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1 16 Sep 2002F Harris GridPP Imperial College1 WP8 Status and Plans F Harris (Oxford/CERN)

2 16 Sep 2002F Harris GridPP Imperial College2 Outline of presentation Overview of experiment plans for use of Grid facilities/services for tests and data challenges –ATLAS –ALICE –CMS –LHCb –BaBar –D0 Status of ATLAS/EDG Task Force work Essential requirements for making 1.2.n usable by broader physics user community Future activities of WP8 and some questions Summary

3 16 Sep 2002F Harris GridPP Imperial College3 ATLAS Currently in middle of Phase1 of DC1 (Geant3 simulation,Athena reconstruction,analysis). Many sites in Europe+US+Australia,Canada,Japan,Taiwan,Israel and Russia are involved Phase2 of DC1 will begin Oct-Nov 2002 using new event model Plans for use of Grid tools in DCs –Phase1 Atlas-EDG Task Force to repeat with EDG 1.2. ~1% of simulations already done. –Using CERN,CNAF,Nikhef,RAL,Lyon –9 GB input 100 GB output 2000 CPU hrs –Phase2 will make larger use of Grid tools. Maybe different sites will use different tools. There will be (many?) more sites. This to be defined Sep ~10**6 CPU hrs 20 TB input to reconstruction 5TB output (? How much on testbed?)

4 16 Sep 2002F Harris GridPP Imperial College4 ALICE Alice assume that as soon as a stable version of 1.2.n is tested and validated it will be progressively installed on all EDG testbed sites As new sites come will use an automatic tool for submission of test jobs of increasing output size and duration at the moment do not plan a "data challenge" with EDG. However plan a data transfer test, as close as possible to the expected data transfer rate for a real production and analysis Will concentrate the AliEn/EDG interface and on the AliRoot/EDG interface in particular for items concerning the Data Management. Will use CERN, CNAF,Nikhef, Lyon,Turin,Catania for first tests CPU and store requirements can be tailored to availability of facilities in testbed – but will need some scheduling and priorities

5 16 Sep 2002F Harris GridPP Imperial College5 CMS Currently running production for DAQ Technical Design Report(TDR) Requires full chain of CMS software and production tools. This includes use of Objectivity.(licensing problem in hand..) 5% Data Challenge(DC04) will start Summer 2003 and will last ~ 7 months. This will produce 5*10**7 events. In last month all data will be reconstructed and distributed to Tier1/2 centres for analysis. –1000 CPUs for 5 months 100 TB output (LCG prototype) Use of GRID tools and facilities –Will not be used for current production –Plan to use in DC04 production –EDG 1.2 will be used to make scale and performance tests (proof of concept). Tests on RB, RC and GDMP. Will need Objectivity for tests. IC,RAL,CNAF/BO,Padova,CERN,Nikhef,IN2P3,Ecol- Poly,ITEP Some sites will do EDT +GLUE tests CPU ~50 CPUs distributed Store ~ 200 Gb per site –V2 will be necessary for DC04 starting summer 2003(has functionality required by CMS)

6 16 Sep 2002F Harris GridPP Imperial College6 LHCB First intensive Data Challenge starts Oct 2002 – currently doing intensive pre-tests at all sites. Participating sites for 2002 –CERN,Lyon,Bologna,Nikhef,RAL –Bristol,Cambridge,Edinburgh,Imperial,Oxford,ITEP Moscow,Rio de Janeiro Use of EDG Testbed –Install latest OO environment on testbed sites. Flexible job submission Grid/non-Grid –First tests(now) for MC + reconstruction +analysis with data stored to Mass Store –Large scale production tests(by October) –Production (if tests OK) Aim to do percentage of production on Testbed Total reqt is 500 CPUs for 2 months + ~ 10 TB –(10% should be OK on testbed?)

7 16 Sep 2002F Harris GridPP Imperial College7 BaBar Grid and EDG Target: have some production environment ready for all users by the end of this year –with attractive interface tools –Customised to SLAC site Have implemented local hacks to overcome problems with –use of LSF Batch Scheduler(uses AFS) –AFS File System used for User Home Directories –Batch Workers located inside of the IFZ (security issue) Three parts of the Globus/EDG software were installed at SLAC: CE, WN and UI The exercise clearly showed that they are running fine altogether, and also with the RB at IC Had problems with old version of RB. Problems should largely go away with latest version BaBar now have D.Boutigny on WP8/TWG

8 16 Sep 2002F Harris GridPP Imperial College8 D0 (Nikhef) Have already ran many events on the testbeds of NIKHEF and SARA Wish to extend tests to the whole testbed D0 rpm's are already in the EDG releases and will be installed on all sites. Will set up a special VO and RC for D0 at NIKHEF on a rather short time scale. Jeff Templon, NIKHEF rep. in WP8, will report on work

9 16 Sep 2002F Harris GridPP Imperial College9 ATLAS-EDG task force: members and sympathizers ATLASEDG Jean-Jacques BlaisingLaura PeriniIngo Augustin Frederic BrochuGilbert PoulardStephen Burke Alessandro De SalvoAlois PutzerFrank Harris Michael GardnerDi QingBob Jones Luc GoossensDavid RebattoEmanuele Leonardi Marcus HardtZhongliang RenMario Reale Roger JonesSilvia ResconiMarkus Schulz Christos KanellopoulosOxana SmirnovaJeffrey Templon Guido NegriStan Thompson Fairouz Ohlsson-MalekLuca Vaccarossa Steve O'Neale

10 16 Sep 2002F Harris GridPP Imperial College10 Achievements so far see A team of hard-working people across Europe in Atlas and EDG (middleware + WP6 +WP8) has been set up (led by O Smirnova with help from R Jones and F Harris) ATLAS software (release 3.2.1) is packed into relocatable RPMs, distributed and validated elsewhere Following removal of the GASS Cache fix in EDG, 50% of the planned challenge is performed (5 researchers × 10 jobs) – only CERN testbed was fully available to start, but this is changing fast

11 16 Sep 2002F Harris GridPP Imperial College11 In progress: New set of challenges, including smaller input files –Presentation and first results: Luc Goossens All the core Testbed sites (1.2.2) are becoming available + FZK => the rest of the challenge has a chance to be really distributed Big file replication can be done, avoiding GDMP & Replica Manager With distributed input files, several jobs already have been steered by the RB to NIKHEF, following the requested input data. The rest of the batch went to CERN Report in preparation

12 16 Sep 2002F Harris GridPP Imperial College12 Bottom line for Task Force: Major obstacles: –GASS Cache limitations (long jobs vs frequent submission) – being worked on –File transfer time limit in data management tools – hopefully can be addressed soon Still, the ways around are known and quick fixes are deployed, allowing to run production- like jobs The whole EDG middleware is pretty much in the development state, and things are changing (improving!) on a daily basis

13 16 Sep 2002F Harris GridPP Imperial College13 Essential requirements for making 1.2.n usable by broader physics user community Top level requirements Production testbed to be stable for weeks, not hours, and allow spectrum of job submissions Have reasonably easy to use basic functions for job submission, replica handling and mass storage utilisation Good concise user documentation for all functions Easy for user to get certificates and to get into correct VO working environment So what happens now in todays reality? having had very positive discussions at Budapest in joint meetings with Workpackages –gass-cache and 20 min file limit problems are absolute top priority – being pursued with patches right now. Lets hope we dont need new version of Globus! – wrap data management complexity while waiting for version 2. (GDMP is too complex for average user) – trying out interim RM for single files. –We need to clarify use of mass store(Castor,HPSS,RAL store) by multi-VOs e.g how is store partitioned between VOs, and how does non-Grid user access data Discussions ongoing and interim solutions being worked on

14 16 Sep 2002F Harris GridPP Imperial College14 More essential requirements on use of 1.2 We must put people and procedures in place for mapping VO organisation onto test bed sites (e.g. quotas, priorities) We must clarify user support at sites (middleware + applications) Installation of applications software –should not be combined with the system installation Authentication & authorisation –Can we streamline this procedure? (40-odd countries to accommodate for Atlas!) Documentation (+ Training - EDG tutorials for experiments) –Has to be user-oriented and concise –Much good work going on here (user guide+examples). About to be released

15 16 Sep 2002F Harris GridPP Imperial College15 Some longer term requirements Job Submission to take into account availability of space on SEs and quota assigned to user (e.g. for macro-jobs, say 500 each generating 1 GB) Mass Store should be on Grid in a transparent way (space management, archiving,staging) Need easy to use replica management system Comments – Are some of these 1.2.n rather than 2, i.e. increments in functionality in successive releases? –Task Force people should maintain continuing dialogue with developers –(should include data challenge managers from all VOs in dialogue)

16 16 Sep 2002F Harris GridPP Imperial College16 Future activities of WP8 and some questions The mandate of WP8 is to facilitate the interfacing of applications to EDG middleware, and participate in the evaluation and produce the evaluation reports (start writing very soon!). Loose Cannons have been heavily involved in testing middleware components, and have produced test software and documentation. This should be packaged for use by the Test Group(now strengthened and formalised). LCs will be involved in liasing with the experiments testing their applications. The details of how this relates to the new EDG/LCG Testing/Validation procedure have to be worked out. WP8 have been involved in the development of application use cases and participate to current ATF activities. This is continuing. LCG via GDB to carry this on in broader sense. We are interested in the feasibility of a common application layer running over middleware functions. This issue goes into the domain of current LCG deliberations.

17 16 Sep 2002F Harris GridPP Imperial College17 Summary Current WP8 top priority activity is Atlas/EDG Task Force work –This has been very positive. Focuses attention on the real user problems, and as a result we review our requirements, design etc. Remember the eternal cycle! We must maintain flexibility with continuing dialogue between users and developers. Will continue Task Force flavoured activities with the other experiments Current use of Testbed is focused on main sites (CERN,Lyon,Nikhef,CNAF,RAL) – this is mainly for reasons of support given unstable situation Once stability is achieved (see Atlas/EDG work) we will expand to other sites. But we should be careful in selection of these sites in the first instance. Local support would seem essential. WP8 will maintain a role in architecture discussions, and maybe be involved in some common application layer developments THANKS To members of IT and the middleware WPs for heroic efforts in past months, and to Federico for laying WP8 foundations

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