1 Expectations Versus Size James Hurt Cincinnati Model Investment Club.

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1 Expectations Versus Size James Hurt Cincinnati Model Investment Club

2 Market Cap All of the news media and almost all of Wall Street uses “Market Cap” for size. –“Small Cap”, “Mid Cap”, “Big Cap” –Market Cap is Price per share times number of shares –Price goes up 10%, Market Cap goes up 10%. –Price goes down 10%, Market Cap goes down 10%

3 Better Investing Size Because of its dependence on price, a volatile number, we Better Investors do not use Market Cap to measure size. Better Investors use sales to measure size. –“small”, “mid sized”, “large” –More sales, bigger company.

4 Boundaries on Size Small –sales < $400 Million –70% of all companies in Reuter's screen Mid sized –$400 Million < sales < $4,000 Million –20% of all companies in Reuter's screen Large –Sales over $4,000 Million –10% of all companies in Reuter's screen

5 Best Investment Opportunity Stabilization Speculation Life Cycle of a Successful Company Small Mid Size Large Sales Graph from “Fundamental Investing: An Introduction” by Bob Adams, Gary Ball, and Seymour Zeenkov.

6 Start-Up Company Starts with no sales. Early sales are “missionary” sales. Most fail. Most of the rest fail to grow. Very big rewards if successful (“IPO”). Very risky.

7 Small Companies Simple market: –One or two products. –Little or no competition. None pay dividends (no yield). Need to read MD&A to double and triple check quality of management. Look for well managed growing small companies with over 15% historical growth rates.

8 Mid Sized Companies Uncomplicated Market. –Several products. –Some competition. Some pay dividends (low yield). Need to read MD&A to double check quality of management. Look for well managed growing mid sized companies with 10% to 15% historical growth rates.

9 Large Companies Complicated Market. –Many products. –A lot of competition. Pay a lot in dividends (high yield). –Reinvesting dividends helps our return. Need to read MD&A to double check quality of management. Look for well managed growing large companies with 5% to 10% historical growth rates.

10 Diversify by Size Some have suggested that we invest: –25% in small companies –50% in mid sized companies –25% in large companies Percentages are by value –price times number of shares in the portfolio.

11 Small Company 'Problems' Small companies do not have many shares, hence price is very volatile. –Fundamentals can be growing for years before the price catches up. Not all small companies are well managed. Most small companies fail. Well managed small companies tend to become mid sized companies.

12 Biggest Small Company Problems Finding a small company that is well managed and has high growth rates is very difficult. Keeping a small company when some bad news causes the price to crash. –Is the bad news temporary or serious?

13 Mid Sized Company 'Problems' Mid sized companies do not have many shares, hence price is volatile. Not all mid sized companies are well managed. Most mid sized companies are unable to maintain growth rates. Well managed mid sized companies tend to become large companies.

14 Large Company 'Problems' Large companies have many shares, hence price is not as volatile. Not all large companies are well managed. Growth for large companies is very difficult. Where to invest profits? –Usually pay large dividends, buy back stock, or buy other companies.

15 Mythical Portfolio Start with ideal mix. Over five years, companies grow, value as shown in second row. But ½ of small companies are now mid sized, and ¼ of mid sized are now large. Final mix is as shown in last two rows. In order to rebalance, must sell some large winners and buy some new small companies. This is called "Selling high".

16 Summary Small Companies – 25% of portfolio –High risk, high rewards. Mid Sized Companies – 50% –Medium risk, medium rewards. Large Companies – 25% –Low risk, low rewards. In all cases, keep your eye on management and the fundamentals.