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1 Professor J.P. “Sandy” Ogilvy & Sudeb Basu, Esq.

2 Schools with Externships ABA- accredited law schools Schools responding to survey Schools with externship program Schools with for-credit externship 2007-2009200190 2002-2003186112108N/A 1992-199317668N/A58 1

3 Student Involvement in Externships MinMaxAverageMedianMode Numbers of students: 2007-2009 Survey (2011 ABA-LSAC) Full-time(7)(621)119 (118)79 (104)125 (33) Part-time(1)(637)35 (28)15 (16)7 (8) Estimated percentages: Full-time20%13%21% Part-time20%9%4% CSALE - All students 11-20%1-10% CSALE voluntary participation over J.D. career: 26-30% (median) 2

4 Max Externship Credits  CSALE Mode: 12; next most common: 6, 8, 10, 15  Max derived from ABA Standards: ~18  No other 305(a) activities  Assumes minimum permitted total instruction time  Related metric (CSALE): Repeat(s) of same course  Usual term of one semester  44% permit repeat(s)  Majority of the 44% cap at one or two repeats RangeAverageMedian 2(?) to 2112 3

5 Externship Course Credits (616 courses  1426) 4

6 Low, Mid, and High Credit Externship Courses (%) Low Credit 5

7 Remote Placements  Yes / Maybe: 68% (358 of 528 courses)  Some “yes” responses qualified, e.g.  60 only in summer  6 emphasized ability to conduct site visit  27 limited to in-state, Tex-Mex border, etc. Courses responding “NO” Other courses responding # schools 2007-200932% of 52868%63 2002-200375% of 27025%44 6

8 Organization Types  See ABA Standard 305 & Interpretation 305-3  80% (431 of 540 courses) with restriction  Most common is to “not-for-profit” organization  CSALE: 88.6% of courses with restriction  Not-for-profit (38%)  Government (33.5%)  No private firms (21.8%)  Judicial (19%)  2002-2003: 81% (231 of 269 courses) with restriction  No restriction as to organization type  33 schools, cf. 15 (2002-2003)  20% of courses, cf. 14% (2002-2003) 7

9 Subject Matter or Setting Restrictions  80% of course names, cf. 59% in 2002-2003  CSALE data (some overlap with “organization type”):  Judicial (11.4%)  Public interest organization (7.9%)  Government (7.4%)  Criminal prosecution (6.9%)  General litigation (5.8%)  Criminal defense (5.3%) 8

10 Hours of Fieldwork Required for One Credit MIN MEDIAN 9

11 Use of Classroom Component, vs. Total Course Credits Percentage w/ classroom Gap # of courses with classroom component 10

12 Classroom Component vs. Course Credits See 2005 ABA Standard 305(e)(7) (“other means of guided reflection”) 11

13 Number of Separate Class Credit(s) Awarded 665 courses total 490 with a classroom component 230 awarding separate classroom credits Number of separate classroom credits awarded “Substantive law class with field component” % Average & Median Mode 12

14 Class Time (hrs/semester) 13

15 Topical Use of Class Time Ranked 2007-2009CSALE2002-2003 Lawyering skills143 Substantive / procedural law211 Student reflection334 Professional roles & responsibility 425 Other activities51 Legal process66 Legal institutions76 Career choices88 14 1 = Most frequent use of class time 8 = Least frequent use of class time

16 Classroom Teaching Methods by Time in Use 2007-20092002-2003 Lecture / discussion11 Other Methods22 Student facilitation34 Student presentations43 Guest speakers55 15 1 = Most frequently used teaching method 5 = Least frequently used teaching method

17 Instructional Materials Ranked 2007-20092002-20031992-1993 Compiled materials11 Other materials25 Published text331 Both text & compiled materials 42 No materials4 16 1 = Most frequently used instructional material 5 = Least frequently used instructional material

18 Journaling CreditsMeanMedianModeRange 1-416 (9.49)14 1-65 (1-50) 1-616 (10)14 (12)141-65 (1-50) 5-613 (11.5)14 1-65 (1-16) 7-1015 (11.8)13 (14)143-65 (5-14) 11-1521 (13.7)14 2-65 (3-35) 07-09 data (any differing 02-03 data) About two-thirds of externship courses require journaling (02-03, 07- 09, and CSALE agree) 17

19 Grading – Courses with Class Component 02-03: 240 courses 07-09: 490 courses 18

20 Externship Faculty Status Tenured N/AN/A 19

21 Administrative Support Staff Coordinator Faculty Admin 20

22 Evaluation of Courses 21

23 Use of Site Visits vs. Course Credit(s) 22


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