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1 Hebrews 12:5-8 God Spanks His Kids Open with me: Hebrews 12:5-8
Pg 1070 In Church Bibles

2 Judge to Parents: Spank or Pay
Perhaps you saw the story the this last week…. Highlighting the “Spanking judge” He was “strongly encouraged”, to stop his practice in court parents of truant kids have two choices – spank or pay $500 Not endorsing, necessarily - This story has, as stories like it, produced quite a varied response Judge to Parents: Spank or Pay In Gustavo Garza's court if your kid has been charged with truancy, you get two options: either pay a fine of $500 or spank your kid with large plank emblazoned with "Board of Education" in front of everyone in the courtroom.

3 Spanking is illegal in 24 countries
Our world very split on idea of corporal punishment for kids In 24 countries is illegal In great Brittan, fine w/o marks In US – split across states In this room…varied opinions - recognize horrors of child abuse Consider title of today’s sermon God Spanks His Kids True…as we will see…. Spanking is illegal in 24 countries 1979  Sweden 1983  Finland 1987  Norway 1989  Austria 1994  Cyprus 1997  Denmark 1998  Latvia 1999  Croatia 2000  Bulgaria 2000  Israel 2000  Germany 2003  Iceland 2004  Romania 2004  Ukraine 2005  Hungary 2006  Greece 2007  Chile 2007  Netherlands 2007  New Zealand 2007  Portugal 2007  Spain 2007  Uruguay 2007  Venezuela 2008  Costa Rica

4 Let’s begin by reading Hebrews 12:5-11 Today – continue in Hebrews Working verse by verse thru Today, begin at least 3 weeks of talking about God’s discipline Goal to understand, even cooperate with God’s discipline (next slide)

5 Understanding God’s Discipline
Our main Goal is to see, embrace His work Secondary goal – for parents, (next slide)…

6 Parenting from God’s Example
Secondary goal – for parents, learn from God’s role model. Will give keys of His discipline. Not mine – I am not perfect But His parenting as an example

7 Understanding God’s Discipline
God Disciplines, not Punishes Not Penal or Punitive Christian, God NEVER punishes you First key for us to see, is that God does not, ever, punish His kids How can I say that…. (next slide)

8 And the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned, every one, to his own way; And the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all. We are and were guilty – every one of us. Convictable Yet, God laid our sins guilt and punishment on Christ Isaiah 53:6

9 So Jesus…said, “It is finished!” John 19:30
Jesus’ last words on the Cross affirmed that the price for you sin and mine – done – finished. In law, to try someone for the same crime is called double jeopardy - in a greater way – God cannot, could not charge you and I, cannot punish you and I for sin that Jesus paid for. John 19:30

10 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus
No more condemnation, never punishes us for our sin Romans 8:1

11 Understanding God’s Discipline
God Disciplines, not Punishes Not Penal or Punitive Christian, God NEVER punishes you Punishment looks back, guilt Getting what you “deserve” Discipline looks forward Instruction in what you need Correction – fix course Prevention – keep from sin God disciplines, not punishes Difference? Punishment looks back – guilt, giving us what we deserve. Punishment that fits the crime Discipline looks forward, it is focused on our good, instruction Discipline includes correction Not punishment, but getting us back on track where we are off Discipline includes prevention is not only about us being off. Sometimes preventative, to keep us from failing….

12 And lest I should be exalted above measure by the abundance of the revelations, a thorn in the flesh was given to me…lest I be exalted above measure. Paul did not do something to get this, not punishment God in His grace, disciplining, helping Paul not to fail 2Corinthians 12:7

13 Understanding God’s Discipline
God Disciplines, not Punishes Not Penal or Punitive Christian, God NEVER punishes you Punishment looks back, guilt Getting what you “deserve” Discipline looks forward Instruction in what you need Correction – fix course Prevention – keep from sin Education – strengthening Discipline includes Education For good, education, edification Much more we could say in those categories. But key- is looking forward, discipline is about our course, getting and keeping us on.

14 Parenting from God’s Example
Discipline, don’t punish Parental application. I don’t believe God has charged parents with the responsibility of punishing our kids If so, would have to be a whole standard, statue of limitations - sometimes kids want it. Our goal, charge – is not to give them what they deserve – but to steer their lives rightly…

15 Train up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not depart from it.
Famous verse - probably communicating more than imagine… Yet, notice – point is future, way going. It is discipline, not punishment Parents – when discipline, I call you to make this your clear aim Proverbs 22:6

16 Understanding God’s Discipline
God Disciplines, not Punishes Not Penal or Punitive Christian, God NEVER punishes you Punishment looks back, guilt Getting what you “deserve” Discipline looks forward Instruction in what you need Correction – fix course Prevention – keep from sin Education – strengthening God disciplines – forward Not punishes – backwards

17 Understanding God’s Discipline
God Disciplines, not Punishes Not Penal or Punitive Christian, God NEVER punishes you Punishment looks back, guilt Getting what you “deserve” Discipline looks forward Instruction in what you need Correction – fix course Prevention – keep from sin Education – strengthening Christian, hear me clearly God never punishes you. Some of you struggling right now Looking at life, and feel that God is punishing you for past…NOT This feeling is a lie…travesty against the Cross. God does not! God is not punishing you for your sins!

18 Understanding God’s Discipline
God Disciplines, not Punishes God Disciplines ALL His Kids If disciplined–know it is not just you If disciplined–know you are His Secondly–God spanks all His kids If disciplined – it is not just you - sometimes kids feel they are only one’s dealt with. Not so - Christians can feel too. Not so. Every Christian gets disciplined - Billy Graham, Paul, KP, etc If disciplined, know you are His - again, kids can often feel that discipline is disowning. NOT - No, it is proof!

19 Parenting from God’s Example
Discipline, not punish Discipline your kids! Parents, hear the call God disciplines all His kids You are called, commanded to discipline yours

20 He who spares his rod hates his son But he who loves him disciplines
He who spares his rod hates his son But he who loves him disciplines him promptly. If you think it is love to not discipline, WRONG. God says it is hate Proverbs 13:24

21 Do not withhold correction from a child,
For if you beat him with a rod, he will not die. You shall beat him with a rod, And deliver his soul from hell. Key – aim, deliver from hell Proverbs 23:13-14

22 The rod and rebuke give wisdom, But a child left to himself brings
The rod and rebuke give wisdom, But a child left to himself brings shame to his mother. Sadly…true God disciplines all His kids People don’t always…should Proverbs 29:15

23 Parenting from God’s Example
Discipline, not punish Discipline your kids! Parents, dicipline your kids!

24 Understanding God’s Discipline
God Disciplines, not Punishes God Disciplines ALL His Kids If disciplined–know it is not just you If disciplined–know you are His If you are not disciplined then you are NOT His If not disciplined, not His - happened to all of us, at restaurant, mall. Kid acting up. Wanted to deal with. Why didn’t you? Not your right. Not yours. If in this series is you, don’t know His discipline, then I call you to salvation Discipline is a proof!

25 Understanding God’s Discipline
God Disciplines, not Punishes God Disciplines ALL His Kids If disciplined–know it is not just you If disciplined–know you are His If you are not disciplined then you are NOT His 2nd main key for today Discipline is wonderful reminder, each and every time– you are His If disciplined, learn to see as a wonderful reminder – you are His

26 Understanding God’s Discipline
God Disciplines, not Punishes God Disciplines ALL His Kids His Discipline is NOT…. a guilty conscience (self) condemnation (satan) criticism (world) Think for a moment-application If discipline separates saved and unsaved – key that we understand Danger of being vague. Hear what Discipline is NOT Not a guilty conscience. Pastors have pointed to at times. Myself perhaps, wrongly All have a conscience – saved and unsaved – comes from self Not condemnation – of satan, he does night and day Not criticism of world – universal Don’t mistake these for God’s discipline!

27 Understanding God’s Discipline
God Disciplines, not Punishes God Disciplines ALL His Kids His Discipline is NOT…. His Discipline is Varied God’s discipline is varied not one size fits all Not all disciplined in the same way If about punishment, that would be unfair. But it is not – it is about correction, direction… Discipline is individually crafted! Ok…but how? Examples? - not a board flying from sky Lets look at some scriptural examples to find some help Individually crafted

28 Understanding God’s Discipline
God Disciplines, not Punishes God Disciplines ALL His Kids His Discipline is NOT…. His Discipline is Varied Relational - distance Scriptural - Cutting of Word Confrontational - thru others Supernatural - miraculous Circumstantial - God ordering Relational – one of most powerful - distance from God, sorrow - When happens in parenting, wonderful - Think of David and sin – dried up inside Scriptural. His Word spanks - Heb 4:19 – cuts to our core - Acts 2 – cut to the heart - Powerful…wonderful Confrontational – uses others - Nathan to David, Abimelech to Abraham, Paul to Peter - when you know more that criticism Supernatural – God working - Jonah and fish, Zach and losing voice Circumstantial–working in things around - seems to be part of context here Individually crafted

29 Understanding God’s Discipline
God Disciplines, not Punishes God Disciplines ALL His Kids God Disciplines Personally His Discipline is NOT…. His Discipline is Varied His Discipline is Personal God’s discipline is varied! - how do we know it? God’s discipline is personal v.5 – by Him For me…I know. More than just problem – God deals with imagine, parent just whacking a kid as walked down hall – without explanation. Helpful? God disciplines, personally. You know He is dealing w/you- I do If don’t…saved? Individually crafted

30 Parenting from God’s Example
Discipline, not punish Discipline your kids Discipline individually, personally Parents in application Discipline individually - not one size fits all, even for multiple kids. - not punishment…correction Discipline personally – your voice, explanation…call

31 Understanding God’s Discipline
God Disciplines, not Punishes God Disciplines ALL His Kids God Disciplines Personally God Disciplines from Love God disciplines from love - notice v.6 This is important… Lets do backwards here - talk about parenting – then see in our relationship with God

32 Parenting from God’s Example
Discipline, not punish Discipline your kids Discipline individually, personally Discipline from Love Don’t discipline out of anger Anger is punitive Anger is selfish Anger doesn’t work Parents – discipline from love - don’t discipline from anger Anger is punitive. Often is all about punishment Anger is selfish. Not concerned for them…but for me. Embarrassed me, frustrate me Anger doesn’t work

33 So then, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath; for the wrath of man does not produce the righteousness of God. Read clearly – wrath never produces righteousness – never I am convinced that all child abuse is wrath, anger, selfish But God is calling us never to discipline in anger…never I confess to you…I have had to apologize to my kids several times James 1:19-20

34 Parenting from God’s Example
Discipline, not punish Discipline your kids Discipline individually, personally Discipline from Love Don’t discipline out of anger Love causes real discipline “hurts me more than you” Love leads to real discipline Can say “Hurts me more than you” - if anger, not true - if love, is true

35 He who spares his rod hates his son
But he who loves him disciplines him promptly. Love leads to discipline Proverbs 13:24

36 Understanding God’s Discipline
God Disciplines, not Punishes God Disciplines ALL His Kids God Disciplines Personally God Disciplines from Love Key to know is God’s love If don’t…discouraging! Context: Endurance vs. Discouragement Apply this back to relationship with God - God never messes up like me - all His discipline from love Key is to know comes from God’s love If you don’t will be discouraged - context need endurance - endurance vs. discouragement - if you think God is angry, punishing you, against you – wipe you out…discouraging

37 Understanding God’s Discipline
God Disciplines, not Punishes God Disciplines ALL His Kids God Disciplines Personally God Disciplines from Love Key to know is God’s love If don’t…discouraging! Context: Endurance vs. Discouragement Hear this…God is for you, all discipline is for you good - motivated by His love

38 Understanding God’s Discipline
God Disciplines, not Punishes God Disciplines ALL His Kids God Disciplines Personally God Disciplines from Love O how I pray you see His discipline…begin to understand Has been 3 keys I want to show Not punishment Proves you are His Arises from His love If so…then you will know, wonderful

39 You have dealt well with Your servant,
O Lord, according to Your word... Before I was afflicted I went astray, But now I keep Your word. You are good, and do good… It is good for me that I have been afflicted That I may learn Your statutes. You will see – it is good - say to God…thanks Psalm 119:65-71

40 Understanding God’s Discipline
God Disciplines, not Punishes God Disciplines ALL His Kids God Disciplines Personally God Disciplines from Love This is God’s discipline

41 Understanding God’s Discipline
God Disciplines, not Punishes God Disciplines ALL His Kids God Disciplines Personally God Disciplines from Love Again–know God spanks His kids Do you know it? Real? - great proof of salvation Declaration that not saved, that He is not your Dad To be a Christian – is to be His child

42 Blessed be the God and Father …who has …predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself Today….if unsaved, see it Long that you would be adopted by Him Ephesians 1:3-6

43 Blessed be the God and Father …who has …predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself Today….if unsaved, see it Long that you would be adopted by Him Ephesians 1:3-6

44 to those who believe in His name:
But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. Today, call you to a work of God Today, call you to believe in Him, to receive Him John 1:12-13

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