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doc.: IEEE 802.11-05/0408r0 Submission May 2005 John Klein, SymbolSlide 1 TPC Comments Notice: This document has been prepared to assist IEEE 802.11. It is offered as a basis for discussion and is not binding on the contributing individual(s) or organization(s). The material in this document is subject to change in form and content after further study. The contributor(s) reserve(s) the right to add, amend or withdraw material contained herein. Release: The contributor grants a free, irrevocable license to the IEEE to incorporate material contained in this contribution, and any modifications thereof, in the creation of an IEEE Standards publication; to copyright in the IEEE’s name any IEEE Standards publication even though it may include portions of this contribution; and at the IEEE’s sole discretion to permit others to reproduce in whole or in part the resulting IEEE Standards publication. The contributor also acknowledges and accepts that this contribution may be made public by IEEE 802.11. Patent Policy and Procedures: The contributor is familiar with the IEEE 802 Patent Policy and Procedures, including the statement "IEEE standards may include the known use of patent(s), including patent applications, provided the IEEE receives assurance from the patent holder or applicant with respect to patents essential for compliance with both mandatory and optional portions of the standard." Early disclosure to the Working Group of patent information that might be relevant to the standard is essential to reduce the possibility for delays in the development process and increase the likelihood that the draft publication will be approved for publication. Please notify the Chair as early as possible, in written or electronic form, if patented technology (or technology under patent application) might be incorporated into a draft standard being developed within the IEEE 802.11 Working Group. If you have questions, contact the IEEE Patent Committee Administrator at.http:// email@example.com@ieee.org Date: 2005-05-17 Authors:
doc.: IEEE 802.11-05/0408r0 Submission May 2005 John Klein, SymbolSlide 2 Abstract This submission lists the Technical comments classified in the TPC Category. This category deals with specific comments related to TPC or services related to TPC.
doc.: IEEE 802.11-05/0408r0 Submission May 2005 John Klein, SymbolSlide 3 Comment #19 184.108.40.206 – Page 35, L10-19 Comment: The Link Measurement Request frame only includes the TPC Request element, which provides no information about the transmit power used to transmit the Request frame. Even though the station requesting the measurement could calculate link margin, because it knows the transmit power it has used and the maximum transmit power it could use, the measuring station therefore lacks the information needed to calculate link margin for its own use. Resolution: Propose that we counter the proposed resolution from the commenter. Replace the TPC Request element with two fields, namely a "Transmit Power" field and a "Maximum Transmit Power" field. The Transmit Power element shall be set to the transmit power used to transmit the frame containing the Link Measurement Request. The element is coded as a signed integer in units of decibels relative to 1 mW. The maximum tolerance for the transmit power value reported in the Transmit Power element shall be ± 5 dB by the STA transmitting the Link Measurement Request frame. The Max Transmit Power element is coded as a signed integer and is 1 octet in length. It provides an upper limit, in units of decibels, on the transmit power as measured at the output of the antenna connector to be used by the transmitting STA on the current channel. I did speak with the commenter, and he could not remember why Transmit Power and Max Transmit Power were important to the recipient.
doc.: IEEE 802.11-05/0408r0 Submission May 2005 John Klein, SymbolSlide 4 Comment #20 11.9 – Page 57, L10-19 Comment: The Link Measurement Report includes a TPC Report element, which contains a link margin field. The problem with the Link Measurement normative text is that no standard means of calculating the link margin has been defined. In fact, clause 220.127.116.11 states "The measurement method of Link Margin is beyond the scope of this amendment." The radio measurement group should address this deficiency, and define a standard technique for measuring link margin in clause 11.9 to permit a STA collecting measurements to compare the link margins obtained from Link Measurement Reports provided by two different STA. Resolution: Defer and Discuss Signal to Noise ratio is a better link margin (Kwak) and RCPI minus the noise floor is not adequate to calculate Link Margin because it does not include other noise sources (Kwak). TG needs to discuss if we need to define Link Margin
doc.: IEEE 802.11-05/0408r0 Submission May 2005 John Klein, SymbolSlide 5 Comment #63 (Dups: 198, 241, 733) 18.104.22.168 – Page 6, L8-9, Table 12 Comment: The last entry in the table of elements in the probe response is "Elements requested by the Request information element of the Probe Request frame" -- what happens if some of those elements are among the list of those elements which preceeded this entry in the table? E.g. what if the requested elements includes order 17 TPC Report?" Does the description for order 23-n imply that the order 17 item (TPC Report) shall be repeated somewhere in the 23-n section? Or would it be skipped? Or would it not appear as item order 17, but instead appear in the 23-n group? There already is an attempt to deal with this problem in the language of 22.214.171.124 - that language should be updated. Resolution: Counter Add informational text to clause 11: "When a probe response frame is returned in response to a probe request frame which contains Requested information elements, any of the requested elements which appear as individual items in the ordering list of Table 12 shall appear both in their individual ordered location as specified in Table 12 and in the ordered location reserved for the list of requested elements, where the requested elements appear in increasing numerical element ID order."
doc.: IEEE 802.11-05/0408r0 Submission May 2005 John Klein, SymbolSlide 6 Comment #734 126.96.36.199 – Page 5, Table 8, Order 7 Comment: I really don't like the way that the modified table has been modified. Resolution: Decline The convention used in Table 8 for the “ Requested Information Element ” is similar to the convention used in Table 7 and Table 12. Since the request frame body specifies the IE that the user wants returned in the report frame, it is a general purpose flexible interface. Although the Neighbor Report or the Neighbor Report with TSF are the only two allowed IEs that can be requested in Table 7 at this time, future IEs could be implemented without having to change the frame format.
doc.: IEEE 802.11-05/0408r0 Submission May 2005 John Klein, SymbolSlide 7 Straw Poll Would you support that the editor incorporate the text as instructed by (11-05-0409-00-000k- tpc-comment-resolutions-nomrative.doc) into the next draft of 802.11k to resolve comments 19, 63, 198, 241, 733, 734. Results: 0/0 (Y/N)
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