospel he was connected with and owed allegiance to that association, and would continue to do so – so he used to say – until he found better”

7 4 May 2008Clogher Valley Bible Class Unconventional “One never knew from first to last what was going to come next with him, sometimes hardly any sermon, at other times nearly all sermons; sometime give out a hymn; sometime sing a hymn half standing, remainder sitting; sometime nearly all racy anecdotes with plenty of smiles and laughter, at other times soul stirring exhortation, backed by sad and tragic experiences etc.” Goodhand Pattison

8 4 May 2008Clogher Valley Bible Class But Zealous All this added freshness and life to the words of one whose intense earnestness and wholehearted zeal none of us had seen before” Goodhand Pattison

9 4 May 2008Clogher Valley Bible Class And Appealing “no wonder that the Nenagh (certainly not at that time overburdened with much more than the merest husk and shell in religion) had some of its best type powerfully appealed to, and yielded quite a crop of decisions for God” Goodhand Pattison

10 4 May 2008Clogher Valley Bible Class Why Was Irvine So Different? “Preaching had developed into a fine art in Methodism but lacked personal touch of real personal experience, and he would persistently keep telling people in every address …that he attended meetings and made up his mind to serve the Lord…” Goodhand Pattison

11 4 May 2008Clogher Valley Bible Class A Detectable Early Flaw In His Theology Goodhand Pattison’s concept of Christ was changed by Irvine’s oft repeated phrase, “Jesus was a common man”. This is incorrect as is the phrase commonly used today describing the Lord as “the man above”. He is the Son of God, the Lord of Heaven.

12 4 May 2008Clogher Valley Bible Class Growing Dissatisfaction With the State of Protestant Churches As a Faith Mission Pilgrim he worked with the support of all denominations. As he gathered converts he came to the conclusion that the churches were ineffective when it came nurturing. He began gathering these converts around himself and he took on the role of turning them into disciples.

13 4 May 2008Clogher Valley Bible Class 1897 – The Two-by-Two Teaching From Matthew 10:8-10 he deduced the following: 1.That preachers much evangelise in pairs. 2.That they were to take nothing more than what was necessary in their preaching tours. 3.That they were not to receive a wage for their efforts.

14 4 May 2008Clogher Valley Bible Class The Challenge He called on his disciples to leave the mainstream churches and follow Jesus in preaching the gospel. In 1898 a team made up of faith mission pilgrim and new converts undertook a bicycle preaching tour of Scotland. Back in Ireland a growing number were joining Irvine’s preaching team.

15 4 May 2008Clogher Valley Bible Class Conflict Irvine’s attacks on mainstream churches became stronger and more determined, which was against the policy of the Faith Mission. He became unhappy with Mr Govan’s practise of inviting “outsiders” to speak at Faith Mission Conventions. In 1901 Irvine broke links with the movement which unwittingly had given him a base in Ireland.

16 4 May 2008Clogher Valley Bible Class The Emergence of the Cult Irvine broke ties with all the mainstream churches seeing his own movement as a church. He was recognised as the leader. Characteristics similar to other cults are beginning to form

17 4 May 2008Clogher Valley Bible Class Ed Cooney He worked as a salesman for his father’s business in Enniskillen. He was converted in He met Irvine in 1897 and became noted as a dynamic preacher and won many converts.

18 4 May 2008Clogher Valley Bible Class Cooney Becomes a Go Preacher Irvine in 1901 won Cooney’s heart to follow Jesus as a Two-by-Two. Cooney offered Irvine £300 per year to support him but Irvine refused. Eventually Cooney gave up the business and giving £1300 to Irvine and he became an evangelist.

19 4 May 2008Clogher Valley Bible Class 1903 – The Convention The Convention, a feature of Cooneyite practice was started in The early conventions were held in Enniskillen and attracted as many as 3,000 people. By 1904 there were 150 Go-Preachers.

20 4 May 2008Clogher Valley Bible Class 1904 – The Living Witness Joe Kerr, a 1902 convert, taught that only those who accepted the preaching of the Go-Preachers were truly saved. By 1904 all the preachers accepted this doctrine. Therefore the organisation at this stage stated that the church did not exist in any other movement – classic mark of a cult

21 4 May 2008Clogher Valley Bible Class The Call To Surrender Early on Irvine took a hard line on supporters who refused to become Go- preachers. He called them “sham hypocrites”. As the movement grew, however, his tone softened.

22 4 May 2008Clogher Valley Bible Class Into All The World As the numbers of preachers grew they began to carry their message into other lands. Converts were won in Australia, North America and Sooth America as well as the British Mainland. By 1942 for example there were 100 annual conventions with an average attendance of 400, 900 preachers and 3,000 house churches in the USA alone.

23 4 May 2008Clogher Valley Bible Class 1908 – The House Church In 1908 Irvine sanctioned house meetings. He stated, “the true church is a man’s home…the first Christians met in the homes of the saints.” Acts 7 and 17 were quoted where references are made to God dwelling in temples made with hands. He divided the people into “saints” and “workers”.

24 4 May 2008Clogher Valley Bible Class Irvine’s Downfall It appears that Irvine became more powerful and as he travelled worldwide he lost sight of his original ideals. Opposition to his leadership grew. In 1919 influenced by Seventh Day Adventist and perhaps Russellite teaching he claimed he was one of the two witnesses of Revelation 11. He was expelled from the movement.

25 4 May 2008Clogher Valley Bible Class A Lonely End He moved to Jerusalem in 1920 thinking he was a special servant of God. He had his supporters within the movement whom he wrote prophetic messages to. He died in Unlike the servants of Revelation 11 he did not rise after 3 ½ days. He certainly bore the hallmarks of a false prophet.

26 4 May 2008Clogher Valley Bible Class The Downfall of Cooney Cooney believed that the loss of Irvine was God’s judgment. He decided that the Living Witness Doctrine was wrong. He became critical of the growing power exercised by overseers. He disliked the wealth of the preachers. He attempted to heal a young girl in England and failed. In 1928 he was cast out of the movement.

27 4 May 2008Clogher Valley Bible Class Cooney’s Influence Continued The greater part of the Irish movement supported him, hence the term Cooneyite. He spent his final years in Australia supporting those who were loyal to him. Throughout the world many were cut off from the movement for supporting Cooney. He died in in 1961 at the age of 93.

28 4 May 2008Clogher Valley Bible Class Huge Question If this organisation is the true Church which part is the Church - The original organisation? Those loyal to Irvine? Those Loyal to Cooney? This argues against the credibility of these so called successors of Christ and the Apostles.

29 4 May 2008Clogher Valley Bible Class The Practises of the Movement They conduct missions in an area for prolonged periods. They will use no label. The word No Denominational usually identifies them as being Cooneyites.

30 4 May 2008Clogher Valley Bible Class The Message of the Movement It is undoubtedly a system of works not faith and grace. People are urged to embark on the Jesus Way by living a good life – remember Irvine’s comment – “Jesus was a common man”. They misinterpret Romans 5:10 claiming that we shall be saved by living by Jesus. Saved by his life of course means that we are made pure because of Christ’s righteousness, not our righteousness which is non-existent.

31 4 May 2008Clogher Valley Bible Class Their Teachings Are Not Written But Can Be Summarised As Follows 1.They are the only true Church. 2.Salvation is by works. 3.They frown on education and books, including theological works are not to be studied. 4.They are anti-denominational. 5.They are anti-clerical. 6.They claim to be Apostolic in origin.

32 4 May 2008Clogher Valley Bible Class Witnessing To Cooneyites How can you be sure of heaven? Show them verses such as Ephesians 2:8-9 Relate your personal testimony. Ask them why their preachers cannot heal the sick or cast out devils according to the pattern of Matthew? Remember – they are taught to never enter into a controversy or a debate with anyone.


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