1. 802.24 Vertical Applications TAG
November 2018 Closing Report
Bangkok, Thailand
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

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Overview
Officers
TAG Chair: Tim Godfrey
Secretary & TAG Vice Chair: Ben Rolfe
Task Groups
Smart Grid TG Tim Godfrey
IoT TG Chris DiMinico
26 Voting Members
Agenda:
Meetings for the Week
Tuesday PM
Wednesday PM
Thursday PM
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3. Agenda – 802.24-18-0024r4 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
Agenda - November 2018, Bangkok, Thailand 1
Tuesday PM2 session
1.1
Call session to order, present “Guidelines for IEEE SA meetings”, Quorum
Godfrey 5
4:00 PM
1.2
Review of Agenda / Approval of Agenda
4:05 PM
1.3
Approve minutes from prior TAG meeting
4:10 PM
1.4
Introduction/meeting objectives / Review action items from previous meeting
4:15 PM
1.5
Liaison Review 15
4:20 PM
1.6
Smart Grid Task Group
4:35 PM
1.7
ITU and regulatory items
Godfrey/Holcomb
1.8
Review and resolve comments on TSN White Paper comment collection
4:50 PM
1.9
New Activity Planning
5:05 PM 2
Recess
2.1
Joint Meeting with TSN
Godfrey/Farkas 30
6:00 PM
Wednesday PM2 session
Call to Order TAG
DiMinico
2.2
Discussion on "Network Integration" action item from EC leadership meeting
4:30 PM
2.3
Call to Order IoT Task Group
5:00 PM
2.4
Liaison Coordinator's Report
2.5
Collaboration (informal liaison) with Wi-Fi Alliance on IoT Use Cases)
DiMinico/Godfrey
5:15 PM
2.6
Review of IoT white paper development
5:30 PM
2.7
Discussion on plan and new activities for IoT task group and broader engagement
5:45 PM
2.8 3
Thursday PM2 session
3.1
Call to Order Smart Grid Task Group
3.2
Comments and feedback from NIST on Smart Grid Wireless Standards Matrix
3.3
Any incoming comments from IEEE PES PSCC S6 Task Force regarding contribution to "Standards for integrating Home Automation IoT to Power Utilities Communication System"
3.4
Liasion Discussion of IEC SEG8 report "Monitoring and impact assessment of emerging technologies and architectures"
4:45 PM
3.5
Coordination with on g and ah Coexistence project
Godfrey/Rolfe 20
3.6
New Action Items, New Activities, AOB 10
5:35 PM
3.7
Adjourn
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4. 802.24 TAG Approve September minutes TAG Action Items from September:
Approved with unanimous consent
TAG Action Items from September:
Send Sub-1GHz white paper back to Tanya at IEEE for publishing. Completed
Farrokh Khatibi will provide introduction to ATIS group for liaison - Pending
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5. Sub 1 GHz White Paper
Returned to Tanya at IEEE with approval to publish
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6. Tuesday
Smart Grid TG
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7. ITU and Radio Regulatory Items
Update from – Jay Holcomb
Discussion
1.4 GHz spectrum recently announced is being used for telemetry in oil/gas industry with s
Traditional license model – geographic ownership
Part 90
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8. TSN White Paper
802.1 TSN interested parties joining for this meeting slot
Comment Collection
The TAG and TSN TG solicit comments on sgtg "Utility Applications of Time Sensitive Networking White Paper"
Comment submittal spreadsheet provided
Combined Comments Document
None submitted
Updated White Paper
Version with comments: sgtg
Clean Version D2: sgtg
Extend call for comments until next joint meeting March 2019
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9. New Activity: “Low latency” White Paper
Achieving low latency with IEEE 802 standards
Including wired and wireless communications
An alternative (or complement) to 5G URLLC
A set of vertical applications enabled by low latency
The challenges of reliable low latency in unlicensed spectrum.
Adapting TSN’s “FRER” feature
Adapting 802 wireless to licensed spectrum?
Operating over multiple bands or channels?
Special cases for high data rates for immersive video
Several people interested in contributing
Action:
Post call for contributions
Start reviewing contributions in January
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10. “Network Integration” action item
Action assigned from 802 EC leadership conference in July.
Discussion on role and positioning of IEEE 802 in standards, especially with respect to 3GPP and the publicity on “5G”
What is meant by Network Integration?
Does the IEEE 802 architecture provide a unique value to vertical market?
Is IEEE 802 more suited to deployment in the communication infrastructure of private enterprise, industry, and the individual user? (Compared to 3GPP, which is more oriented towards service providers?)
The IEEE 802 architecture enables networks that are like Ethernet: Well understood, mature, predictable. A “cleaner” integration of disparate technologies under the common architecture and addressing.
Can we develop a clearer definition and description of this distinction and the value for the user / implementer?
Can this be developed into a white paper?
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11. Contribution
Thoughts on IEEE 802 network integration with respect to P802.1CF r0
Max Riegel
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12. Discussion on Network Integration
Based on many discussions of the place of in 5G.
5G SC
Conclusions – AANI integrating into 5G domain. Nothing corresponding in 3GPP
Industry connections – NENDICA
Flexible Factory IoT, Data Center Bridging
What’s missing – a picture of 802 as a peer to 5G
5G promises they will do “everything”
But, they don’t do anything wired
5G requires an extensive PLMN to support it.
It is designed to help the cellular operator grow their market
Verticals might not want an operator in the middle of their network
Value proposition: 802 networks are customer-owned
Example – Santa Clara Emergency services issues
Next steps – develop contribution and notes into an outline for possible white paper
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13. 802.24.2 Status and development of IoT White paper
Ludwig is developing some related materials.
Can we pull new developments from P2413 into this white paper?
Start Single Pair Ethernet white paper through IEEE process r0
Comment collection on reflector
TIA and IEC standards related to SPE and IoT
TIA TR42 report to 802.3, ISO IEC SC25
Power over Ethernet – UL and NEC are getting involved
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14. Wireless Matrix Feedback and questions have come in from SEPA and NIST
IEEE Std ah:
Revised column based on ah-2016
IEEE Std , ac, n:
Revised column heading
IEEE HRP-UWB – Reviewed column and edited
Uploaded commented version:
sgtg-wireless-characteristics-matrix-update Draft-dot24edits.xlsx
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15. Liaison with IEC SEG8 Scope of SEG8:
Assess, provide an overview and prioritization of the evolution of technical development and standardization in the field of communication technologies and architectures
The report includes aspects relevant to both Smart Grid and IoT.
Document shared in Private Area
IEC_SEG8_Deliverable2_draft_181118_ext_clean.pdf
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16. IEC SEG8 Document review and discussion
Key chapters relevant to input from
IoT Technologies
Single-pair Ethernet (SPE)
Deterministic Networking
Low-Power Wide-Area Networks (LPWAN)
V2V, V2I, V2P and V2N communication technologies
Updated version uploaded to private area with annotations
IEC_SEG8_Deliverable2_draft_181118_ext_(dot24 annotations ).pdf
Call for other 802 WGs to participate in review and provide comments
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17. 802.24 TAG closing Action Items from this meeting Any New Business?
Put Sub 1 GHz white paper on web site
Update Call for Comments on TSN
Call for comments on SEG8 document
Any New Business?
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