1. 802.24 Vertical Applications TAG
July 2018 Meeting
San Diego, CA, USA
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Officers
TAG Chair: Tim Godfrey
Secretary & TAG Vice Chair: Ben Rolfe
Task Groups
Smart Grid TG Tim Godfrey
IoT TG Chris DiMinico
27 Voting Members
Agenda:
Meetings for the Week
Tuesday PM
Wednesday PM
Thursday PM
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3. Agenda – 802.24-18-0015r2 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
Agenda - July 2018, San Diego, CA 1
Tuesday PM2 session
1.1
Call session to order, present “Guidelines for IEEE SA meetings”, Quorum
Godfrey 5
4:00 PM
1.2
Review of Agenda / Approval of Agenda
4:05 PM
1.3
Approve minutes from prior TAG meeting
4:10 PM
1.4
Introduction/meeting objectives / Review action items from previous meeting
4:15 PM
1.5
Smart Grid Task Group
4:20 PM
1.6
ITU and regulatory items
Godfrey/Holcomb 15
1.7
Liaison Review 10
4:35 PM
1.8
New project and activities review 20
4:45 PM
1.9
Development and Editing of TSN White Paper
5:05 PM
1.10
Recess to move to Seaport F for TSN
5:25 PM
1.11
Meet with TSN on White Paper for Time Sensitive Networks for Grid Modernization (Seaport F)
Godfrey / Farkos 30
5:30 PM 2
Wednesday PM2 session
2.1
Call to Order Task Group
2.2
802.11ah and g (SUN) coexistence (any follow up from )
Godfrey/Rolfe
2.3
Discussion on activities related to Nendica
Godfrey/Marks
2.4
Review comments and feedback from IEEE editors on Sub 1-GHz white paper
4:40 PM
2.5
Discuss incoming comments from IEEE PES PSCC S6 Task Force regarding contribution to "Standards for integrating Home Automation IoT to Power Utilities Communication System"
4:55 PM
2.6
Recess
5:15 PM
Thursday PM2 session
Call to Order IoT Task Group
DiMinico
Liaison Coordinator's Report
DiMinico/Diab
Collaboration (informal liaison) with Wi-Fi Alliance on IoT Use Cases)
DiMinico/Godfrey
4:30 PM
Review of IoT white paper development 45
New Action Items, AOB
Adjourn
5:40 PM
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7. 802.24 TAG Approve May minutes TAG Action Items from May: 24-18-0014r0
None
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8. Liaison Pending liaison requests Resolution
Establish Liaison with Wi-Fi Alliance IoT Market Segment Group.
Resolution
Based on discussion with Chair Dorothy Stanley, there are no formal liaisons established with WFA. There is informal exchange of information and documents as needed
We will progress on the same basis.
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9. Liaison with IEC SEG8 Scope of SEG8: Liaison Request drafted in May
Assess, provide an overview and prioritization of the evolution of technical development and standardization in the field of communication technologies and architectures
Liaison Request drafted in May
Approved and send to SEG8 at this meeting
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10. Tuesday
Smart Grid TG
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11. ITU and Radio Regulatory Items
Update from
From May meeting
Any action on FCC notice on 3.7 – 4.2 GHz? Sharing rules similar to CBRS?
Implication of CBRS rules for Smart Grid FANs - topic for white paper?
OFCOM – question on IoT – is it OK to not have special bands for IoT.
In general, IoT is now handled in ISM and commercial licensed spectrum.
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12. Future Opportunities Tracking
At plenary meetings – review upcoming needs and opportunities for projects.
Are there any new utility industry activities or organizations that could benefit from a liaison to ?
ATIS is developing spreadsheet to classify IoT services, and their characteristics, and communication link requirements. Establish a liaison with that group.
Potentially have a liaison request by September meeting
Can we progress or expand the activities of the IoT Task Group?
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

13. Future Opportunities Tracking (.2)
white paper on IoT and P2413?
Maybe more towards completion of P2413?
Agnostic to underlying communications, but applicable to all 802 standards.
Highlight the relationship between P2413 and 802 standards
Discuss in
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14. Future Opportunities Tracking
ULI
Incorporating features from RP which are currently used in utility networking into ULI standard
Some other areas of potential interest
Develop use cases and examples of an integrated multi-802 network including Explain the 48/64 bit bridging issues and solutions.
Still in development (review again at end of 2018)
s SMR – spectrum management resources
Can provide an input with respect to Smart Grid or IoT?
IEC 65C WG 17 dealing with coexistence management and spectrum policy
ETSI TCRRS reconfigurable radio systems
ETSI TCERM WG 41 – defining a central coordination point to handle spectrum.
Sharing and increasing coexistence and providing better QoS
Nov 2017:
May be useful for dynamic radio management identified by utilities as import for future network deployments
4s resource management is defined, but now how they are used
White paper could cover how adaptation and resource management are accomplished.
Including use of metrics for management. Cross-standard application of metrics
Dynamic adaptability of networks in the same spectrum as other 802 standards
Compare and contrast with link adaptation in other 802 standards
July 2018
Managing radios and link adaptation – a common issue across different radio types.
Is 4s providing needed measurements? Can 2-way power control be leveraged in grid applications?
Can this standard be used as a “sensor” to understand how to best use 915 MHz ISM?
Could we create an “application guide” for applying 15.4s in sub-1GHz spectrum? Better sharing/coex?
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

15. Other Future Opportunities
w LPWAN (and links to IETF)
An 802-based alternative to proprietary LPWAN’s
White paper to compare and contrast with other LPWAN technologies?
See where IG-DEP goes.
Many use cases presented already covered by 802 standards
Potential application in utility networks for extremely hard to reach endpoints
Extremely low power use cases may be of interest to utility applications
Participation required to steer to useful work
Applying new bands and channel plans
u and v completed. Add bands in various regions for existing PHYs commonly used in smart grid.
Action:
Early 2019: Plan update of first white paper to address latest amendments of w, x, y
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

16. TSN White Paper Draft nearing content-complete
Updated document r12 uploaded to Mentor following May meeting.
Resolve embedded comments and gaps, notify TSN of updated draft.
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

17. Joint meeting with 802.1 TSN Seaport F 2nd Level Start at 17:30
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18. Wednesday 802.24.1 Smart Grid TG
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19. 802.15.4g and 802.11ah Coexistence Feedback and actions from 802.19 IG
IG will develop recommendations: (options)
1) changing one or both standards (new features in .11 S1G or SUN)
2) could create guidelines for coex (e.g. how to parameterize the standards)
Also need to consider other Sub-1GHz band occupants.
Action Plan for as moves from SG to TG
will develop a whitepaper/document for application-specific use cases. Identifying where each standard is most suitable, and how to make best use of other changes.
Identify use cases where g is not sufficient and both are needed
Could be choices of applications, channel guidelines, duty cycle,
Avoid perception that 802 standards are unable to coexist
Evaluate and describe potential application-level implications of delay/latency increases due to mutual interference
If NS-3 simulation models can be shared, others in IEEE 802 could progress that work.
MERL will share simulation models on Github. New modules for 11ah 15.4g
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

20. Nendica
IEEE 802 network enhancements for the next decade Industry Connections Activity Initiation Document (ICAID)
NENDICA develops reports on specific topics. Completed data centers.
Distributed Radio Access Networks
802.1 standard for intra-base station (TSN for fronthaul) (could it apply to ?)
Perhaps there are aspects of this TSN that can serve vertical applications?
Second work item: Flexible Factory IoT – apply TSN
can provide review and feedback.
Coordinated, distributed, network management
Provide guidance on factory applications and the requirements for wireless TSN
Potential activities
Identify vertical applications that could be enabled by TSN features
Identify vertical application that could be enabled if TSN features were present in wireless standards
Can interfaces between wired and wireless map application-specific streams?
Provide vertical application requirements (needs, underlying problems) to Nendica. Nendica is linked with –
Describing what is needed to define a common framework for TSN across wired and wireless standards. How do they fit together.
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

21. Sub 1 GHz White Paper Review “802.24 TAG white paper_edits.docx”
Continue addressing comments and questions on ownership and rights of wireless matrix
Jonathan Goldberg and Katherine Berger will provide guidance on NIST permission process
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22. IEEE PSCC TF S6
January 2018 Study Report – "Standards for integrating Home Automation IoT to Power Utilities Communication Systems“
TAG comments and contributions from March plenary meeting have been provided back to TF S6 chair
TF S6 had face to face meeting during IEEE 802 May Interim.
Request for feedback has been sent
Review any comments sent back to us.
Tim Godfrey, EPRI

23. Thursday IoT TG
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24. Tuesday: 802.24.2 802.24.2 Liaison Coordinator's Report
Wael Diab (if not in attendance discuss finding a new person)
Chris nominates Peter Jones
Prior liaison requests
Wi-Fi Alliance – IoT Task Group
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25. 802.24.2 Status and development of IoT White paper
Ludwig is developing some related materials.
Start Single Pair Ethernet white paper through IEEE process r0
Comment collection on reflector
TIA and IEC standards related to SPE and IoT
TIA TR42 report to 802.3, ISO IEC SC25
Power over Ethernet – UL and NEC are getting involved
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26. 802.24 TAG closing Action Items from this meeting Any New Business?
Farrokh Khatibi will provide introduction to ATIS group for liaison on classifying IoT services, and their characteristics, and communication link requirements
Establish Liaison with IEC SC25 for single pair ethernet. Chris will base on IEC SEG 8 request
Call for Comments on TSN and SPE white papers
Request Ludwig Winkel to provide P2413 Update in September
Request IoT Use Cases from Wi-Fi Alliance IoT MSTG
Any New Business?
Tim Godfrey, EPRI