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IEEE 802.11 TGv November Agenda
January 2005 doc.: IEEE yy/xxxxr0 November 2008 IEEE TGv November Agenda Date: Authors: Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks Dorothy Stanley, Agere Systems
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January 2005 doc.: IEEE yy/xxxxr0 November 2008 Abstract This presentation contains the IEEE TGv agenda and motions for November 2008. Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks Dorothy Stanley, Agere Systems
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TGv – November 2008 November 2008 Call Meeting to Order
January 2005 doc.: IEEE yy/xxxxr0 November 2008 TGv – November 2008 Call Meeting to Order Policies and Procedures, Attendance reminder, see **IEEE Patent Policy Are there any patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) and/or the holder of patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) that the participant believes may be essential for the use of that standard? Minute any responses that were given, specifically the patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) and/or the holder of the patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) that were identified (if any) and by whom. ***Affiliation FAQ - Anti-Trust FAQ - Ethics - IEEE Policies and Procedures - IEEE 802 Policies and Procedures - ** Read slide deck *** Note especially items #7 & #11 Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks Dorothy Stanley, Agere Systems
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TGv Agenda November 2008 Tuesday PM2 Monday PM2 Tuesday Evening
January 2005 doc.: IEEE yy/xxxxr0 November 2008 TGv Agenda Tuesday PM2 AP Collaboration Comment group 1274, , Diagnostics Motions – , Proxy ARP, CID 73 Monday PM2 Call to Order, IP info & query, Approve Agenda Chair’s Welcome, Status, Review of Objectives Motions – Waikoloa & telecon minutes Event , Collocated interference , (if present) Tuesday Evening Timing Measurement Event – Wednesday AM 1 Load shifting – Darwin Motion Monday Evening Timing Measurement General CIDs 1239, 1257 – Motions: Weds PM 1 , 1322 Annex Q Update – Joe Mgt Frame priority – CID 251 Motion – , Tuesday AM2 comments – , , Motion: Thursday PM2 Motions Plans for January, Adjourn Attendance reminder: **for each timeslot*** Documents: Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks Dorothy Stanley, Agere Systems
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November Meeting Status & Objectives
January 2005 doc.: IEEE yy/xxxxr0 November 2008 November Meeting Status & Objectives TGv Status Draft 3.02 available LB 133 Comments available in Need a secretary November Meeting Objectives Comment Resolution Hear Presentations Letter Ballot Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks Dorothy Stanley, Agere Systems
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Documents for 08/801 comment resolution
January 2005 doc.: IEEE yy/xxxxr0 November 2008 Documents for 08/801 comment resolution Category Volunteers Document Annex Joe Kwak 08-979 Collocated Interference Jari Jokela, Jing Zhu 08-991 Diagnostics D. Stanley 08-901 Event 08-987 FBMS A. Thomson 08-898 General 08-841 Multicast Diagnostics Alex Ashley 08-889 Location/Timing A. Thomson/Ganesh 08-897 Proxy ARP 08-866 Roaming Management Emily Qi 08-883 SleepMode 08-986 STA Statistics Y. Seok, G. Venkatsan 08-956 TFS 08-886 TIM Broadcast M. Wentink 08-967 Traffic Generation Moo-Ryong Jeong 08-990 Virtual AP D. Stanley, Qi Wang 08-993 TCLAS G. Venkatsan Channel Usage E. Qi 08-985 Resolutions # CID # remaining 8/19 1 8/26 25 7 (1 issue) Denver, 8/19 38 2 (2 issues) 8/20, Sept 48 2 (1 issue) 8/18 66 258 7 (3 issues) 8/12 29 91/16 0 17 Denver 9 14 8/19, 9/2 34 18 11 9/2 30 8/20 13 1 CID 73 Waikoloa 53 8 22 Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks Dorothy Stanley, Agere Systems
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TGv Schedule History Wireless Network Management SG formed – Jan 2004
January 2005 doc.: IEEE yy/xxxxr0 November 2008 TGv Schedule History Wireless Network Management SG formed – Jan 2004 Wireless Networks Management TG formed – Nov 2004 Call for proposals – Sept 2005 Base line accepted - January 06 Submissions addressing objectives - Started in March 06 TG Ad-Hoc Draft Internal Review - October 06 to present Internal review of Draft 0.05 – 446 comments (06/1615) Internal review of Draft 0.08 – 95 comments (07/0310) Internal review of Draft comments (07/0594) LB 108 Results: 132 yes -77 no -38 abstain, 63% approval, fails, comments in LB 123 Results: 126 yes, 62 no, 34 abstain, 67% approval, fails, comments in LB 133 Results: 106 yes, 47 no, 28 abstain, 69% approval, comments in Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks Dorothy Stanley, Agere Systems
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TGv Timeline – Updated Sept, 2008
January 2005 doc.: IEEE yy/xxxxr0 November 2008 TGv Timeline – Updated Sept, 2008 Initial Working Group Letter Ballot: July 07 – completed Jan 08 – D2.0, May 08 – D3.0 Re-circulation Working Group Letter Ballot: November 08 (D4.0) Mar 09 – D5.0, May 09 – D 6.0, July 09 – D7.0, D7.0(unchanged) Form Sponsor Ballot Pool: June 09 Initial Sponsor Ballot: Sept 09 Sept 09 Revcom Agenda Sept 09 – D7.0 Approved Sponsor Ballot: Nov 09 Nov 09 – D8.0, Jan 09 - D9.0, Feb D10.0, March D11.0, April D12.0 May 12th ( or so) for Revcom June Approval Final WG/EC Approval: July 2010 RevCom/Standards Board Approval: June 4th/June 5th(or so) Note: TGv PAR is authorized through Dec 2010 Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks Dorothy Stanley, Agere Systems
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TGv D3.0 Content Summary November 2008
January 2005 doc.: IEEE yy/xxxxr0 November 2008 TGv D3.0 Content Summary BSS Transition Management for Network Load Balancing Channel Usage Co-located Interference Reporting Diagnostic Reporting Event Reporting Flexible Broadcast/Multicast service Multicast Diagnostics Reporting Multiple BSSID Support Multiple SSID Proxy ARP Location, Timing Measurement TIM Broadcast TFS Sleep Mode Approximately 250 Pages of content Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks Dorothy Stanley, Agere Systems
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Known January Presentations
doc.: IEEE yy/xxxxr0 November 2008 Known January Presentations Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks Dorothy Stanley, Agere Systems
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January Meeting Planning
doc.: IEEE yy/xxxxr0 November 2008 January Meeting Planning Objectives Comment Resolution Hear Presentations Letter Ballot Conference Call(s) Jan 5 Ad-Hoc meeting January 7-9? January 12-14? Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks Dorothy Stanley, Agere Systems
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January 2005 doc.: IEEE yy/xxxxr0 November 2008 Motion 1 Move to adopt the agenda in v-November-2008-agenda. Mover: Seconder: Result: Unanimous Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks Dorothy Stanley, Agere Systems
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Straw poll 1 UTC time should be
January 2005 doc.: IEEE yy/xxxxr0 November 2008 Straw poll 1 UTC time should be Available generally (in Beacon, Probe Response) 5 Available only locally to Event Reports 6 Abstain -12 Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks Dorothy Stanley, Agere Systems
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Straw poll 2 I prefer the language in 1010r3 Option 1-3 Option 2 -0
January 2005 doc.: IEEE yy/xxxxr0 November 2008 Straw poll 2 I prefer the language in 1010r3 Option 1-3 Option 2 -0 Option 3 - 0 None of the above - 1 Abstain - 18 Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks Dorothy Stanley, Agere Systems
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January 2005 doc.: IEEE yy/xxxxr0 November 2008 Straw poll 3 The bit definition/concept indicated in should be added to the TGv draft Yes - 10 No - 6 Abstain 6 Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks Dorothy Stanley, Agere Systems
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January 2005 doc.: IEEE yy/xxxxr0 November 2008 Motion 2 Move to approve the meeting minutes in v-September-2008-Minutes-for-Task-Group-v and v-TGv-Sept-Oct-Nov-08-telecon- meeting-notes.doc. Mover: Ganesh Venkatesan Seconder: Emily Qi Result: Unanimous Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks Dorothy Stanley, Agere Systems
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Motion 3 Move to adopt TGv Draft 3.02 as the current TGv draft.
January 2005 doc.: IEEE yy/xxxxr0 November 2008 Motion 3 Move to adopt TGv Draft 3.02 as the current TGv draft. Mover: Allan Thomson Seconder: Ganesh Venkatesan Result: Unanimous Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks Dorothy Stanley, Agere Systems
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Motion 4 Move to adopt the indicated text changes in
January 2005 doc.: IEEE yy/xxxxr0 November 2008 Motion 4 Move to adopt the indicated text changes in v-d3-02-edits.doc into the TGv draft. Moved: Allan Thomson Seconded: Emily Qi Result Passes Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks Dorothy Stanley, Agere Systems
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Motion 5 Move to adopt the indicated text changes in
January 2005 doc.: IEEE yy/xxxxr0 November 2008 Motion 5 Move to adopt the indicated text changes in v-additional-TIM-CIDs into the TGv draft. Moved: Allan Thomson Seconded: Emily Qi Result Passes Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks Dorothy Stanley, Agere Systems
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January 2005 doc.: IEEE yy/xxxxr0 November 2008 Motion 6 Move to incorporate the changes in document v-proposed-resolution-for-cid423-et-al-on-ap-collaboration.doc into the TGv draft, and resolve CID 1274, as “counter”, with a comment resolution of “Incorporate text changes in ” and resolve CIDs 400, 1404, 1411 as “counter”, with a comment resolution of “see CID 1274” Moved: Bill Marshall Seconded: Joe Kwak Result Motion fails Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks Dorothy Stanley, Agere Systems
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January 2005 doc.: IEEE yy/xxxxr0 November 2008 Motion 7 Move to adopt the comment resolutions for the Diagnostics category comments indicated below, and include the indicated text changes into the TGv draft. CID 163, Counter, “Incorporate the text changes indicated in ” Moved: Allan Thomson Seconded: Brian Hart Result Motion passes Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks Dorothy Stanley, Agere Systems
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Motion 8 Move to adopt the indicated text changes in
January 2005 doc.: IEEE yy/xxxxr0 November 2008 Motion 8 Move to adopt the indicated text changes in v-Additional-Diagnostic Edits into the TGv draft. Moved: Allan Thomson Seconded: Emily Qi Result passes Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks Dorothy Stanley, Agere Systems
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Motion 9 November 2008 January 2005 doc.: IEEE 802.11-yy/xxxxr0
Move to adopt the indicated text changes into the TGv draft: In , change from When the IPv4 address being resolved in theARP request packet is used by a non-AP STA currently associated to the BSS, the Proxy ARP service shall respond to the request on behalf of the non-AP STA [RFC 925], unless the packet updates the HardwareAddress to Internet Address mapping. The Proxy ARP service also shall respond to Internet Control Message Protocol version 6 (ICMPv6) Neighbor Discovery packets on behalf of the non-AP STA, to support IPv6 services [RFC 2461], unless the packet updates the Hardware Address to Internet Address mapping. .to When the IPv4 address being resolved in theARP request packet is used by a non-AP STA currently associated to the BSS, the Proxy ARP service shall respond to the request on behalf of the non-AP STA [RFC 925]. The Proxy ARP service also shall respond to Internet Control Message Protocol version 6 (ICMPv6) Neighbor Discovery packets on behalf of the non-AP STA, to support IPv6 services [RFC 2461]. Moved: Allan Thomson Seconded: Dave Stephenson Result Passes Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks Dorothy Stanley, Agere Systems
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January 2005 doc.: IEEE yy/xxxxr0 November 2008 Motion 10 Move to adopt the comment resolutions for the Traffic Generation category comment indicated below: CID 73 – Declined, “Incorporate the resolution in , and add “The commenter is invited to submit additional clarifying text” Moved: Fujio Watanabe Seconded: Emily Qi Result Unanimous Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks Dorothy Stanley, Agere Systems
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January 2005 doc.: IEEE yy/xxxxr0 November 2008 Motion 11 Move to adopt the comment resolutions for the Timing Measurement category comments indicated below, and include the indicated text changes into the TGv draft. (Timing Measurement) - All accepted, counter and declined comments and normative text changes in Moved: Ganesh Venkatesan Seconded: Emily Qi Result – Motion Passes Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks Dorothy Stanley, Agere Systems
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January 2005 doc.: IEEE yy/xxxxr0 November 2008 Motion Move to adopt the comment resolutions for the Diagnostics category comment indicated below, and include the indicated text changes into the TGv draft. CID 227 – Counter, “Incorporate the text changes indicated in ” Moved: Seconded: Result Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks Dorothy Stanley, Agere Systems
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January 2005 doc.: IEEE yy/xxxxr0 November 2008 Motion Move to adopt the comment resolutions for the Event category comments indicated below, and include the indicated text changes into the TGv draft. CID 1227, 1328 – Counter, “Incorporate the text changes indicated in ” Moved: Seconded: Result Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks Dorothy Stanley, Agere Systems
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January 2005 doc.: IEEE yy/xxxxr0 November 2008 Motion Move to adopt the comment resolutions for the General category comments indicated below, and include the indicated text changes into the TGv draft. CIDs 1239, 1257 – Counter, “Incorporate the text changes indicated in ” Moved: Seconded: Result Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks Dorothy Stanley, Agere Systems
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January 2005 doc.: IEEE yy/xxxxr0 November 2008 Motion Move to adopt the comment resolutions for the General category comments indicated below, and include the indicated text changes into the TGv draft. CID 251 –Counter, “Incorporate the text changes indicated in ” CIDs 252,253,254,313 – Counter, “See CID 251” Moved: Seconded: Result Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks Dorothy Stanley, Agere Systems
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January 2005 doc.: IEEE yy/xxxxr0 November 2008 Motion Move to adopt the comment resolutions for the Co-located Interference category comments indicated below, and include the indicated text changes into the TGv draft. CID 302 – Counter, “Incorporate the text changes indicated in ” CIDs 303 through 308 – “ See CID 302” Moved: Seconded: Result Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks Dorothy Stanley, Agere Systems
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January 2005 doc.: IEEE yy/xxxxr0 November 2008 Motion Move to adopt the comment resolutions for the Co-located Interference category comments indicated below, and include the indicated text changes into the TGv draft. CID 302 – Accept, “Remove Co-located Interference Request Frame format and any references” CIDs 303 through 308 – “ See CID 302” Moved: Seconded: Result Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks Dorothy Stanley, Agere Systems
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January 2005 doc.: IEEE yy/xxxxr0 November 2008 Motion Move to adopt the comment resolutions for the Co-located Interference category comments indicated below, and include the indicated text changes into the TGv draft. CID 302 – Reject, “The TG adopted the collocated interference capability to enable the STA to provide an indication of collocated interference that may be present, and the TG believes that this capabilitiy is complete and sufficient. The need for additional specification of transmit inhibition is not clear. The examples cited in include the case when ACK is used; however when ACK is used, there is no difference between the receive and transmit interference. Another example is for broadcast/multicast. However, with MC/BC – there is no need for the AP to know that transmitter is inhibited, unless all stations would have the same exact inhibition. Another example is when delayed ACK and Block ACK are used. However, Delayed ACK, Regular Block ACK are still sent, or are sent at a pre-defined delay time. Not clear how the AP can schedule to use this information. RX/TX provides an even higher layer of granularity, creating a false expectation on the part of the user. ” CIDs 303 through 308 – “ See CID 302” Moved: Seconded: Result Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks Dorothy Stanley, Agere Systems
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Motion November 2008 January 2005 doc.: IEEE 802.11-yy/xxxxr0
Move to adopt the comment resolutions for the General category comments indicated below CID 1274 – In September, the TG considered adopting the text in ; The motion to adopt the text failed, Concerns include: Synchronous voice and video will be suppressed, without the ability for codecs to compensate. Codecs improve performance to adapt to the links. Legacy 2.4 GHz STAs (including dual-mode cell phones) will not honor the Quiet element, and many do not have a dot11SpectrumManagementEnabled MIB variable. No provision for asynchronous MIB changes among the APs is provided - with bad radio links, how do the incremental MIB changes affect BSS operation during the MIB changes - how does QoS work while the dot11APCEntry surpression tables are being changed, and when dot11xxxAPCollaborationEnabled changes value, how to calculate and communicate the new TCLAS? No exceptions to suppression in order to meet regulatory requirements like E-9-1-1 No exceptions to suppression when operating in shared bands - to report radar, change channel, DSE, etc. In November, the TG considered adopting the text in ; The motion to adopt the text failed, Concerns include: Insufficient explanation of the experimental and simulation results for the multiple AP cases regarding MOS scores and number of APs, offered load, station load. Behavior in the presence of more than 2 APs; note that the typical enterprise case has many more than 2 APs. Radar avoidance issues. Failure to address synchronization issues between APs, specifically clock drift. No detail provided on performance of AP collaboration in the presence of an AP that is not a collaborating AP. Reason from one voter: “I do not want to add to the standard if I do not understand the mechanism that caused the throughput reduction when uncoordinated APs are used. To be convinced to support this resolution I would need to see a convincing explanation of why throughput reduction occurs (assuming it is not hidden nodes) – not just a measurement on a single type of device from a single vendor. Such an explanation would allow me to judge if the proposed coordination mechanism would actually solve the problem, would solve it better than alternate approaches and would not –in different scenarios– actually degrades performance. “ Moved: Seconded: Result Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks Dorothy Stanley, Agere Systems
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Motion Move to authorize a TGv Teleconference January 6, 13
doc.: IEEE yy/xxxxr0 November 2008 Motion Move to authorize a TGv Teleconference January 6, 13 Noon Eastern for 2 hours. Mover: Seconder: Result: Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks Dorothy Stanley, Agere Systems
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Motion Move to authorize a TGv Ad-hoc meeting date, place, hosted by
January 2005 doc.: IEEE yy/xxxxr0 November 2008 Motion Move to authorize a TGv Ad-hoc meeting date, place, hosted by Mover: Seconder: Result: Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks Dorothy Stanley, Agere Systems
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Motion Move to instruct the editor to Mover: Seconder: Result:
January 2005 doc.: IEEE yy/xxxxr0 November 2008 Motion Move to instruct the editor to Close any remaining unapproved comments with the disposition “Declined” and the Resolution “TGv believes that it needs additional input through a WG Letter Ballot” Mover: Seconder: Result: Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks Dorothy Stanley, Agere Systems
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Motion Move Mover: Seconder: Result:
January 2005 doc.: IEEE yy/xxxxr0 November 2008 Motion Move To request the WG chair to conduct a 15-day confirmation ballot on TGv Draft D3.04, and To request the Working Group to renumber TGv Draft D3.04, if the confirmation ballot succeeds, as D4.0 and authorize a 30-day Letter Ballot. Mover: Seconder: Result: Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks Dorothy Stanley, Agere Systems
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Motion Move Mover: Seconder: Result:
January 2005 doc.: IEEE yy/xxxxr0 November 2008 Motion Move To request the WG chair to conduct a 30-day Letter Ballot on TGv Draft D4.0, asking the question “Should TGv Draft 4.0 be forwarded to Sponsor Ballot?” Mover: Seconder: Result: Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks Dorothy Stanley, Agere Systems
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Straw Poll The TGv xx feature should Be mandatory in the PICS
January 2005 doc.: IEEE yy/xxxxr0 November 2008 Straw Poll The TGv xx feature should Be mandatory in the PICS Be optional in the PICS No opinion Dorothy Stanley, Aruba Networks Dorothy Stanley, Agere Systems
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References November 2008 January 2005 doc.: IEEE 802.11-yy/xxxxr0
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