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TGn Meeting Report - March 09 ‘09
doc.: IEEE /0219r2 March 2009 TGn Meeting Report - March 09 ‘09 Authors: Date: 2009-March-09 Name Company Address Phone Bruce Kraemer Marvell +1 - 321 4 27 4098 marvell .com 5488 Marvell Lane, Santa Clara, CA, 95054 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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March 2009 doc.: IEEE /0219r2 March 2009 Welcome to Vancouver, BC, CA March Fairmont Hyatt Regency Hotel Meetings Room = Regency B One room – no parallel sessions Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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March 2009 Meeting Protocol Please announce your affiliation when you first address the group during a meeting slot Slide 3 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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Register Indicate attendance Attendance
March 2009 Attendance Register Indicate attendance See document r0 for more details Slide 4 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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Attendance, Voting & Document Status
March 2009 Attendance, Voting & Document Status Make sure your badges are correct If you plan to make a submission be sure it does not contain company logos or advertising Questions on Voting status, Ballot pool, Access to Reflector, Documentation, member’s area see Adrian Stephens – Cell Phones Silent or Off Slide 5 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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Policies March 2009 Policies and Procedures:
doc.: IEEE /0219r2 March 2009 Policies Policies and Procedures: IEEE Patent Policy - Are there any patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) and/or the holder of patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) that the participant believes may be essential for the use of that standard? Minute any responses that were given, specifically the patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) and/or the holder of the patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) that were identified (if any) and by whom. Affiliation FAQ - Anti-Trust FAQ - Ethics - IEEE Policies and Procedures - IEEE 802 Policies and Procedures - Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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Participants, Patents, and Duty to Inform
March 2009 doc.: IEEE /0219r2 March 2009 Participants, Patents, and Duty to Inform All participants in this meeting have certain obligations under the IEEE-SA Patent Policy. Participants: “Shall inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed)” of the identity of each “holder of any potential Essential Patent Claims of which they are personally aware” if the claims are owned or controlled by the participant or the entity the participant is from, employed by, or otherwise represents “Personal awareness” means that the participant “is personally aware that the holder may have a potential Essential Patent Claim,” even if the participant is not personally aware of the specific patents or patent claims “Should inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed)” of the identity of “any other holders of such potential Essential Patent Claims” (that is, third parties that are not affiliated with the participant, with the participant’s employer, or with anyone else that the participant is from or otherwise represents) The above does not apply if the patent claim is already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance that applies to the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group Quoted text excerpted from IEEE-SA Standards Board Bylaws subclause 6.2 Early identification of holders of potential Essential Patent Claims is strongly encouraged No duty to perform a patent search Slide #1 - March 08 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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March 2009 Patent Related Links All participants should be familiar with their obligations under the IEEE-SA Policies & Procedures for standards development. Patent Policy is stated in these sources: IEEE-SA Standards Boards Bylaws IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual Material about the patent policy is available at If you have questions, contact the IEEE-SA Standards Board Patent Committee Administrator at or visit This slide set is available at Slide #2 – March 08 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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Call for Potentially Essential Patents
March 2009 If anyone in this meeting is personally aware of the holder of any patent claims that are potentially essential to implementation of the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group and that are not already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance: Either speak up now or Provide the chair of this group with the identity of the holder(s) of any and all such claims as soon as possible or Cause an LOA to be submitted Slide #3 – March 08 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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Other Guidelines for IEEE WG Meetings
March 2009 doc.: IEEE /0219r2 March 2009 Other Guidelines for IEEE WG Meetings All IEEE-SA standards meetings shall be conducted in compliance with all applicable laws, including antitrust and competition laws. Don’t discuss the interpretation, validity, or essentiality of patents/patent claims. Don’t discuss specific license rates, terms, or conditions. Relative costs, including licensing costs of essential patent claims, of different technical approaches may be discussed in standards development meetings. Technical considerations remain primary focus Don’t discuss or engage in the fixing of product prices, allocation of customers, or division of sales markets. Don’t discuss the status or substance of ongoing or threatened litigation. Don’t be silent if inappropriate topics are discussed … do formally object. See IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual, clause and “Promoting Competition and Innovation: What You Need to Know about the IEEE Standards Association's Antitrust and Competition Policy” for more details. Slide #4 – March 08 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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Secretary Candidates: Jon Rosdahl Other? March 2009
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TGn Minutes March 2009 Slide 12 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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TGn Minutes of January ’09 11-09-0106r0
March 2009 TGn Minutes of January ’ r0 Executive Summary (see also Chairs’ meeting doc and closing report doc ): Draft 7.0 passed recirculation ballot LB138 with 281 approve, 14 not approve, 95.25% affirmative. This was a recirculation ballot on an unchanged draft leading to a sponsor ballot. The first sponsor ballot for TGn completed on January 10, were eligible to vote votes were received, and the vote passed with 158 approve, 45 not approve, 17 abstain, 77.8% affirmative. 241 comments were submitted on the sponsor ballot. Resolution of these comments will continue into teleconferences after this meeting. There were no changes to the timeline anticipating publication in March 2010. Slide 13 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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March 2009 Approve Minutes Motion to approve January ‘09 (Los Angeles) TGn minutes as contained in r0 Move: Sheung Second: Jon Slide 14 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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TGn Quick Review of Events prior to this meeting
March 2009 TGn Quick Review of Events prior to this meeting Slide 15 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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TGn Ad Hoc Organization
March 2009 doc.: IEEE /0219r2 March 2009 TGn Ad Hoc Organization Ad Hoc Topic Ad hoc leader In Vancouver? PHY Vinko Erceg Yes MAC Matt Fischer Coexistence Eldad Perahia General Joe Levy Beamforming & Adaptation John Ketchum Joonsuk Kim No TGn Bruce Kraemer Editorial Adrian Stephens CA Doc Sheung Li Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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One Page History of TGn March 2009 March 2009 July 2008
doc.: IEEE /0748r5 doc.: IEEE /0219r2 March 2009 One Page History of TGn HTSG formed – First meeting (Sep-11-’02 Monterey) TGn formed – First meeting (Sep-15-’03 Singapore) Began call for proposals (May 17 ’04 Garden Grove) 32 First round presentations (Sep 13 ’04 Berlin) Down selected to one proposal (Mar ’05 Atlanta) –first confirm vote failed. Confirmation vote #2 failed - reset to 3 proposals -left the May ‘05 meeting with a serious deadlock. (Cairns) 3 proposal groups agreed to a joint proposal activity (Jul ’05 San Francisco) JP proposal accepted by vote of 184/0/4, editor instructed to create draft (Jan ’06 Waikoloa) Baseline specification converted into Draft 1.0 (335p). Letter ballot issued (LB84) March 20, ’06 (Denver) and closed on April 29, ‘06 (failed) Draft 1.0 Comment resolution begins (May ’06 Jacksonville) Approved 6711 editorial and 1041 technical resolutions; Created Draft (Jul ’06 San Diego) Approved 568 technical resolutions (Sep ’06 Melbourne); Created Draft 1.06 (388p) Approved 703 technical resolutions (Nov ’06 Dallas); Created Draft 1.09 (444p) Approved 496 technical resolutions (Jan ’07 London); created D (500p); went to WG letter ballot Feb 7, ’07 with D 2.0; closed March 9, ’07 LB97 on TGn D2.0 passed with 83.4% approval. (Mar ’07 Orlando) Began comment resolution on with target of Draft 3.0 completion and release to ballot in Sep ’07. Approved 1470 editorial resolutions and approved TGn draft Also approved 450 technical comment resolutions. (May 07 Montreal) Cumulative insertion of resolutions contained in TGn draft (494p) Approved 750 technical resolutions and approved TGn draft (July 07 San Francisco) Cumulative insertion of resolutions now contained in TGn draft (498p) Approved 507 technical resolutions and approved recirculation ballot for TGn draft 3.0 (544p). (Sep 07 Waikoloa) Recirculation passed. Approved 282 editorial resolutions and approved TGn draft Approved 97 technical resolutions. (Nov 07 Atlanta) Cumulative insertion of resolutions now contained in TGn draft (558p) Approved 313 technical comment resolutions (Jan ‘08 Taipei). Cumulative approved comments now in D3.03. Additional ad hoc comment resolutions contained in speculative edits D3.04, D3.05, D3.06. Approved 190 technical comment resolutions (Mar ’08 Orlando). Approved recirculation ballot for TGn draft 4.0 (547p). Approved 349 comment resolutions (May ’08 Jacksonville). Approved recirculation ballot (LB129) for TGn draft 5.0 (547p). Ballot closed June 12 with 1112 comments. Approved 1112 comment resolutions (July ’08 Denver). Approved recirculation ballot (LB134) for TGn draft 6.0 (557p). Ballot closed August 12 with 195 comments. Approved 195 comment resolutions (Sep ’08 Waikoloa). Approved recirculation ballot (LB136) for TGn draft 7.0 (557p). Ballot closed Sep 30 with 48 comments. Approved 48 comment resolutions resulting from LB136 (Nov ’08 Dallas). Approved recirculation ballot (LB138). Granted conditional approval to move to Sponsor ballot. Zero no votes received. Moved ahead with Sponsor ballot. Sponsor Ballot closed Jan 10 ’ comments received, 77.8 % affirmative. TGn CRC began Sponsor ballot comment resolution (Jan ’09 Los Angeles). Completed comment resolution, prepared D8.0 and began 1st SB recirc 19 Feb 09 which closed 06 Mar Comments received % affirmative. Slide 17 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Page 17 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer (Marvell), Sheung Li (SiBEAM)
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TGn – Sponsor Ballot Recirc #1
March 2009 TGn – Sponsor Ballot Recirc #1 IEEE Recirculation Sponsor Ballot #1 asked the question “Should P802.11N Draft 8.0 be forwarded to RevCom?” The official results for the 15 day Recirculation Sponsor Ballot #1 follow: Ballot Opening Date: Thursday February 19 , 2009 - 23:59 ET Ballot Closing Date: Friday March 06, 2009 - 23:59 ET RESPONSE RATE: This ballot has met the 50% returned ballot ratio requirement This ballot has met the <30% abstention ratio requirement 277 eligible people are in this ballot group. 169 affirmative votes 42 negative votes 17 abstention votes ======= 232 votes received = 83 % valid returns = 7 % valid abstentions APPROVAL RATE: 169 affirmative votes = % affirmative 42 total negative votes = % negative Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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SB Recirc #1 – Comments (77 Total)
March 2009 SB Recirc #1 – Comments (77 Total) Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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Primary Vancouver Meeting Documents
March 2009 doc.: IEEE /0219r2 March 2009 Primary Vancouver Meeting Documents SB #1 Comment Composite r5 Meeting Report r0 Editors Report r0 Closing Report r0 Meeting Minutes r2 TGn Draft 8.0 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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SB Recirc #1 Ad hoc Documents
March 2009 doc.: IEEE /0219r2 March 2009 SB Recirc #1 Ad hoc Documents Ad hoc CID count Resolution Spreadsheet Report (ppt) Resolutions (doc) Monday, Mar 9, 1 pm Beam Coex 0297 r0 0298 r0 Gen _ _ _ _ r0 BEAM + PHY MAC Editor Composite Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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March TGn CRC Agenda March 2009 Slide 22 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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March 2009 Master Schedule Plan Nov ’08 - Requested (conditional) approval for sponsor ballot Sponsor ballot pool formed during July/August ‘08 Released Draft 7.0 to SB #0 in November ’08 Released Draft 8.0 to SB #1 recirc in Feb ‘09 Begin & Complete SB #1 comment resolution in March Release Draft 9.0 for SB #2 before April 1 Conduct subsequent activities with target of EC Request for unconditional approval in July Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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March WG11 Agenda am1 am2 pm1 pm2 eve March 2009 lunch dinner
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Agenda Plan and Topics Primary topic: Comment Resolution
March 2009 July 2008 doc.: IEEE /0748r5 doc.: IEEE /0219r2 March 2009 Agenda Plan and Topics Primary topic: Comment Resolution General Order – TGn Full with topics introduced by ad hoc where appropriate, consider reverting to ad hoc when full business complete Monday – TGn summary, ad hoc status and comment resolution planning Tuesday – Discussion and Votes Wednesday – Discussion and Votes Thursday - Discussion and Votes CRC Plans from March to May to July Extend Teleconferences? Timeline review Any other Business for the agenda? Slide 25 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Page 25 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer (Marvell), Sheung Li (SiBEAM)
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TGn CRC – Mar ‘09 Schedule Mar 09 Mar 10 Mar 11 Mar 12 Time Monday
March 2009 doc.: IEEE /0219r2 March 2009 TGn CRC – Mar ‘09 Schedule Mar 09 Mar 10 Mar 11 Mar 12 Time Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday am 1 8:00-10:00 X Full TGn 8 12 am 2 10:30-12:30 4 lunch 12:30-13:30 pm 1 13:30-15:30 6 10 pm 2 16:00-18:00 2 14 eve 19:30-21:30 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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TGn CRC – Mar ‘09 Schedule – Topics
March 2009 doc.: IEEE /0219r2 March 2009 TGn CRC – Mar ‘09 Schedule – Topics Mar 09 Mar 10 Mar 11 Mar 12 Time Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday am 1 8:00-10:00 X Full TGn MAC MAC/COEX am 2 10:30-12:30 PHY lunch 12:30-13:30 pm 1 13:30-15:30 COEX COEX/MAC pm 2 16:00-18:00 Opening reports MISC eve 19:30-21:30 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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Further details on CRC Topic plans
March 2009 Further details on CRC Topic plans The composite comment data base r5 allocates comments to topic categories: COEX, PHY, MAC, EDITOR For the first 3 comment resolution meetings we will have single subjects On Tuesday AM2 only PHY comments will be discussed On Tuesday pm1 only COEX will be discussed Time block will begin with presentations by John Barr ( ) and Peter Loc On Wednesday am1 only MAC will be discussed Allocation of topics to subsequent time slots are expected to be as shown on slide 27 but may change after reviewing progress made in the above 3 sessions. Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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Approve Work Plan Agenda
March 2009 Approve Work Plan Agenda Motion to approve March ’09 TGn agenda as contained on slide (with any minuted amendments as contained in 0219 r2 ). Move: Second: Slide 29 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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TGn Newly Approved Timeline
March 2009 doc.: IEEE /0219r2 March 2009 TGn Newly Approved Timeline Event Name Accepted Dates Actual Predicted PAR Approved Sep ‘03 Initial WG Letter Ballot Mar ‘06 Recirculation WG Letter Ballot Oct ‘07 Form Sponsor Ballot Pool Jul ‘08 Initial Sponsor Ballot Nov ‘08 Recirculation Sponsor Ballot Jan ‘09 Final WG Approval Jul ‘09 Final EC Approval RevCom/ Stds Board Approval Sep ‘09 Publication Nov ‘09 Jan ‘09 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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TGn Timeline – Best Prediction
March 2009 doc.: IEEE /0219r2 March 2009 TGn Timeline – Best Prediction Event Name Accepted Dates Actual Currently Approved Accepted PAR Approved Sep ‘03 Initial WG Letter Ballot Mar ‘06 Recirculation WG Letter Ballot Oct ‘07 Form Sponsor Ballot Pool Jul ‘08 Initial Sponsor Ballot Nov ‘08 Jan ‘09 Recirculation Sponsor Ballot May ‘09 Final WG Approval Jul ‘09 Nov ‘09 Final EC Approval RevCom/ Stds Board Approval Sep ‘09 Jan ‘10 Publication Mar ‘10 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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Mar ’09 to May ‘09 TGn Teleconference Plan
March 2009 doc.: IEEE /0219r2 March 2009 Mar ’09 to May ‘09 TGn Teleconference Plan Call time: 10:00 – 14:00 ET Call number: Wednesday Blocking events Ad hoc group Meeting chair Bridge # Passcode Mar 11 Plenary Mar 18 Mar 25 Apr 01 Apr 08 Apr 15 Apr 22 Apr 29 May 06 May 13 Interim Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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End of Chair's Opening Report
March 2009 End of Chair's Opening Report Slide 33 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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Technical Editor Report 11-09-0251 r0
March 2009 Technical Editor Report r0 Slide 34 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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ad hoc Reports March 2009 Slide 35 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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SB Recirc #1 Ad hoc Documents
March 2009 doc.: IEEE /0219r2 March 2009 SB Recirc #1 Ad hoc Documents Ad hoc CID count Resolution Spreadsheet Report (ppt) Resolutions (doc) Monday, Mar 9, 1 pm Beam Coex 0297 r0 0298 r0 Gen _ _ _ _ r0 BEAM + PHY MAC Editor Composite Bruce Kraemer, Marvell Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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Any other business? March 2009 Slide 37 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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Recess March 2009 Slide 38 Bruce Kraemer, Marvell
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