1. TGu Agenda Date: 2005-11-14 Authors: November 2005 November 2005
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2. November 2005
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Abstract
Agenda for TGu Interworking with External Networks for November 2005, Vancouver, British Colombia, Canada.
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3. Monday Ad-Hoc 14 November 2005, 08:00 – 09:30
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Monday Ad-Hoc 14 November 2005, 08:00 – 09:30
Call to Order
Attendance Sheet (for Ad Hoc session)
Review of Task Group Documents (what next)
Scenarios and assumptions – r7
Requirements Document – r3
Review of Down Selection Procedure
Draft document – r1
Is it required?
What next?
Call for Proposals Discussion
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Stephen McCann, Siemens Roke Manor

4. Tuesday I 15 November 2005, 10:30 – 12:30 Call to Order
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Tuesday I 15 November 2005, 10:30 – 12:30
Call to Order
Attendance Register
802 registration desk
Sign once per day between 07:30 – 17:30
Mark attended sessions in IEEE
Review IEEE 802 and Policies and Procedures
Intellectual Property
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Stephen McCann, Siemens Roke Manor

5. IEEE-SA Standards Board Bylaws on Patents in Standards
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IEEE-SA Standards Board Bylaws on Patents in Standards
6. Patents
IEEE standards may include the known use of patent(s), including patent applications, provided the IEEE receives assurance from the patent holder or applicant with respect to patents essential for compliance with both mandatory and optional portions of the standard. This assurance shall be provided without coercion and prior to approval of the standard (or reaffirmation when a patent becomes known after initial approval of the standard). This assurance shall be a letter that is in the form of either
a) A general disclaimer to the effect that the patentee will not enforce any of its present or future patent(s) whose use would be required to implement the proposed IEEE standard against any person or entity using the patent(s) to comply with the standard or
b) A statement that a license will be made available without compensation or under reasonable rates, with reasonable terms and conditions that are demonstrably free of any unfair discrimination
This assurance shall apply, at a minimum, from the date of the standard's approval to the date of the standard's withdrawal and is irrevocable during that period.
Approved by IEEE-SA Standards Board – December 2002
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6. Patent Committee Ruling – January 6, 2005
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Patent Committee Ruling – January 6, 2005
At the December 2004 meeting of the IEEE-SA Standards Board Patent Committee (PatCom), Paul Nikolich (Chair, 802) on behalf of Stuart Kerry (Chair, )led discussion on an agenda item titled 'Discussion of P802.11n Protest'. You noted that some members of the P802.11n working group requested a clarification of policy from PatCom regarding what would be acceptable to discuss during a working group technical presentation, regarding patent information/statements. PatCom is charged with providing oversight for the use of patents and patent information in IEEE Standards. PatCom is also charged with reviewing patent information submitted to the IEEE Standards Department to determine conformity with patent procedures and guidelines. As empowered by the IEEE-SA Standards Board Bylaws, PatCom has reviewed the information presented and rendered its decision by interpreting the policies and procedures of the IEEE and the IEEE-SA relevant to the issues. In regards to the presentation of information to a standards development group, PatCom has decided the following: 1. After a patent letter of assurance (LoA) has been accepted by PatCom, it is allowable for a presenter to state that an LoA has been filed by a Patent Holder, accepted by PatCom, and listed in the online listing of LoAs at Anyone seeking a copy of the accepted LoA should contact the PatCom Administrator. 2. Discussion of the content of accepted, submitted, or proposed LoAs is prohibited. 3. Discussion of licensing terms and conditions is prohibited.
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7. Inappropriate Topics for IEEE TG Meetings
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Inappropriate Topics for IEEE TG Meetings
Don’t discuss licensing terms or conditions
Don’t discuss product pricing, territorial restrictions or market share
Don’t discuss ongoing litigation or threatened litigation
Don’t be silent if inappropriate topics are discussed… do formally object.
If you have questions,
contact the IEEE Patent Committee Administrator at
Approved by IEEE-SA Standards Board – December 2002
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Stephen McCann, Siemens Roke Manor

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Meeting Etiquette
"Individuals are to address the comments of others only, not the person"
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Stephen McCann, Siemens Roke Manor

9. Tuesday I (cont.) 15 November 2005, 10:30 – 12:30
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Tuesday I (cont.) 15 November 2005, 10:30 – 12:30
Minutes
Approval of Minutes of September 2005 meeting
u-minutes-september-2005.doc
Approve Agenda
Overview of last TGu meeting
u-closing-report.ppt
Decisions from Monday’s Ad-Hoc
Down Selection
Call for Proposals
Open issues
u-open-issues.ppt
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Stephen McCann, Siemens Roke Manor

10. Tuesday II 15 November 2005, 13:30 – 15:30
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Tuesday II 15 November 2005, 13:30 – 15:30
RFC 1321 ordering selection procedure
British Colombia Lottery Results from November 12th
Pre-Proposal Presentations
B. Huawei/Intel/Cingular
A. Siemens ( r1)
D. Panasonic ( r0)
E. STMicroelectronics ( r0)
C. FMCA ( r0)
G. Root Inc ( r0)
F. Nokia ( r0)
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Stephen McCann, Siemens Roke Manor

11. Wednesday 16 November 2005, 13:30 – 15:30
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Wednesday 16 November 2005, 13:30 – 15:30
Joint Session with IEEE
IEEE requirements document
IEEE u specific .21 requirements
Discussion about REQ d16M2
Can these be merged into the same thing?
IEEE expectations
Timelines (IEEE u and IEEE )
3GPP2 liaison statement
Way forward
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Stephen McCann, Siemens Roke Manor

12. Thursday I 17 November 2005, 08:00 – 10:00
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Thursday I 17 November 2005, 08:00 – 10:00
08:00 – 09:00 - Joint Session with IEEE v
E911 Issues
r0 (Mike)
r0 (Dorothy)
r0 (Alistair)
Virtual AP
09:00 – 10:00 – Joint Session with IEEE
If required continuation of Wednesdays meeting
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Stephen McCann, Siemens Roke Manor

13. Thursday II 17 November 2005, 10:30 – 12:30
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Thursday II 17 November 2005, 10:30 – 12:30
Task Group Document motions
xxx u-document-motions.ppt
Teleconference requirements
Timeline document review
u-timeline.ppt
Preparation for January 2006 Interim Meeting
Call for Proposals
Respond to incoming liaisons
Informal proposal presentations
Joint sessions?
AOB
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Stephen McCann, Siemens Roke Manor