1. Week 12 Selecting Schools Kent L. Barrus Pre-professional Advisor

2. Bio 311 - Professional School Preparation Managing the Interview Day Before the Interview Before the Interview Get plenty of sleep. Get plenty of sleep. Arrive early! Arrive early! Don’t bring a family member or friend to the interview. Don’t bring a family member or friend to the interview. Review you application and personal statement. Review you application and personal statement. Be polite to EVERYONE at the office. Be polite to EVERYONE at the office. Treat every interaction as if it is a part of the interview. Treat every interaction as if it is a part of the interview.

3. Bio 311 - Professional School Preparation Managing the Interview Day During the Interview During the Interview Use peoples names. Use peoples names. Shake hands. Shake hands. Maintain eye contact. Maintain eye contact. Don’t fidget, cross arms, etc. Don’t fidget, cross arms, etc. Don’t touch anything on the interviewer’s desk. Don’t touch anything on the interviewer’s desk. Don’t speak too quickly. Don’t speak too quickly. Smile. Smile. Avoid being arrogant and dogmatic. Avoid being arrogant and dogmatic. Don’t be antagonistic, even if the interview is. Don’t be antagonistic, even if the interview is. Don’t make up answers to questions you don’t know. Don’t make up answers to questions you don’t know.

4. Bio 311 - Professional School Preparation After the Interview After the Interview Shake hands and say good-bye. Shake hands and say good-bye. Write your interviewer a ‘professional’ thank you note. Write your interviewer a ‘professional’ thank you note. Don’t grovel. Don’t grovel. Don’t touch anything on the interviewer’s desk. Don’t touch anything on the interviewer’s desk. Don’t speak too quickly. Don’t speak too quickly. Smile. Smile. Avoid being arrogant and dogmatic. Avoid being arrogant and dogmatic. Don’t be antagonistic, even if the interview is. Don’t be antagonistic, even if the interview is. Don’t make up answers to questions you don’t know. Don’t make up answers to questions you don’t know. Managing the Interview Day

5. Bio 311 - Professional School Preparation Questions to Ask Yourself What type of Professional do I want to be? What type of Professional do I want to be? Will a school provide the learning and experiences necessary for me to excel in my profession? Will a school provide the learning and experiences necessary for me to excel in my profession? Will a school treat me the way I want to be treated? Will a school treat me the way I want to be treated? Would I like to be a student there? Would I like to be a student there?

6. Bio 311 - Professional School Preparation Things to Consider Be Realistic Be Realistic Geographic considerations Geographic considerations Finances Finances Familiar with BYU-Idaho Familiar with BYU-Idaho School Philosophy School Philosophy Early Decision Program Early Decision Program Rankings Rankings

7. Bio 311 - Professional School Preparation 1. Be Realistic Don’t waste your time if you don’t have outstanding credentials Don’t waste your time if you don’t have outstanding credentials GPA GPA MCAT, DAT, OAT MCAT, DAT, OAT Do you want to be accepted by a good school or rejected by a top school? Do you want to be accepted by a good school or rejected by a top school? It may be OK to apply to a few top schools, but do NOT apply to all top schools. It may be OK to apply to a few top schools, but do NOT apply to all top schools.

8. Bio 311 - Professional School Preparation 1. Be Realistic If you are a white male: If you are a white male: Add 0.2 to the GPA listed. Add 0.2 to the GPA listed. Add 1 Point to each MCAT section score. Add 1 Point to each MCAT section score.

9. Bio 311 - Professional School Preparation Admission Statistics Example ACCEPTED ACCEPTED SGPA APPL. MD DO % SGPA APPL. MD DO % 4.0-3.9 40 34 0 80 4.0-3.9 40 34 0 80 3.89-3.8 24 19 0 79 3.89-3.8 24 19 0 79 3.79-3.7 3424 2 76 3.79-3.7 3424 2 76 3.69-3.6 44 29 2 70 3.69-3.6 44 29 2 70 3.59-3.5 34 16 4 59 3.59-3.5 34 16 4 59

10. Bio 311 - Professional School Preparation Admission Statistics Example ACCEPTED ACCEPTED SGPA APPL. MD DO % SGPA APPL. MD DO % 3.49-3.4 28 14 3 61 3.49-3.4 28 14 3 61 3.39-3.3 24 11 4 63 3.39-3.3 24 11 4 63 3.29-3.2 17 6 3 53 3.29-3.2 17 6 3 53 3.19-3.1 10 5 1 60 3.19-3.1 10 5 1 60 3.09-3.0 14 7 1 57 3.09-3.0 14 7 1 57

11. Bio 311 - Professional School Preparation Admission Statistics Example ACCEPTED ACCEPTED SGPA APPL. MD DO % SGPA APPL. MD DO % 2.99-2.5 21 3 0 14 2.99-2.5 21 3 0 14 2.49- < 0 0 0 0 2.49- < 0 0 0 0

12. Bio 311 - Professional School Preparation Admissions Statistics Research Schools Research Schools 1.HARVARD UNIVERSITY 1.HARVARD UNIVERSITY 2.JOHNS HOPKINS UNIVERSITY 2.JOHNS HOPKINS UNIVERSITY 3.WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY 3.WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY 4.UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA 4.UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA 5.DUKE UNIVERSITY 5.DUKE UNIVERSITY 6.UNIV. CALIFORNIA AT SAN FRANCISCO 6.UNIV. CALIFORNIA AT SAN FRANCISCO 7.COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY 7.COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY 8.UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN 8.UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN 9.YALE UNIVERSITY 9.YALE UNIVERSITY 10.UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON 10.UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON

13. Bio 311 - Professional School Preparation Applied Accepted Applied Accepted 1. HARVARD 500 2. JOHNS HOPKINS 744 3. WASH. UNIV. 623 4. UNIV. OF PENN. 170 5. DUKE 451 6. UCSF 432 7. COLUMBIA 155 8. UNIV. OF MICHIGAN 397 9. YALE 462 10. UNIV. OF WASH 865

14. Bio 311 - Professional School Preparation Admissions Statistics Primary Care Schools Primary Care Schools 1.UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON 1.UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON 2.OREGON HEALTH SCIENCES 2.OREGON HEALTH SCIENCES 3.UC SAN FRANSICO 3.UC SAN FRANSICO 4.UNIVERSITY OF NEW MEXICO 4.UNIVERSITY OF NEW MEXICO 5.U MASS WORCESTER 5.U MASS WORCESTER 6.UNIVERSITY OF NORTH CAROLINA-C.HILL 6.UNIVERSITY OF NORTH CAROLINA-C.HILL 7.HARVARD UNIVERSITY 7.HARVARD UNIVERSITY 8. UNIV OF ROCHESTER 8. UNIV OF ROCHESTER 9.UNIV OF COLORADO HEALTH SCIENCES 9.UNIV OF COLORADO HEALTH SCIENCES 10.UNIVERSITY OF IOWA 10.UNIVERSITY OF IOWA

15. Bio 311 - Professional School Preparation Applied Accepted Applied Accepted 1.UW 865 1.UW 865 2.OHSU1069 2.OHSU1069 3.UCSF 432 3.UCSF 432 4.UNIV NM 4.UNIV NM 50 5.U MASS 30 5.U MASS 30 6.UNC 282 6.UNC 282 7.HARVARD 500 7.HARVARD 500 7. ROCHESTER 406 7. ROCHESTER 406 9.COLORADO 464 9.COLORADO 464 9.IOWA 9.IOWA 548

16. Bio 311 - Professional School Preparation Schools Academics Residency Match Rates. Residency Match Rates. National Board Pass Rates. National Board Pass Rates. Licensing Exam Pass Rates. Licensing Exam Pass Rates.

17. Bio 311 - Professional School Preparation Schools Academics What is course load like? What is course load like? How many hours are spent in classes and labs? How many hours are spent in classes and labs? Services.aamc.org/currdir/start.cfm Services.aamc.org/currdir/start.cfm Services.aamc.org/currdir/start.cfm Do they have notes online? Do they have notes online? Clinical Experiences? Clinical Experiences? Tutoring and Retention Programs? Tutoring and Retention Programs? Academic Schedule Academic Schedule Research Opportunities Research Opportunities What is the grading system? What is the grading system?

18. Bio 311 - Professional School Preparation Non-Academics What is area and community atmosphere? What is area and community atmosphere? Housing availability and costs Housing availability and costs Fees, tuition, and equipment costs Fees, tuition, and equipment costs What kind of student/spouse support services are available? What kind of student/spouse support services are available? Financial Aid, grants, scholarships, etc. Financial Aid, grants, scholarships, etc.

19. Bio 311 - Professional School Preparation Do your research Professional school guides Professional school guides Web sites Web sites Interview / school visit Interview / school visit

20. Bio 311 - Professional School Preparation 2. Geographical Considerations Apply to schools in your area, especially in your home state. Apply to schools in your area, especially in your home state. Most state schools accept 90-100% from state residents. Most state schools accept 90-100% from state residents. East vs West coast. East vs West coast. Small Town vs Big city Small Town vs Big city Church presence Church presence Include your spouse in the process Include your spouse in the process

21. Bio 311 - Professional School Preparation 3. Finances Don’t apply if you: Don’t apply if you: Can’t afford to go to the schools to interview. Can’t afford to go to the schools to interview. If you would not go to the school, if accepted, because of tuition, living expenses, tec. If you would not go to the school, if accepted, because of tuition, living expenses, tec. Don’t waste your time, your money, or the schools time. Don’t waste your time, your money, or the schools time.

22. Bio 311 - Professional School Preparation 4. Schools Familiar with BYU-Idaho If a school has never accepted a BYU student before: If a school has never accepted a BYU student before: You may be wasting your time and money unless. You may be wasting your time and money unless. Your father owns the school. Your father owns the school. Uncle Joe can give a million dollars to the school. Uncle Joe can give a million dollars to the school. Or it may be an advantage Or it may be an advantage Unfamiliar with BYU-Idaho Unfamiliar with BYU-Idaho Unique applicant Unique applicant

23. Bio 311 - Professional School Preparation 4. Schools Familiar with BYU-Idaho Danger Danger Many LDS students apply to the same schools Many LDS students apply to the same schools Competition with other BYU-Idaho students Competition with other BYU-Idaho students All look the same All look the same

24. Bio 311 - Professional School Preparation 5. School Philosophy In what specialty are you interested? In what specialty are you interested? Do students match their preferred residency. Do students match their preferred residency.

25. Bio 311 - Professional School Preparation 6. Early Decision Apply to one school by August 1 st. Apply to one school by August 1 st. Notified of acceptance by October 1 st. Notified of acceptance by October 1 st. If accepted you must go. If accepted you must go. If not accepted you reapply to other schools. If not accepted you reapply to other schools.

26. Bio 311 - Professional School Preparation 6. Advantages of Early Decision Shows school it is your top choice Shows school it is your top choice Receive decisions early Receive decisions early Saves time, money, anxiety, etc. Saves time, money, anxiety, etc.

27. Bio 311 - Professional School Preparation 6. Disadvantages of Early Decision Makes you later for all other applications Makes you later for all other applications Interview later at other schools Interview later at other schools Fewer seats available Fewer seats available

28. Bio 311 - Professional School Preparation 8. Rankings Are they representative? Are they representative? What criteria do they use? What criteria do they use? Does it really matter? Does it really matter?