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1 TGad March 2011 Report Date: 2011-03-14 Authors: March 2011 April 2007
doc.: IEEE /0570r0 March 2011 TGad March 2011 Report Date: Authors: Eldad Perahia, Intel Corporation Eldad Perahia, Intel Corporation

2 March 2011 Meeting Protocol Please announce your affiliation when you first address the group during a meeting slot Eldad Perahia, Intel Corporation

3 Register Indicate attendance Attendance
March 2011 Attendance Register Indicate attendance See document r0 for more details Eldad Perahia, Intel Corporation

4 Attendance, Voting & Document Status
March 2011 Attendance, Voting & Document Status Make sure your badges are correct If you plan to make a submission be sure it does not contain company logos or advertising Questions on Voting status, Ballot pool, Access to Reflector, Documentation, member’s area see Adrian Stephens – Cell Phones Silent or Off Eldad Perahia, Intel Corporation

5 Patent Policy Following 5 slides March 2011 April 2007
doc.: IEEE /0570r0 March 2011 Patent Policy Following 5 slides Eldad Perahia, Intel Corporation Eldad Perahia, Intel Corporation

6 Instructions for the WG Chair
April 2007 doc.: IEEE /0570r0 March 2011 Instructions for the WG Chair The IEEE-SA strongly recommends that at each WG meeting the chair or a designee: Show slides #1 through #4 of this presentation Advise the WG attendees that: The IEEE’s patent policy is consistent with the ANSI patent policy and is described in Clause 6 of the IEEE-SA Standards Board Bylaws; Early identification of patent claims which may be essential for the use of standards under development is strongly encouraged; There may be Essential Patent Claims of which the IEEE is not aware. Additionally, neither the IEEE, the WG, nor the WG chair can ensure the accuracy or completeness of any assurance or whether any such assurance is, in fact, of a Patent Claim that is essential for the use of the standard under development. Instruct the WG Secretary to record in the minutes of the relevant WG meeting: That the foregoing information was provided and that slides 1 through 4 (and this slide 0, if applicable) were shown; That the chair or designee provided an opportunity for participants to identify patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) and/or the holder of patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) of which the participant is personally aware and that may be essential for the use of that standard Any responses that were given, specifically the patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) and/or the holder of the patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) that were identified (if any) and by whom. The WG Chair shall ensure that a request is made to any identified holders of potential essential patent claim(s) to complete and submit a Letter of Assurance. It is recommended that the WG chair review the guidance in IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual and in FAQs 12 and 12a on inclusion of potential Essential Patent Claims by incorporation or by reference. Note: WG includes Working Groups, Task Groups, and other standards-developing committees with a PAR approved by the IEEE-SA Standards Board. (Optional to be shown) Eldad Perahia, Intel Corporation Eldad Perahia, Intel Corporation

7 Participants, Patents, and Duty to Inform
April 2007 doc.: IEEE /0570r0 March 2011 Participants, Patents, and Duty to Inform All participants in this meeting have certain obligations under the IEEE-SA Patent Policy. Participants: “Shall inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed)” of the identity of each “holder of any potential Essential Patent Claims of which they are personally aware” if the claims are owned or controlled by the participant or the entity the participant is from, employed by, or otherwise represents “Personal awareness” means that the participant “is personally aware that the holder may have a potential Essential Patent Claim,” even if the participant is not personally aware of the specific patents or patent claims “Should inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed)” of the identity of “any other holders of such potential Essential Patent Claims” (that is, third parties that are not affiliated with the participant, with the participant’s employer, or with anyone else that the participant is from or otherwise represents) The above does not apply if the patent claim is already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance that applies to the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group Quoted text excerpted from IEEE-SA Standards Board Bylaws subclause 6.2 Early identification of holders of potential Essential Patent Claims is strongly encouraged No duty to perform a patent search Slide #1 Eldad Perahia, Intel Corporation Eldad Perahia, Intel Corporation

8 Patent Related Links Patent Policy is stated in these sources:
April 2007 doc.: IEEE /0570r0 March 2011 Patent Related Links All participants should be familiar with their obligations under the IEEE-SA Policies & Procedures for standards development. Patent Policy is stated in these sources: IEEE-SA Standards Boards Bylaws IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual Material about the patent policy is available at If you have questions, contact the IEEE-SA Standards Board Patent Committee Administrator at or visit This slide set is available at Slide #2 Eldad Perahia, Intel Corporation Eldad Perahia, Intel Corporation

9 Call for Potentially Essential Patents
April 2007 doc.: IEEE /0570r0 March 2011 Call for Potentially Essential Patents If anyone in this meeting is personally aware of the holder of any patent claims that are potentially essential to implementation of the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group and that are not already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance: Either speak up now or Provide the chair of this group with the identity of the holder(s) of any and all such claims as soon as possible or Cause an LOA to be submitted Slide #3 Eldad Perahia, Intel Corporation Eldad Perahia, Intel Corporation

10 Other Guidelines for IEEE WG Meetings
April 2007 doc.: IEEE /0570r0 March 2011 Other Guidelines for IEEE WG Meetings All IEEE-SA standards meetings shall be conducted in compliance with all applicable laws, including antitrust and competition laws. Don’t discuss the interpretation, validity, or essentiality of patents/patent claims. Don’t discuss specific license rates, terms, or conditions. Relative costs, including licensing costs of essential patent claims, of different technical approaches may be discussed in standards development meetings. Technical considerations remain primary focus Don’t discuss or engage in the fixing of product prices, allocation of customers, or division of sales markets. Don’t discuss the status or substance of ongoing or threatened litigation. Don’t be silent if inappropriate topics are discussed … do formally object. See IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual, clause and “Promoting Competition and Innovation: What You Need to Know about the IEEE Standards Association's Antitrust and Competition Policy” for more details. Slide #4 Eldad Perahia, Intel Corporation Eldad Perahia, Intel Corporation

11 Agenda Items for the Week
March 2011 Agenda Items for the Week Call for secretary Set agenda for the week Review from January Approve minutes from January Review conference calls Editor Report Complete comment resolution on D1.0 & motions on resolutions Approve update to CA doc Motion for Recirculation Letter Ballot Planning for May CWPAN PSC PAR review Other presentations Eldad Perahia, Intel Corporation

12 Submissions Comment Resolution Other
April 2007 doc.: IEEE /0570r0 March 2011 Submissions Comment Resolution Other FST for TVWS update, 11/0090r1 (slides 12, 13); will be discussed on conference call Eldad Perahia, Intel Corporation Eldad Perahia, Intel Corporation

13 Tentative TGad Agenda for the Week
April 2007 doc.: IEEE /0570r0 March 2011 Tentative TGad Agenda for the Week Monday Mar 14th, 13:30 – 15:30 Call for secretary Set agenda for the week Review from January Approve minutes from January Review conference calls Editor Report Conference call comment resolution motions 35 – 40 Motion on CA doc Motion on D1.X/2.0 & LB Planning for May Conference calls CWPAN PSC PAR review presentations Tuesday Mar 15th, 13:30 – 15:30 cancel Tuesday Mar 15th, 16:00 – 18:00 Wednesday Mar 16th, 13:30 – 15:30 ? Thursday Mar 17th, 16:00 – 18:00 Eldad Perahia, Intel Corporation Eldad Perahia, Intel Corporation

14 Agenda for Monday March 14th, 13:30-15:30
April 2007 doc.: IEEE /0570r0 March 2011 Agenda for Monday March 14th, 13:30-15:30 Call for secretary Set agenda for the week Review from January Approve minutes from January Review conference calls Editor Report Conference call comment resolution motions 35 – 40 Motion on CA doc Motion on D1.X/2.0 & LB Planning for May Conference calls CWPAN Peng Xiaoming PSC PAR review presentations Eldad Perahia, Intel Corporation Eldad Perahia, Intel Corporation

15 Notes for Monday March 14th, 13:30-15:30
April 2007 doc.: IEEE /0570r0 March 2011 Notes for Monday March 14th, 13:30-15:30 All CID motions passed by unanimous consent PSC new comment on “need for project”: The PAR argument goes that no one standard supports all their use cases, so a new standard for a new unified radio is needed. Call this new unified radio “Esperanto”. This has two problems, illustrated via example. (1) Assume the PAR argument is true. Assume further that the TG can convince device manufacturers to agree to this vision. Manufacturers make devices with just the Esperanto radio, but they do not interoperate with other people’s Bluetooth/WiFi systems. To get value, customers would have to buy a completely new set of equipment and move all their data to the new systems. Accordingly, these new Esperanto devices do not sell. Manufacturers try again, and now make combo chips with Bluetooth/WiFi and the new Esperanto radio. Assume the Esperanto radio has some additional perceived value. These devices do sell. But the Esperanto radio has made the problem of combo chips worse, not better – now there are Bluetooth/WiFi and Esperanto radios in the combo. Eldad Perahia, Intel Corporation Eldad Perahia, Intel Corporation

16 802.15 PSC new comment continued
March 2011 PSC new comment continued (2) Assume the Esperanto radio successfully solves all use cases, so over time more and more devices omit Bluetooth/WiFi. After 5-10 years, there would be only the one Esperanto radio (ignoring FM, GPS, etc). But, let’s assume that 2 years into this transition period, a new use case is discovered that cannot be met by the existing Esperanto radio. And, using the logic of the PAR, adding an additional radio to devices in order to address this new use case is an inadequate approach because it would be a combo Esperanto/”additional radio” chip. Instead, the IEEE must design a new single radio that meets all the old use cases and the new use case. Call this a “Klingon” radio. Manufacturers make devices with just the Klingon radio, but they do not interoperate with the (still hanging-on) Bluetooth/WiFi systems or even the Esperanto radio. These Klingon devices do not sell. Manufacturers try again, and now make combo chips with Bluetooth/WiFi/Esperanto and the new Klingon radio. These devices do sell. But the Klingon radio has made the problem of combo chips worse, not better – now there are Bluetooth/WiFi plus Esperanto plus Klingon radios in the combo. Summary: given the rich ecosystem of Bluetooth and WiFi products, backwards compatibility (and extending the user experience) is vastly more important than avoiding combo chips Eldad Perahia, Intel Corporation

17 Review from January Resolved 124 comments during the week
March 2011 Review from January Resolved 124 comments during the week Adopted D1.1, which includes resolutions to comments up to Jan 16 CWPAN Official response from IEEE staff regarding copyright permission communicated ( r6, slide 18) CWPAN will hold joint morning session with on March 19 in Singapore ( r0) CWPAN will put out agenda and will invite individuals to present Fast Session Transfer for TVWS, 11/0090, Ganesh Venkatesan Eldad Perahia, Intel Corporation

18 March 2011 January Minutes Motion to approve January ‘11 TGad minutes as contained in r0 Move: James Second: Vinko Eldad Perahia, Intel Corporation

19 Review of Conference Calls
March 2011 Review of Conference Calls Conference call minutes from 2011 contained in 11/0016r6 Resolved all remaining comments Discussed proposed PAR on Personal Space Communications Eldad Perahia, Intel Corporation

20 Editor Report Editor report: 11-10/1080r4
March 2011 Editor Report Editor report: 11-10/1080r4 LB168 comment database: 10/1220r21 Total Technical comments: 670 Already Motioned: 559 Resolved in Jan TGad meeting: 6 Resolved in CC: 105 Remaining: 0 Eldad Perahia, Intel Corporation

21 Motion 35 Move to approve resolution of comments:
March 2011 Motion 35 Move to approve resolution of comments: 555, 493, 275, 1001, 622, 443 In 10/1220r21 No objection to resolutions during Thursday January 20th, 08:00-10:00 meeting Move/Second: James/Vinko Passed by unanimous consent Eldad Perahia, Intel Corporation

22 Motion 36 Move to approve resolution of comments:
March 2011 Motion 36 Move to approve resolution of comments: 1104, 633, 1224, 1112, 961, 15, 513, 963, 1117, 140, 141, 594, 596, 440, 993, 995, 996, 1000, 511, 1002, 480, 1004, 1005, 447, 1014, 1015, 1016, 495, 496, 1018, 414, 1019, 415, 438, 1023, 1024, 1025, 1026, 1027 In 10/1220r21 No objection to resolutions on January 27, 2011 conference call Move/Second: James/Vinko Passed by unanimous consent Eldad Perahia, Intel Corporation

23 Motion 37 Move to approve resolution of comments:
March 2011 Motion 37 Move to approve resolution of comments: 134 and 627 in 11/0219r0 (CA document comments) 937, 1105, 7, 8, 1106, 588, 954, 11 in 11/0212r1 426, 491, 1031, 1032, 264, 267, 269, 270, 271, 272, 273, 274, 277, 278, 279, 280, 119, 184 in 10/1220r21 No objection to resolutions on February 3, 2011 conference call Move/Second: James/Vinko Passed by unanimous consent Eldad Perahia, Intel Corporation

24 Motion 38 Move to approve resolution of comments:
March 2011 Motion 38 Move to approve resolution of comments: 421, in 11/0236r2 937, 1105, 7, 8, 1106, 588, 954, 11 in 11/0212r1 186, 1034, 1035, 188, 525, 527, 526, 192, 196, 1036, 69, 203, 240, 1061, 301, 380, 150, 395, 388, 389, 392, 400, 397, 1069, in 10/1220r21 No objection to resolutions on February 10, 2011 conference call Move/Second: James/Vinko Passed by unanimous consent Eldad Perahia, Intel Corporation

25 Motion 39 Move to approve resolution of comments:
March 2011 Motion 39 Move to approve resolution of comments: 413, 416, 238 in 11/0250r0 1066 in 11/0246r0 No objection to resolutions on February 17, 2011 conference call Move/Second: James/Vinko Passed by unanimous consent Eldad Perahia, Intel Corporation

26 Motion 40 Move to approve resolution of comments:
March 2011 Motion 40 Move to approve resolution of comments: 1163 in 11/0258r1 342 in 11/0246r2 No objection to resolutions on February 24, 2011 conference call Move/Second: James/Vinko Passed by unanimous consent Eldad Perahia, Intel Corporation

27 March 2011 Motion for CA document Move: Adopt r5 as Coexistence Assurance document for ad amendment Move/Second: Solomon Trainin / John Barr Yes: 24 No: 0 Abs: 0 Eldad Perahia, Intel Corporation

28 Motion for Recirculation Letter Ballot
March 2011 Motion for Recirculation Letter Ballot Having approved comment resolutions for all of the comments received from LB 168 on P802.11ad D1.0 as contained in document 10/1220r21, Instruct the editor to prepare Draft 2.0 incorporating these resolutions and, Approve a 15 day Working Group Recirculation Ballot asking the question “Should P802.11ad D2.0 be forwarded to Sponsor Ballot?” Moved: Assaf Kasher, Seconded: Sai , Result: [Moved by Eldad Perahia on behalf of TGad TGad vote: Moved: <name>, Seconded: <name>, Result: y-n-a] Eldad Perahia, Intel Corporation

29 Conference call times Previously approved conference calls
April 2007 doc.: IEEE /0570r0 March 2011 Conference call times Previously approved conference calls Mar 31, Apr 14 10:00 – 12:00 ET Mar 24, Apr 7 20:00-22:00 ET New conference calls Not overlap with TGac Apr 28, May 5, May 26, Jun 9 10:00 – 12:00 ET Apr 21, May 19, Jun 2, Jun 16 20:00-22:00 ET Eldad Perahia, Intel Corporation Eldad Perahia, Intel Corporation

30 Goals for May Comment resolution on D2.0 March 2011 April 2007
doc.: IEEE /0570r0 March 2011 Goals for May Comment resolution on D2.0 Eldad Perahia, Intel Corporation Eldad Perahia, Intel Corporation


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