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1 Effect Sizes…

2 What do P-values tell us?
Strength of evidence against a null hypothesis Probability of getting the observed results (or something more extreme) if H0 (and associated assumptions) is correct (given observed variation).

3 P-values and Effect Sizes?
NS Sig NS Sig Sig

4 If not P, then what? Examples…

5 1. Hedge's d: 2. Difference: XE - XC 3. Ratio: XE/XC 4
1. Hedge's d: Difference: XE - XC 3. Ratio: XE/XC 4. Log response ratio: ln(XE/XC)

6 Need to motivate a more thoughtful approach…
So, are there metrics that don’t rely on signal/noise?

7 Examine variation in biological effects
What if you want to compare your "effect" with others (e.g., meta-analysis)? Eliminate “effects” of the investigator (e.g., due to variation in duration, initial size, other variables…) Examine variation in biological effects

8 Requires an effect size
that is linked with "theory" (or at least biology)

9 An illustration Let's consider experiments that manipulate CO2 and look at the response of plants…

10 Study: A B C D E Ambient CO2: final size (g) 2 8 12 200 Elevated CO2:
3 4 10 20 220 Initial size (g) 1 11 180 Duration (d) 5 Tally up: 1) which study gives the largest effect? 2) Which study gives the smallest effect?

11 Study: A B C D E Ambient CO2: final size (g) 2 8 12 200 Elevated CO2: 3 4 10 20 220 Initial size (g) 1 11 180 Duration (d) 5

12 Study: A B C D E Ambient CO2: final size (g) 2 8 12 200 Elevated CO2: 3 4 10 20 220 Initial size (g) 1 11 180 Duration (d) 5

13 Study: A B C D E Ambient CO2: final size (g) 2 8 12 200 Elevated CO2: 3 4 10 20 220 Initial size (g) 1 11 180 Duration (d) 5

14 Effects: plant response to CO2
How did you come up with your answers? Did you have a “model” in mind? How do plants grow? How would CO2 effect that growth rate?

15 Here's one option: dM/dt = "constant" (dep. on env., but not M)
Mt,c=Mo + gct Mt,x=Mo + gxt Effect: e = gx-gc = (Mt,x-Mt,c)/t Note: 1) this is a simple difference in "g" (thus, omnibus-like); But 2) g is derived from the data; it is NOT the measured response variable (that was M).

16 Study: A B C D E Ambient CO2: final size (g) 2 8 12 200 Elevated CO2: 3 4 10 20 220 Initial size (g) 1 11 180 Duration (d) 5 Effect (linear):

17 Another option: Exponential growth: dM/dt = gM Or: Mt=Moegt
Thus: effect = Δg = ln(Mt,x/Mt,c)/t

18 Study: A B C D E Ambient CO2: final size (g) 2 8 12 200 Elevated CO2: 3 4 10 20 220 Initial size (g) 1 11 180 Duration (d) 5 Effect (linear): Effect (expon):

19 Defining an "effect" forces you to think about the process you are studying.

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21 Density dependence Compare systems “with” vs. “without” density dependence, but… Based on P-values; null hypothesis tests Is this controversy real? What drives apparent variation? Osenberg et al (Ecology Letters)

22 4 competing hypotheses to explain the variation in "effects"

23 “effect” : requires model
Yet, few meta-analyses discuss the dynamics of their system and propose a model (or alternate models) for the underlying process. They simply pick an “effect”, such as cohen’s d (essentially a t statistic), or hedges g, or a difference, or a log-ratio, without further exploration or justification. This is a biological issue, not a statistical one.

24 Beverton-Holt Recruitment Function:
Density (N) Inst. Mort. Rate slope = β α β : per capita effect of conspecifics α : density-independent mortality rate

25 Integrated form of model:
α, β Input (Settlers) (Sub-Adults) Output N0 : initial density (e.g., settlers) Nt : “final” density (e.g., recruits or adults)

26 Overall effect of density
= m2 fish-1 day-1 (CI: to ) [BUT extremely heterogeneous… …controversy?]

27 Density-dependence: the debate (“no” vs. “yes”)
Nt N0 Nt N0 Nt N0 Nt N0

28 β small Nt N0 β large Den-indep. Den-dep.

29 Density-dependence: the debate (“no” vs. “yes”)
X X Nt N0 Nt N0 Nt N0 Nt N0

30 Den-indep. Den-dep.

31 Den-indep. Den-dep.

32 Density-dependence: the debate (“no” vs. “yes”)
X X Nt N0 Nt N0 X Nt N0 Nt N0

33 Density-dependence: the debate (“no” vs. “yes”)
β similar (on average) Ambient densities differ Heterogeneity is large …and unresolved Nt N0

34 Sources of variation? Predators Age-classes Taxonomic groups
Geographic regions Study design

35 Australia Caribbean California Indo-Pacific

36 Labrid Gobiid Acanthurid Pomacentrid

37 Bottom-line… There are an infinite number of questions…
… so there should be an infinite number of effect size definitions.

38 The challenge is to determine how to best quantify "your question".
Take home message: The challenge is to determine how to best quantify "your question". [Statistical issues are important, but they are secondary to biological ones: get the question right, then adjust the tool.]

39 "but I don’t have a 'model'…"
Think a bit more about the process Make up data and challenge yourself to "rank them" (why?) Absolute vs. relative difference (XE-XC or ln(XE/XC))

40 End


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