Thinking Outside of the Box: Applying to Out of State Schools Eileen Doyle Crane PLANC National Conference Boston, MA June 11, 2004

Thinking Outside of the Box: Applying to Out-of-State Schools Main Issues: Main Issues: Future Employment Opportunities Future Employment Opportunities Regional vs. National Schools Regional vs. National Schools Quality of Life Issues Quality of Life Issues

Thinking Outside of the Box: Applying to Out-of-State Schools Methodology to Resolve Issues: Methodology to Resolve Issues: Collect information Collect information Identify important school characteristics Identify important school characteristics Mobility Mobility Cost of attendance and living Cost of attendance and living Special programs Special programs Alumni support for new law grads Alumni support for new law grads Personal visits to school and region Personal visits to school and region

Thinking Outside of the Box: Applying to Out-of-State Schools Collect Pertinent Information Collect Pertinent Information ABA/LSAC Official Guide: ABA/LSAC Official Guide: NAPLA/SAPLA Book of Lists NAPLA/SAPLA Book of Lists Law Placement Data from NALP: Law Placement Data from NALP: Cities Ranked and Rated Cities Ranked and Rated

Thinking Outside of the Box: Applying to Out-of-State Schools Identify Important School Characteristics Identify Important School Characteristics LSAC and Law School Websites LSAC and Law School Websites Catalogues + other external information Catalogues + other external information Researching Law Schools form and spreadsheet Researching Law Schools form and spreadsheet

Thinking Outside of the Box: Applying to Out-of-State Schools Mobility Mobility Official Guide to ABA-Approved Law Schools: Bar Passage—states/percentage Bar Passage—states/percentage Placement Data—states/foreign countries Placement Data—states/foreign countries Judicial Clerkships—number/percentage Judicial Clerkships—number/percentage Cities Rated: Quality of Life Issues

Thinking Outside of the Box: Applying to Out-of-State Schools Cost Cost Tuition: In-state vs. Out-of-state Tuition: In-state vs. Out-of-state Placement Statistics Placement Statistics Special Programs Special Programs Alumni Association Support Alumni Association Support

Thinking Outside of the Box: Applying to Out-of-State Schools Evaluating Law School Programs Evaluating Law School Programs Clinics Clinics Law Journals & Publications Law Journals & Publications Special Programs Special Programs Joint Degrees Joint Degrees

Thinking Outside of the Box: Applying to Out-of-State Schools Alumni Associations Alumni Associations Law School Outreach: Law School Outreach: Loyalty, service to school by former graduates Loyalty, service to school by former graduates Career Services Offices Career Services Offices ESPN News: ND alumni associations ESPN News: ND alumni associations 224 groups 224 groups 22 countries 22 countries Lists of former students: database Lists of former students: database