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1 September 2008 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 802.11aa – Robust Audio Video Transport Streaming Los Angeles, CA Opening Report Date: Authors: Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd

2 September 2008 November 2007 doc.: IEEE /2752r1 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 Abstract This submission summarizes TGaa goals and agenda for the IEEE Los Angeles, CA meeting (Jan 2011) Slide 2 Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Page 2 Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems

3 Snapshot Goals for the Los Angeles Meeting:
September 2008 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 Snapshot Goals for the Los Angeles Meeting: Resolve LB170 comments and approve corresponding resolutions Start recirculation letter ballot with Draft 3.0 Plan for joint meeting with 802.1AVB in March 2011 Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd

4 Opening Report Nov 2010 November 2007 September 2008
doc.: IEEE /2752r1 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 Opening Report Slide 4 Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Page 4 Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems

5 Attendance Recording - 802.11
September 2008 November 2007 doc.: IEEE /2752r1 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 Attendance Recording Sign-in at “newton” is a local server, not reachable via a VPN “newton” is active only during sessions First “sign in” to provide contact information Only name and affiliation may be posted publicly, as per IEEE rules No other personal information will be publicly available Second, log attendance Sign In Slide 5 Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Page 5 Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems

6 As a Courtesy To Others …
September 2008 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 July 2010 As a Courtesy To Others … PLEASE switch your Mobile Phones OFF, or to VIBRATE Alert, remember to MUTE your PC also please ! "Our thanks to all those people who now use Headsets !” The use of Audio and / or Video recording of any meeting is Specifically Prohibited as per the WG Policies and Procedures. This is mandated by the IEEE-SASB in the OpManual Still photography is only permitted by a public request and permission of the meeting membership via the WG Chair, and is not for commercial purposes, also mandated by IEEE-SASB in the OpManual Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd

7 September 2008 November 2007 doc.: IEEE /2752r1 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 July 2010 802.11aa – Jan 2011 Policies and Procedures, Attendance reminder: **IEEE Patent Policy ***Affiliation FAQ - Anti-Trust FAQ - Ethics - IEEE Policies and Procedures - IEEE 802 Policies and Procedures - ** Read slide deck *** Note especially items #7 & #11 Slide 7 Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Page 7 Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems

8 Technical Presentations
September 2008 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 July 2010 Technical Presentations Document number Title Author(s) 1 11/0065r3, 10/1424r10 MRG for Mesh Ivan Pustogarov 2 11/0019r0, 11/0020r1 Synchronization of HCCA APs in OBSS Graham Smith 3 10/1068r0 AP Protected TXOP Negotiation Alex Ashley, Dan Harkins 4 10/1445r2 Splitting GCR from DMS Alex Ashley 5 11/0158r0 Proposed resolution for CID #1307 6 11/0161r1 GCR Sequence Numbers 7 11/0058r0 Proposed Text for Channel Selection Procedure Graham Smith and Alex Ashley 8 11/0165r0 Context and Straw poll for CID #1170 Ganesh Venkatesan 9 11/0168 Joint Meeting Preparation Slide 8 Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd

9 TGaa Agenda Nov 2010 Monday AM2 – Park Wednesday PM2 – Directors-I
September 2008 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 TGaa Agenda Monday AM2 – Park Administrivia Agenda for the week (plan and review) Should 3.0 rebase to mb? CID #1021 Motions to approve non-contentious comment resolutions LB170 Comment Resolutions – open comments Wednesday PM2 – Directors-I Administrivia Room Request for Singapore meeting Revisit Interworking Comments Open OBSS Comments (2) Open SCS Comments (1) GCR for Mesh Thursday AM1 – Administrivia Open OBSS Comment #1169 Group Addressed Delivery Service Open SCS comment #1170 Motion for sequence numbers (motion-21) Motion 11/158r0 Monday Eve – Park Administrivia LB170 Open GCRComment – Split DMS/GCR LB170 Open Interworking Comments (3) Co-ordination with TGac (DEI) Tuesday PM1 – Directors-I Administrivia Motions to approve comment resolutions LB170 Open Miscellaneous Comments (General) (1) Thursday AM2 – Administrivia Comments that do not have a motion (14/18) Preparation for the joint meeting with 802.1AVB Teleconference Schedule Motions Timeline Review and Update Review Closing Report Adjourn Wednesday AM1 – Directors-I Administrivia Split DMS/GCR LB170 Open OBSS Comments (5) LB170 Open SCS Comments (8) GCR for Mesh Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd

10 LB170 Comment Snapshot (as of 1/16/2011)
September 2008 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 LB170 Comment Snapshot (as of 1/16/2011) Open/Needs Discussion Accept Principle Declined Unassigned Total Editor 1 12 2 17 GCR 45 81 23 150 General Interworking 3 14 9 29 OBSS 4 28 44 22 98 SCS 8 10 32 18 109 148 52 327 Remaining % Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd

11 LB170 Comment Snapshot (close of AM1 1/19/2011)
September 2008 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 LB170 Comment Snapshot (close of AM1 1/19/2011) Comment Group Open/Needs Discussion Accept Principle Declined Total Approved_Editor 12 3 2 17 Approved_GCR 45 81 22 148 Approved_General 1 Approved_Interworking 14 11 4 29 Approved_OBSS 28 47 20 95 Approved_SCS 18 31 GCR OBSS SCS 6 110 160 51 327 Remaining % Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd

12 Joint meeting with 802.1AVB in March 2011
September 2008 November 2007 doc.: IEEE /2752r1 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 Joint meeting with 802.1AVB in March 2011 How to deal with STA-Bridge issue? Specific details on k/v traffic stream statistic reports Overview of aa MRG (now known as GCR) MaxRes for Slide 12 Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Page 12 Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems

13 September 2008 November 2007 doc.: IEEE /2752r1 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 Motion-1 Move to instruct the TGaa Technical Editor to renumber the clauses in aa D2.01 to use the latest TGmb clause numbering, excluding clauses added by 11v and 11u. Moved: Alex Ashley Second: Graham Smith Motion passes unanimously. Slide 13 Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Page 13 Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems

14 September 2008 November 2007 doc.: IEEE /2752r1 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 Motion-2 Move to approve the editor sheet in document 10/1447r1 excluding CID #1193 and instruct the TGaa Technical Editor to incorporate the corresponding changes in the next draft of P802.11aa. Moved: Alex Ashley Second: Graham Smith Y/N/A 8/0/5 Motion Passes. Slide 14 Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Page 14 Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems

15 September 2008 November 2007 doc.: IEEE /2752r1 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 Straw Poll-1 Should we consider co-operating OBSS APs to establish a AP Peer key between them in order to protect action frames exchanged between them? Y 8 N 0 A 8 Slide 15 Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Page 15 Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems

16 September 2008 November 2007 doc.: IEEE /2752r1 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 Straw Poll-2 Which of the following approaches do you prefer to amend TGaa in order to support “GCR for Mesh”? Defined Groupcast transmitter and Groupcast receiver and use them in the rest of the text? (1) Selectively replace AP with “AP or transmitting mesh STA” and non-AP STA with “non-AP STA or receiving mesh STA”, where appropriate? (2) (c) Undecided (6) Slide 16 Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Page 16 Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems

17 Motion-3 Move to approve the following teleconference schedule:
September 2008 November 2007 doc.: IEEE /2752r1 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 Motion-3 Move to approve the following teleconference schedule: Weekly Monday Hrs ET Feb 14, 21, 28; Mar 07, 2011 Approved with unanimous consent. Slide 17 Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Page 17 Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems

18 Minutes review Dallas Meeting minutes (10/1333r0)
September 2008 November 2007 doc.: IEEE /2752r1 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 Minutes review Dallas Meeting minutes (10/1333r0) Teleconference Minutes (11/0006r2) Slide 18 Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Page 18 Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems

19 Motion-4 Move to approve TGaa Dallas Meeting minutes – 10/1333r0.
September 2008 November 2007 doc.: IEEE /2752r1 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 Motion-4 Move to approve TGaa Dallas Meeting minutes – 10/1333r0. Approved with unanimous consent. Slide 19 Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Page 19 Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems

20 September 2008 November 2007 doc.: IEEE /2752r1 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 Motion-5 Move to approve Nov Jan, 2011 Teleconference minutes (document 11/0006r2). Approved with unanimous consent. Slide 20 Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Page 20 Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems

21 September 2008 November 2007 doc.: IEEE /2752r1 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 Motion-6 Move to approve all comments in the spreadsheet labeled ‘SCS’ in document 10/1441r5 with a resolution status set to ‘D’, ‘A’ or ‘P’; CID #1230 set to Accept in Principle and instruct the TGaa editor to incorporate the corresponding changes to the next draft Moved: Alex Ashley Second: Graham Smith Motion Passes 5/0/3 Slide 21 Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Page 21 Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems

22 September 2008 November 2007 doc.: IEEE /2752r1 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 Motion-7 Move to approve all comment resolutions in the spreadsheet labeled ‘OBSS’ in document 10/1441r5 with a resolution status set to ‘D’, ‘A’ or ‘P’ and change ‘aa??’ in the resolution to CID #1175 with the appropriate value while applying the resolution, except the following CIDs: 1169, 1159, 1072, and 1251, and instruct the TGaa editor to incorporate the corresponding changes to the next draft Moved: Alex Ashley Second: Graham Smith Motion Passes 4/0/3 Slide 22 Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Page 22 Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems

23 September 2008 November 2007 doc.: IEEE /2752r1 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 Motion-8 Move to approve all comment resolutions in the spreadsheet labeled ‘Interworking’ in document 10/1441r6 and instruct the TGaa editor to incorporate the corresponding changes to the next draft Moved: Ganesh Venkatesan Second: Graham Smith Motion Passes 5/0/3 Slide 23 Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Page 23 Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems

24 September 2008 November 2007 doc.: IEEE /2752r1 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 Motion-9 Move to approve all comment resolutions in the spreadsheet labeled ‘General’ in document 10/1441r6 and instruct the TGaa editor to incorporate the corresponding changes to the next draft Moved: Graham Smith Second: Alex Ashley Motion Passes 5/0/3 Slide 24 Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Page 24 Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems

25 September 2008 November 2007 doc.: IEEE /2752r1 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 Motion-10 Move to approve all comments in the spreadsheet labeled ‘GCR’ in document 10/1441r6 with the exception of CID #1216 and #1316, and instruct the TGaa editor to incorporate the corresponding changes to the next draft Moved: Alex Ashley Second: Graham Smith Motion Passes 5/0/3 Slide 25 Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Page 25 Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems

26 September 2008 November 2007 doc.: IEEE /2752r1 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 Straw Poll-3 Do you prefer splitting DMS and GCR as separate mechanisms for reliable groupcast in TGaa? Y: 1 N: 5 Abstain: 6 Slide 26 Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Page 26 Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems

27 Motion-11 Moved: Brian Hart Second: Graham Smith Motion Passes 5/0/6
September 2008 November 2007 doc.: IEEE /2752r1 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 Motion-11 Move to Accept CID #1316 in principle Retain GCR as a single feature that includes DMS and GCR Introduce a generic name that encompasses DMS and GCR techniques to accomplish reliable multicast Moved: Brian Hart Second: Graham Smith Motion Passes 5/0/6 Slide 27 Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Page 27 Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems

28 Motion-12 Moved: Graham Smith Second: Alexander Safonov
September 2008 November 2007 doc.: IEEE /2752r1 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 Motion-12 Move to adopt document 11/0020r1 as resolution to CID #1159, CID #1072 and CID #1254 and instruct the TGaa Technical Editor to incorporate the corresponding changes in the next draft. Moved: Graham Smith Second: Alexander Safonov Motion Passes 6/0/2 Slide 28 Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Page 28 Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems

29 Motion-13 Moved: Graham Smith Second: Alexander Safonov
September 2008 November 2007 doc.: IEEE /2752r1 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 Motion-13 Move to adopt document 11/0058r0 as resolution to CID #1249 and CID #1251 and instruct the TGaa Technical Editor to incorporate the corresponding changes in the next draft. Moved: Graham Smith Second: Alexander Safonov Motion Passes 7/0/0 Slide 29 Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Page 29 Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems

30 Motion-14 Moved: David Hunter Second: Alex Ashley
September 2008 November 2007 doc.: IEEE /2752r1 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 Motion-14 Move to adopt resolutions to comments CID #1262, CID #1135 and CID #1190 in document 10/1441r9 and instruct the TGaa Technical Editor to incorporate the resolutions in the next draft Moved: David Hunter Second: Alex Ashley Result: 7/0/0 Motion Passes Slide 30 Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Page 30 Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems

31 Motion-15 Moved: Alex Ashley Second: Graham Smith
September 2008 November 2007 doc.: IEEE /2752r1 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 Motion-15 Move to adopt resolutions to comments CID #1307 and CID #1189 in document 10/1441r7 and instruct the TGaa Technical Editor to incorporate the resolutions in the next draft Moved: Alex Ashley Second: Graham Smith Result: 7/0/4 Motion passes. Slide 31 Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Page 31 Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems

32 Motion-16 – covered by Motion-15
September 2008 November 2007 doc.: IEEE /2752r1 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 Motion-16 – covered by Motion-15 Move to approve document 11/0158r1 and instruct the TGaa Technical Editor to incorporate the resolutions in the next draft Moved: Second: Result: Slide 32 Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Page 32 Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems

33 Motion-17 Moved: Ivan Pustogarov (IITP RAS) Second: Alexander Safonov
September 2008 November 2007 doc.: IEEE /2752r1 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 Motion-17 Move to approve document 10/1424r10 and instruct the TGaa Technical Editor to incorporate the text changes into the next draft Moved: Ivan Pustogarov (IITP RAS) Second: Alexander Safonov Result: 8/0/2 Motion Passes Slide 33 Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Page 33 Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems

34 Motion-18 Moved: Graham Smith Second: David Hunter
September 2008 November 2007 doc.: IEEE /2752r1 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 Motion-18 Move to approve resolutions to CID #1010, CID#1011, CID #1048, CID #1167, CID #1070 and CID #1161 in document 10/1441r9 and instruct the TGaa Technical Editor to incorporate the corresponding changes into the next draft Moved: Graham Smith Second: David Hunter Result: 7/0/0 Motion Passes Slide 34 Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Page 34 Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems

35 Motion-19 Moved: Dan Harkins Second: Alex Ashley
September 2008 November 2007 doc.: IEEE /2752r1 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 Motion-19 Move to approve document 10/1068r1 (as resolution to CID #1169 and CID#1021) with the following additions: Add the PICS entries “AVT6.4 Protected QLoad Report <Clause Number> AVT6:O “AVT7.2 Protected HCCA TXOP negotiation <Clause Number> AVT7:O and instruct the TGaa Technical Editor to incorporate the changes into the next draft Moved: Dan Harkins Second: Alex Ashley Result: 7/0/2 Motion Passes Slide 35 Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Page 35 Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems

36 Straw Poll-4 Which of the following generic names do you prefer?
September 2008 November 2007 doc.: IEEE /2752r1 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 Straw Poll-4 Which of the following generic names do you prefer? Group Addressed Transmission Service x x x Group Addressed Distribution Service x x x x x x Extended Multicast Service x x x x Slide 36 Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Page 36 Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems

37 Motion-20 Nov 2010 Moved: David Hunter Seconded: Alex Ashley
September 2008 November 2007 doc.: IEEE /2752r1 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 Motion-20 Move to instruct the TGaa Technical Editor to incorporate the following in the next draft: Change “ Directed Multicast Service and Groupcast with Retries DMS Procedure” to “ Group Addressed Transmission Service” Add the following description to :  The Group Addressed Transmission Service provides delivery of group addressed frames and comprises the two services, DMS and GCR. Add the following definition to clause 2: Group Addressed Transmission Service: A mechanism comprising directed multicast service and groupcast with retries, for delivery of group addressed frames. Moved: David Hunter Seconded: Alex Ashley Result: 10/0/1 Motion Passes Slide 37 Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Page 37 Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems

38 September 2008 November 2007 doc.: IEEE /2752r1 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 Motion-21 Move to approve document 11/0161r1 with the change to the last paragraph in page-2 “When the AP updates the retransmission policy, the AP should shall set the Last Sequence Control field …” (delete the word should and replace it with shall) and instruct the TGaa Technical Editor to incorporate the text changes in the next draft Moved: Alex Ashley Second: Graham Smith Result: 9/0/2 Motion Passes Slide 38 Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Page 38 Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems

39 September 2008 November 2007 doc.: IEEE /2752r1 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 Motion-22 Having approved comment resolutions for all of the comments received from LB170 on P802.11aa D2.0 as contained in document 10/1441r9, Instruct the editor to prepare Draft3.0 incorporating these resolutions and, Approve a 15-day Working Group Recirculation Ballot asking the question “Should P802.11aa D3.0 be forwarded to Sponsor Ballot?” Moved: Graham Smith Seconded: David Hunter Result: 7/0/0 Motion Passes. Slide 39 Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Page 39 Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems

40 September 2008 November 2007 doc.: IEEE /2752r1 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 Motion-23 Move to decline all comments listed in document 10/1441r9 that have a blank resolution status with the resolution of “The TG requires another recirculation ballot to gain feedback from the WG on this topic.” Mover: David Hunter Seconder: Alex Ashley Result: Passes with unanimous consent. Slide 40 Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Page 40 Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems

41 March 2011 meeting room request
September 2008 November 2007 doc.: IEEE /2752r1 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Nov 2010 March 2011 meeting room request Draft 3.0 Recirculation Comment Resolution Request 7 sessions at least one that does not conflict with TGac, one with FIA, one with SmartGrid and one with TGae Slide 41 Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Page 41 Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems

42 Timeline Discussion First Recirculation -- Sep 10, 2010
September 2008 November 2007 doc.: IEEE /2752r1 doc.: IEEE /1003r0 Sep 2010 Timeline Discussion First Recirculation -- Sep 10, 2010 Plan for 3-4 recirculations Form Sponsor pool – Mar 2011 MEC Done – Aug 2011 Start Sponsor Ballot – Sep 2011 First Sponsor Recirc – Nov 2011 Sponsor Ballot done (final WG approval) – Mar 2012 Final or conditional 802 EC approval – Mar 2012 RevCom/SA approval -- June 2012 (need to line up with appropriate RevCom/SA meeting dates) Slide 42 Ganesh Venkatesan, Intel Corporation et al Page 42 Alex Ashley, NDS Ltd Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems


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