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1 Are Drug Pricing Formulas Full Employment Acts For State Attorney Generals? Gerard Anderson PhD Professor Johns Hopkins University

2 Lake Wobegon Syndrome : How Can Everyone Be Getting A Better Deal? U.S. vs. Other Countries U.S. vs. Other Countries Medicaid vs. Other Payors Medicaid vs. Other Payors Maryland vs. California Maryland vs. California Maryland Medicaid vs. Maryland Prisons Maryland Medicaid vs. Maryland Prisons

3 Economics 101 – Fixed vs. Variable Costs Fixed Costs Fixed Costs costs that must be incurred regardless of number of units sold costs that must be incurred regardless of number of units sold Variable Costs Variable Costs costs of producing one additional unit costs of producing one additional unit Examples Examples Fixed - plant and equipment or R & D Fixed - plant and equipment or R & D Variable - materials Variable - materials

4 Fixed Costs Decline As Number of Units Increase

5 Variable Costs First Decrease and Then Increase

6 Standard Economic Theory – Price Determined By Where Variable Cost is Lowest - Fixed Costs are Irrelevant Firms Produce Where Variable Cost is Lowest

7 In Reality –Fixed Costs Matter Pharmaceutical companies could not exist if everyone only paid only the variable cost Pharmaceutical companies could not exist if everyone only paid only the variable cost

8 Most Pharmaceutical Spending Involves Fixed Costs Marketing: 32.8% Marketing: 32.8% Costs of Goods Sold: 25.3% Costs of Goods Sold: 25.3% Profit: 20.6% Profit: 20.6% R & D: 14% R & D: 14% Taxes: 7.3% Taxes: 7.3%

9 $64,000 Policy Question Who should pay the fixed costs of pharmaceutical companies? Who should pay the fixed costs of pharmaceutical companies? U.S. vs. other counties U.S. vs. other counties Medicaid vs. other payors Medicaid vs. other payors Maryland vs. California Maryland vs. California Maryland Medicaid vs. Maryland Prisons Maryland Medicaid vs. Maryland Prisons

10 Who Is Paying The Fixed Costs? U.S. pays twice as much as other countries U.S. pays twice as much as other countries Almost 2 to 1 difference in government payors: Almost 2 to 1 difference in government payors: Medicare Medicare 340 B 340 B Medicaid Medicaid VA VA DoD DoD Some states pay 3 times what other states pay Some states pay 3 times what other states pay Significant variation within state programs Significant variation within state programs

11 Policy Issue – Spillover Effects If payor (e.g. Medicaid) gets a lower price then will other payors have to make up the difference? If payor (e.g. Medicaid) gets a lower price then will other payors have to make up the difference? One economic assumption: One economic assumption: Pharmaceutical companies will be able to raise prices to other payors (programs) to cover their fixed costs Pharmaceutical companies will be able to raise prices to other payors (programs) to cover their fixed costs Alternative economic assumption: Alternative economic assumption: Each payor (program) negotiates the best price independently of what other payors (programs) pay Each payor (program) negotiates the best price independently of what other payors (programs) pay

12 My Perspective On Spillover Effects Each pharmaceutical executive will want to maximize the revenue from each payor (program) Each pharmaceutical executive will want to maximize the revenue from each payor (program) Result is that states need an economic not just a legal rationale for getting low drug prices Result is that states need an economic not just a legal rationale for getting low drug prices

13 Full Employment for Attorney Generals Without an economic rationale companies will try to maximize revenue in Medicaid by “ gaming ” the system Without an economic rationale companies will try to maximize revenue in Medicaid by “ gaming ” the system

14 Unlike Most Goods and Services the Consumer Is Not King In Pharmaceutical Pricing Physicians must prescribe drugs Physicians must prescribe drugs Hospitals, nursing homes, HHAs use formularies Hospitals, nursing homes, HHAs use formularies Pharmacies can push drugs that earn them greater profits Pharmacies can push drugs that earn them greater profits Patients pay small portion of bill out-of- pocket Patients pay small portion of bill out-of- pocket

15 Medicaid is NOT the Entity Purchasing Prescription Drugs

16 Remember the Spread Spread is the difference between pharmacy (hospital, LTC, HHA) purchase price and what Medicaid believes is the purchase price Spread is the difference between pharmacy (hospital, LTC, HHA) purchase price and what Medicaid believes is the purchase price In 2002 CBO calculated that pharmacies earned the following spreads in Medicaid In 2002 CBO calculated that pharmacies earned the following spreads in Medicaid 23% overall 23% overall 30% generics 30% generics 14% brand names 14% brand names

17 What Are The Economic Incentives? Drug companies want pharmacies to earn the most money on their drugs so they will prescribe them Drug companies want pharmacies to earn the most money on their drugs so they will prescribe them Pharmacies will want to prescribe drugs that earn them the most money Pharmacies will want to prescribe drugs that earn them the most money Both drug companies and pharmacies benefit when the spread is greater Both drug companies and pharmacies benefit when the spread is greater Medicaid loses when the spread is larger Medicaid loses when the spread is larger

18 Trust Me I Am From Pharma The source of all the pricing data is the pharmaceutical companies The source of all the pricing data is the pharmaceutical companies AWP, AMP, ASP, EAC, FUL, MAC, WAC AWP, AMP, ASP, EAC, FUL, MAC, WAC

19 AMP and Best Price Average Manufacturers Price (AMP) is supposedly what a drug company receives for a drug in a given quarter from retail pharmacies Average Manufacturers Price (AMP) is supposedly what a drug company receives for a drug in a given quarter from retail pharmacies Best price is supposedly the lowest price in retail pharmacies Best price is supposedly the lowest price in retail pharmacies Medicaid rebates are determined based on difference Medicaid rebates are determined based on difference How can any state validate either best or AMP? How can any state validate either best or AMP?

20 Auditing CMS investigated pharmaceutical company reported data on only 4 occasions over a 10 year period according to GAO CMS investigated pharmaceutical company reported data on only 4 occasions over a 10 year period according to GAO

21 Lake Wobegon Rebates are difficult to monitor when the pharmaceutical industry has all the data Rebates are difficult to monitor when the pharmaceutical industry has all the data Not every state can be getting the best deal Not every state can be getting the best deal Some states pay almost 5 times more for the same drug Some states pay almost 5 times more for the same drug

22 Price Transparency Find out the actual prices other payors are paying for the same drugs Find out the actual prices other payors are paying for the same drugs U.S. vs. Other Countries U.S. vs. Other Countries Medicaid vs. Other Payors Medicaid vs. Other Payors Maryland vs. California Maryland vs. California Maryland Medicaid vs. Maryland Prisons Maryland Medicaid vs. Maryland Prisons

23 Comparative Data Allows A Bully Pulpit With comparative price data states can see where they are getting a good deal and when they are paying higher prices With comparative price data states can see where they are getting a good deal and when they are paying higher prices Must be done on a drug by drug basis Must be done on a drug by drug basis States can then focus their negotiations on the prices of drugs where they pay much higher prices States can then focus their negotiations on the prices of drugs where they pay much higher prices

24 Conclusion Who is going to pay the fixed costs of the pharmaceutical industry? Who is going to pay the fixed costs of the pharmaceutical industry? Gaming will occur without an economic rationale for discounts and rebates Gaming will occur without an economic rationale for discounts and rebates Cannot rely on pharmaceutical companies for all the data to determine prices Cannot rely on pharmaceutical companies for all the data to determine prices Price transparency will tell states when they are getting a good deal Price transparency will tell states when they are getting a good deal


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