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1 Fouls and Scoring Situations
Revised 1 Aug 09 M. Pasenelli CACPFO Rules Interpreter

2 Our Mission: To know what the enforcement rules are for fouls during scoring situations and to demonstrate our knowledge of those rules by answering the situations correctly

3 Agenda Field Goal—no change from 2008
Successful Try—no change from 2008 Touchdown—major change from 2008

4 Carry Over Fouls If there is a foul committed by the opponents of the scoring team, the penalty may be carried over to the succeeding spot or to the subsequent kickoff for field goals, tries and touchdowns (8-2-2, 8-3-5, 8-4-3) There are no carry over provisions for safeties

5 Definitions: Succeeding Spots
Situation Regulation Overtime Field Goal Kickoff Next Series Try Touchdown New definition: subsequent kickoff (8-2-2). So, when do you have a touchdown and no subsequent kickoff?

6 Philosophy: To prevent cheap shots from occurring
Situation #1 (MP): A1 is running for a long touchdown. Lineman B1 hits an A player who is obviously out of the play, a violation of 9-4-3b. Ruling: Without the ability to carry over the penalty, he would essentially be getting a free shot. Therefore, the carryover foul rules were put into place.

7 Successful Field Goal (8-4-3):
R fouls, K’s field goal is good K has the following options: Take the points off the board and enforce the penalty with our regular enforcement Keep the points, carry the penalty over to the succeeding spot Regulation: kickoff Overtime: next series Philosophy: either way, R’s foul is penalized

8 Successful try (8-3-5): B fouls, A’s try (1 or 2 points) is good:
A has the following options: Take the point(s), carry the penalty over to the succeeding spot Replay the try (go for 2) with the yardage assessed

9 Successful try: A fouls, A’s try (1 or 2 points) is good:
B has the following options: Assess the penalty and replay the down, unless there is a loss of down foul If loss of down, there is no score and no replay (and no change in the usual kickoff) 8-3-4

10 Replay unless loss of down foul Penalty obviously declined
BY TRY IS GOOD NO GOOD 1 POINT 2 POINTS A Replay unless loss of down foul Penalty obviously declined B Accept score with carry-over penalty or go for 2 Accept score with carry-over penalty Replay

11 Touchdown (8-2-2, 8-2-3) This is the complicated situation Why?
It is possible to have a change of possession prior to a touchdown Here’s the thought process: If there was no change in possession, we have the usual carry-over option—accept the foul (rare) with normal enforcement, or keep the touchdown and carry over the enforcement to either the try or the subsequent kickoff If there was a change in possession, we have to know when the foul occurred

12 Touchdown What’s the idea behind this?
Again, it’s the free shot philosophy Situation #2 A A-20 A illegal motion at the snap A1 throws a forward pass that is intercepted by B1 who runs for a touchdown Ruling: A’s motion foul must be declined for B to keep the touchdown Philosophy: A obviously is not getting away with anything by the illegal motion Key is when the foul by A occurs

13 Touchdown On a change of possession, the foul by the opponents must occur after the change of possession for it to be eligible for a carry over: Situation #3 A A-20 A1 throws a forward pass that is intercepted by B1 During B1’s run for a touchdown, A2 grabs and twists B1’s facemask Ruling: This foul occurred after the change of possession, so it can be carried over under the right circumstances What’s the idea behind this? Again, it’s the free shot philosophy

14 Change in 2008 Touchdown carry overs can only be assessed on the try or the subsequent kickoff If there is no subsequent kickoff, only choice is the try

15 Subsequent Kickoff When do we have a touchdown and there is not a subsequent kickoff? If the touchdown occurred at the end of the 4th quarter and we go into OT If the touchdown occurs during any overtime series So, the carryover on a touchdown can be assessed on the subsequent kickoff at any time in regulation, other than the last timed down of the 4th quarter Otherwise, the only option is to assess it on the try

16 Change: Rule 3-3-4b was amended to clarify issues at the end of the half, and along with amendments to Rules and 8-2-3, clearly stipulate that fouls by the opponent of the scoring team on the last timed down of the first half can carry over to the second-half kickoff, however fouls by the opponent of the scoring team on the last timed down of the second half cannot carry over to overtime.   16

17 Change: Rule 3-3-4b was amended to clarify issues at the end of the half, and along with amendments to Rules and 8-2-3, clearly stipulate that fouls by the opponent of the scoring team on the last timed down of the first half can carry over to the second-half kickoff, however fouls by the opponent of the scoring team on the last timed down of the second half cannot carry over to overtime. 17

18 Change in 2009—Touchdown Situations—Fouls w/Succeeding Spot Enforcement Prior to the RFP (8-2-4, f) We now have an exception to the “all dead ball, non-player and USC fouls are enforced from the succeeding spot” If any of those fouls occur prior to the RFP after a touchdown is scored, the offended team has a choice of enforcement Succeeding spot—which is the try Subsequent kickoff

19 Rules Change: -Rules 8-2-2, 8-2-3, 8-2-4: ART If during a touchdown-scoring play in which there is no change of possession, the opponent of the scoring team commits a foul, the scoring team may accept the results of the play and have the penalty enforced from the succeeding spot or may choose to have the penalty enforced on the subsequent kickoff.   ART If during a touchdown-scoring play in which there is a change of possession, the opponent of the scoring team commits a foul after the change of possession, the scoring team may accept the results of the play and have the penalty enforced from the succeeding spot or may choose to have the penalty enforced on the subsequent kickoff.   ART If after a touchdown-scoring play and prior to the initial ready-for-play signal for the try, either team commits any foul for which the basic spot is the succeeding spot, the offended team may have the penalty enforced from the succeeding spot or may choose to have the penalty enforced on the subsequent kickoff. -Rule f: ART The following fouls have special enforcement provisions and options for the offended team:    f. Fouls that occur during or after a touchdown scoring play. (see 8-2-2, and 8-2-4)   Rationale for Change: Three current rules were refined and a new article created regarding penalty enforcement for dead-ball, non-player or unsportsmanlike fouls that occur during or after a touchdown scoring play. The revisions and additions now allow the scoring team, in most situations, the option of enforcing the penalty on the subsequent kickoff. Fouls committed after the initial ready-for-play signal following the touchdown are not affected by this change. Comment on Slide: If during a touchdown-scoring play either team commits a foul that has succeeding-spot enforcement, the penalty may be enforced on either the try or on the subsequent kickoff.

20 Rules Change: -Rules 8-2-2, 8-2-3, 8-2-4: ART If during a touchdown-scoring play in which there is no change of possession, the opponent of the scoring team commits a foul, the scoring team may accept the results of the play and have the penalty enforced from the succeeding spot or may choose to have the penalty enforced on the subsequent kickoff. ART If during a touchdown-scoring play in which there is a change of possession, the opponent of the scoring team commits a foul after the change of possession, the scoring team may accept the results of the play and have the penalty enforced from the succeeding spot or may choose to have the penalty enforced on the subsequent kickoff.   ART If after a touchdown-scoring play and prior to the initial ready-for-play signal for the try, either team commits any foul for which the basic spot is the succeeding spot, the offended team may have the penalty enforced from the succeeding spot or may choose to have the penalty enforced on the subsequent kickoff. -Rule f: ART The following fouls have special enforcement provisions and options for the offended team:    f. Fouls that occur during or after a touchdown scoring play. (see 8-2-2, and 8-2-4)   Rationale for Change: Three current rules were refined and a new article created regarding penalty enforcement for dead-ball, non-player or unsportsmanlike fouls that occur during or after a touchdown scoring play. The revisions and additions now allow the scoring team, in most situations, the option of enforcing the penalty on the subsequent kickoff. Fouls committed after the initial ready-for-play signal following the touchdown are not affected by this change. Comment on Slide: If either team commits a foul that has a succeeding-spot enforcement before the initial ready-for-play signal on the ensuing try following a touchdown-scoring play, the penalty may be enforced on either the try or on the subsequent kickoff. Case Book: See SITUATION 8.2.2D

21 Rules Change: -Rules 8-2-2, 8-2-3, 8-2-4: ART If during a touchdown-scoring play in which there is no change of possession, the opponent of the scoring team commits a foul, the scoring team may accept the results of the play and have the penalty enforced from the succeeding spot or may choose to have the penalty enforced on the subsequent kickoff.   ART If during a touchdown-scoring play in which there is a change of possession, the opponent of the scoring team commits a foul after the change of possession, the scoring team may accept the results of the play and have the penalty enforced from the succeeding spot or may choose to have the penalty enforced on the subsequent kickoff.   ART If after a touchdown-scoring play and prior to the initial ready-for-play signal for the try, either team commits any foul for which the basic spot is the succeeding spot, the offended team may have the penalty enforced from the succeeding spot or may choose to have the penalty enforced on the subsequent kickoff.   -Rule f: ART The following fouls have special enforcement provisions and options for the offended team:    f. Fouls that occur during or after a touchdown scoring play. (see 8-2-2, and 8-2-4)   Rationale for Change: Three current rules were refined and a new article created regarding penalty enforcement for dead-ball, non-player or unsportsmanlike fouls that occur during or after a touchdown scoring play. The revisions and additions now allow the scoring team, in most situations, the option of enforcing the penalty on the subsequent kickoff. Fouls committed after the initial ready-for-play signal following the touchdown are not affected by this change. Comment on Slide: If during a touchdown-scoring play on the last timed down of the fourth period either team commits a foul that has succeeding-spot enforcement, it is not possible to carry over the penalty to an overtime period. The penalty must be enforced on the try.

22 Carry Over Fouls and Touchdowns
Play Penalty is For Can Be Enforced On/In Try Succeeding KO Overtime Touchdown Non-player or USC Yes No Touchdown (8-2-3) Live Ball Foul, after change of possession Touchdown (8-2-4) Dead-ball Foul Before RFP for Try

23 Situation #4 (*8.2.2A): During (a) A9's run for a touchdown, or (b) K1's successful field goal, B2 holds A1. RULING: In (a), A will likely keep the score and may choose to enforce the foul on the try or enforce the foul on the subsequent kickoff. In (b), K may keep the points and have the penalty enforced from the succeeding spot, or have the penalty enforced from the previous spot and replay the down. (8-4-3)

24 Situation #5 (8.2.2B): On the last timed down of the 2nd period, Team A (a) scores a field goal or (b) a touchdown. In both cases, team B commits a live-ball foul. RULING: In (a), the offended team has the option to keep the score, with the penalty assessed on the 2nd half kickoff as this is the succeeding spot. In (b), the offended team has the option to keep the score, with penalty assessment on either the try or on the 2nd half kickoff as this would be the subsequent kickoff.

25 Situation #6 (*8.2.2C) : On the last timed down of the 4th period, B fouls on a play where Team A (a) scores a touchdown that leaves Team A trailing by 1 point, (b) scores a field goal which ties the game, or (c) scores a touchdown that leaves team A trailing by one point and the opponents also foul on the try during the untimed down.

26 Situation #6 (8.2.2C) Ruling:
(a) A has the option to keep the score, with the penalty assessed on the try. The penalty cannot be assessed on the first play of overtime as there is no subsequent kickoff. (b) A has the option to keep the score, with penalty assessment on the 1st play over overtime as the 1st play of overtime is the succeeding spot. (c) A may only have the penalty for the opponent’s foul on the scoring play enforced on the try but cannot carry over the penalty to overtime; however, the foul by the opponent during the try could be enforced on the 1st play of overtime at A’s choice.

27 Situation #7 (*8.2.2D) : A1 scores a touchdown. After the score, B commits a (a) dead ball foul, (b) unsportsmanlike or (c) nonplayer foul prior to the initial ready for play on the try. RULING: In (a), (b), or (c), Team A may elect to enforce the foul at the succeeding spot or on the subsequent kickoff.

28 Situation #8 (*8.2.2E) : Prior to the ball being thrown during a play in which A1 catches a touchdown pass and advances for a touchdown, B1 holds A2 to prevent him from going out for a pass on the side away from the play. When given options, A elects to enforce the defensive holding foul on the subsequent kickoff. During the successful 2 point try, B1 is guilty of holding A1. Does A have the option of having the 10 yard penalty added on to the previous 10-yard foul on the subsequent kickoff? RULING: Yes. The fouls did not occur during the same down, so these are not considered multiple fouls and, therefore, they may both be enforced on the subsequent kickoff (8-3-5b, ).

29 Situation #9 (*8.2.2F) : During a touchdown run by A1, B1 holds. During the successful kick try, there is a foul by B2. RULING: If A accepts B’s holding foul, A may accept the score and attempt the try from the 1 ½ yard line or accept the score and have the penalty enforced on the subsequent kickoff. For a foul on the try, A may accept and replay the try on the ¾ yard line or accept the 1 point try and enforce B’s try foul on the subsequent kickoff. The captain of A may choose to have both fouls enforced on the subsequent kickoff.

30 Situation #10 (8.3.5A): During a kick try: (a) B1 holds and the try is successful; or (b) A1 holds and the try is successful; or (c) B1 roughs the kicker/holder and the try is unsuccessful. RULING: In (a), A may accept the score and have the penalty enforced from the succeeding spot on the kickoff or enforce it from the previous spot and replay the down. In (b), B undoubtedly will accept the penalty and replay. In (c), A obviously would accept the penalty and replay. (8-3-7; )

31 Situation #11 (*10.4.5G): A2 commits an unsportsmanlike dead-ball foul: (a) following a touchdown by A1; or (b) following a successful try. RULING: In (a), B is given the option of accepting the penalty enforcement on the try or the subsequent kick. In (b), the succeeding spot is the kickoff.

32 Situation #11 (*10.4.5G): COMMENT: If the try had been the last play of the game and the score was tied, the succeeding spot for enforcement of the penalty for the foul by A2 would be the start of the overtime procedure. If an overtime is not authorized, the foul cannot be penalized because there would be no succeeding spot. (2-15; 2-41;

33 Situation #12 (*10.5.3A): With third and 6 from B’s 35-yard line, a pass from A1 is intercepted at B’s 25 by B1 who advances for an apparent touchdown. During the run by B1, A1 kicks at B2. RULING: B may (a) accept the touchdown and enforce the penalty on the try or on the subsequent kickoff; (b) decline the penalty. In either case, A1 is disqualified for fighting. (8-2-3; 9-4-1)

34 Situation #12 (8.4.3): With fourth and 5 from B's 18, K1's field-goal attempt is successful. B1 roughs the kicker/holder. RULING: K may accept the result of the play (3 points) and have the penalty enforced from the succeeding spot, or accept the penalty. If the penalty is accepted and K retains possession, it will be first and goal from R's 9-yard line. (9-4-4; f)

35 Situation #13 (*10.5.4B): During the last timed down of the first half, A1 retreats into his own end zone to attempt a pass, but he is downed there. During the down there is holding in the end zone by: (a) A2, or (b) by B1. RULING: In (a), it is a safety and B would score 2 points whether the penalty is accepted or declined since the run ended in the end zone and the foul was in the end zone. If B accepts the penalty, the period is not extended with an untimed down. In (b), if the penalty is accepted it will be enforced from the goal line and the period is extended.

36 Our Mission: To know what the enforcement rules are for fouls during scoring situations and to demonstrate our knowledge of those rules by answering the situations correctly.


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