1. 802.24 Vertical Applications TAG
July 2017 Meeting
Berlin, Germany
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

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Overview
Officers
TAG Chair: Tim Godfrey
Secretary & TAG Vice Chair: Ben Rolfe
Task Groups
Smart Grid TG Tim Godfrey
IoT TG Chris DiMinico
34 Voting Members
Agenda:
Meetings for the Week
Monday PM
Tuesday PM
Wednesday PM Starting at 4:30 in TSN room
Thursday PM
Manual attendance tracking for & members
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3. Wednesday PM2 session (Meeting with 802.1 TSN)
Agenda
Agenda - July 2017, Berlin, Germany 1
Monday PM2 session
1.1
Call session to order, present “Guidelines for IEEE SA meetings”, Quorum
Godfrey 5
4:00 PM
1.2
Review of Agenda / Approval of Agenda
4:05 PM
1.3
Approve May TAG minutes
4:10 PM
1.4
Introduction/meeting objectives / Review action items from previous meeting
4:15 PM
1.5
Industry Connections and IEEE process for releasing/publishing white papers
Godfrey / Goldberg 15
4:20 PM
1.6
Smart Grid Task Group
4:35 PM
1.7
ITU and regulatory items
Godfrey/Lynch/Kennedy 10
1.8
IEEE Smart Grid Advisory Group
4:45 PM
1.9
Updating SGIP PAP2 Wireless Matrix sgtg 30
4:55 PM
1.10
Review of TSN Utility Use Cases sgtg
5:25 PM
1.11
Recess
5:55 PM 2
Tuesday PM2 session
2.1
Call to Order
DiMinico
2.2
IoT Task Group business
2.3
Liaison Coordinator's Report
Diab 20
2.4
Update from Automotive Tutorial Team
2.5
Review and plan IoT white paper development 45
4:50 PM
2.6
5:35 PM 3
Wednesday PM2 session (Meeting with TSN)
3.1
4:30 PM
3.2
Meet with TSN on White Paper for Time Sensitive Networks for Grid Modernization
Godfrey / Parsons 60
3.3
5:30 PM 4
Thursday PM2 session
4.1
4.2
Review of P2413 draft
DiMinico / Winkel 90
4.3
Adjourn TAG
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

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6. Monday: 802.24 TAG Approve May minutes TAG Action Items from March:
TAG Action Items from March:
Wael: Initiate Liaison with Wi-Fi Alliance IoT TG
Tim– plan additional meeting slot for 24.2 in Berlin to discuss the P2413 draft.
Follow up by to 24.2 leadership: Invite automotive tutorial team to participate.
Tim: Wireless Matrix: Coordinate with to find spectral efficiency details ( exchange with Osama)
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7. Coordination with Industry Connections:
Regularly examine (or liaison with) IC Committee to determine if we want to be involved with any existing IC activities.
Plan of action: Check in by regularly (before plenary meetings) on status with the IC Committee
Activity in Berlin:
Tuesday Evening 19:00
IEEE 802 Network Enhancements Industry Connections Activity
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

8. Publicizing White Paper Releases
Develop procedure for back end of white papers – coordinate with Jonathan Goldberg
Action to take up in July – propose a draft process, and get agreement from IEEE
Press Releases
Standards association newsletter
External press releases
Emulate what 802.1, are doing
External publications, conferences, etc
Liaison reports to WGs
Include relevant details from external liaisons
Expand liaisons to and 802.3
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

9. Monday
Smart Grid TG
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

10. ITU and Radio Regulatory Items
No regulatory items related to currently known.
Discussion
Should there be new bands with new types of licensing models? Would be a good question for to discuss.
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

11. IEEE Smart Grid Technical Activities Committee
Since May I have joined the committee
Chaired by Stefano Galli
From Stefano:
“Within the IEEE Smart Grid Technical Activities  Committee, we are writing a White paper on smart metering. The focus of this white paper will be on the deployed comms standards, from power line, to wireless cellular to meshed networking to whatever…”
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

12. Finalize PAP2 Wireless Matrix
Current Status:
Latest version r6
SEPA/SGIP Study Group has been formed for Matrix update
will provide updated data for 802 standards
Will reach out to other standards’ contributors for any updates
Ultimately, will be forwarded to NIST as an updated addendum to NISTIR 7761 r1
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

13. Notes on Editing
Y23: Need to determine spectral efficiency and formula
Assigned to Osama Aboul Magd in
Need to verify peak vs channel (MAC) data rates for and columns
Clint P, Apurva M
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14. SEPA/SGIP update WG Membership currently Tim Godfrey EPRI
Ron Cunningham AEP
Doug Gray TCS
Bill Godwin Duke Energy
Matt Gilmore Itron
Nada Golmie NIST
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15. TSN Utility Use Cases Preparation for Wednesday Joint Meeting
Draft current version: r3
Note: Wednesday meeting slot is with TSN only
No meeting in this room
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

16. Future Opportunities Tracking
At plenary meetings – review upcoming needs and opportunities for projects.
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

17. Future Opportunities Tracking (1)
white paper on IoT and P2413?
Maybe more towards completion of P2413?
Agnostic to underlying communications, but applicable to all 802 standards.
Highlight the relationship between P2413 and 802 standards.
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

18. Future Opportunities Tracking (2)
ULI
Eventually, we can explain how it relates to the rest of 802, and better integration. Well defined ways of integrating.
Take this up when there is a draft
s SMR – spectrum management resources
Can provide an input with respect to Smart Grid or IoT?
IEC 65C WG 17 dealing with coexistence management and spectrum policy
ETSI TCRRS reconfigurable radio systems
ETSI TCERM WG 41 – defining a central coordination point to handle spectrum.
Sharing and increasing coexistence and providing better QoS
Coordinate with
Action Plan:
Coordinate with ULI initiative
4s resource management is defined, but now how they are used
White paper could cover how adaptation and resource management are accomplished.
Including use of metrics for management.
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

19. Future Opportunities Tracking (3)
Are there any new utility industry activities or organizations that could benefit from a liaison to ?
Useful Output: Identify the use cases that the standards serve, and provide them to the industry.
That can then define who is an appropriate liaison
Need to educate and inform liaisons to gather needs and requirements with respect to IEEE 802 projects. Identify the tools we have available, and present the available toolbox.
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

20. Future Opportunities Tracking (4)
March 2017 Discussion on IG DEP
Explore collaboration with 802.3
Explore collaboration with
Consider Licensed spectrum.
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

21. Other Future Opportunities
Monitor the LPWAN IG in to see where it goes (and links to IETF)
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

22. Tuesday IoT TG
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23. Tuesday: 802.24.2 802.24.2 Liaison Coordinator's Report
Wael Diab
IIC Liaison Report
Any new liaison requests
Request to explore liaison with Wi-Fi Alliance IoT Group.
will initiate the liaison request
(Action Wael)
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

24. 802.24.2 P2413 Liaison Report Relationship to 24.2 IoT White Paper
Ludwig Winkel
Relationship to 24.2 IoT White Paper
Can be use to explain to the 802 community how 802 fits into the overall IoT architecture
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

25. 802.24.2 Review and plan IoT white paper development
Chris DiMinico
Discussion on IoT White Paper Draft
Contributions towards IoT White Paper
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

26. Wednesday 802.24.1 Smart Grid TG TSN Working Session
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

27. Teleconference Review
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

28. Outline of TSN white paper
Version Teleconference r3
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

29. Wednesday 802.24.2 IoT TG P2413 Review
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

30. Review of P2413 Draft Key points for 802.24
Relationships to IEEE 802 standards
Opportunities for feedback to 802 WGs
Opportunities for feedback to P2413
Impact on IoT White Paper
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

31. 802.24 TAG closing Capture action Items from this meeting
Any New Business?
Tim Godfrey, EPRI