2. Review Trinitarian Proof

3. Today The Relationship within the Trinity: The Father and Son

4. Creeds of Christendom The Apostles Creed

5. The Apostles Creed (cir. ?)  I believe in God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth.  And in Jesus Christ his only Son our Lord; who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, dead, and buried; he descended into hell* the third day he rose again from the dead; he ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty; from thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.  I believe in the Holy Ghost; the holy catholic Church; the communion of saints; the forgiveness of sins; the resurrection of the body; and the life everlasting. AMEN.

6. Why “Father”?  Giver of Life  Ruler of Nations (Isaiah 9:6)  Filial* Relationship  A child to a parent, not of essence, but role

7. John 14-17  The Oneness of the Father and Son (14:7-15)  The relationship of the Father and Son (17:1-26)  The procession of the Son from the Father (16:28 {8:42})

8. The Oneness of The Father and Son John 10 John 14 John 17

9. What does the “Oneness” make you think of? Hear, O Israel! The Lord is our God, the Lord is one! Deut. 6:4

10. The Relationship of The Father and Son John 10 John 14 John 17

12. The Procession of the Son from the Father Roles“Begotten”

13. Roles  Who is Jesus to the Father?  What does Jesus do for the Father?  How does Jesus approach the Father?  A Son (Mark 1:1)  Obey (Phil. 2:8; Heb. 3:2 & 6)  Submission (John 12:49; John 17)

14. Roles

15. “Begotten”  John 3:16  Monogenes –  Mono – “one” + Gennao - “made/born”  Mono – “One” + Gennao – “deem unique/ deem classified”  Lewis and the “Making vs. Beggeting”  Place of the “First Son”  Eternal Sonship vs. Incarnational Sonship

16. A Big Question Eternal Sonship or Incarnational Sonship: “Procession Helps”

17. Some ways of ProcessionSome ways of Procession  Theophanies  Incarnation  Glorification  Second Advent  Appearances of God – proposing, “of Christ”  The Appearance in Flesh  Transfiguration and Second Advent  Glorious Return

18. So, let’s take a look at Theophanies

19. Theophanies  Appearances Gen. 17:1ff; 18:1ff; Exodus 6:2-3  Angel of the Lord (Gen 16:6ff; 22:11ff; Ex 3:2ff; Numbers 22:22ff; 1 Kings 19:7ff)  Judges (10+ times)  Psalm 34:7  Psalm 355-6  Daniel 3:19-30  Abraham & the Covenant; Appeared, but not by that Name  Angel of the Lord (LORD)  LORD  Rack, Shack & Benny

20. Daniel 3:19-30Daniel 3:19-30  3 men  4 men  Son of the gods  Most High God

21. Incarnational or Eternal Sonship? Eternal