1. 68 בס '' ד Shiur 11 – P. 86 © 2013 E. Horowitz V 3 Salting meat in a solid kli Status of the meat Two Questions 1.How much of the meat is assur? 2.How long until the meat is assur? Salted meat in a כלי שאינו מנוקב (Shouldn’t do this) ציר A: Part above Tzir B: WhenC: S’vora Why tzir ossurs meat 1Rabbeinu Peretz Rabbeinu Tam (Prisha – 2) Rama AssurWhen blood starts to come out of meat דם שפירש ממקום למקום And blood won’t drain 2Rabbeinu Tam (Prisha – 1)MutarWhen blood starts to come out of meat Blood that comes out is driven back into the meat by the tzir 3R’ Yehudah M’Bartzalona(Mutar)After shiur melicha איידי דטריד לפלוט לא בלע 4RoshMutar שיעור שיתנו מים על האש ויתחילו להרתיח Meat is pickled in its blood 5MechaberKlipa is assur Like the Rosh Blood spreads upwards a klipa (Shach) Can’t measure precisely (Minchas Yaakov) Klipa above tzir

2. 69 בס '' ד Shiur 11 – P. 88 © 2013 E. Horowitz Chalita Place meat in boiling water after salting Chalita Rambam’s Opinion ABC Why does Rambam require chalita? When is chalita required Why salt? Why not just do chalita? 1Ran (Bais Yosef)Salting does not remove all of the blood. AlwaysSurface of meat will become assur before chalita starts to work 2Aruch HashulchanSalting will pull out all blood after 36 minutes If meat salted less than 36 minutes Salting does work after 36 minutes Halacha L’Ma’aseh 1Bais Yosef, ShachDo it if possible (chumra) 2Mechaber (Stam), RamaDon’t need even with only 18 minutes of salting 3Aruch HashulchanDon’t need if meat slated for one hour V 4

3. 70 בס '' ד Shiur 12 – P. 92 © 2013 E. Horowitz 1. Salted meat properly 4. Filled up with tzir Ma’aseh D’Rashi CASE 1 1.Salted meat properly 2.Did not rinse meat 3.Placed in a כלי שאינו מנוקב 4.Filled up with tzir AABBB 3. Placed in a כלי שאינו מנוקב CASE 2 1.Salted meat (B) properly 2.Placed in a כלי שאינו מנוקב 3.Filled up with tzir 4.Removed meat (B) 5.Salted meat (A) properly 6.Placed in tzir of meat (B) 1. Salted meat (B) properly 2. Placed in a כלי שאינו מנוקב 3. Filled up with tzir 4. Removed meat (B) 5. Salted meat (A) properly 6. Placed in tzir of meat (B) 2. Did not do hadacha achrona V 2

4. 71 בס '' ד Shiur 12 – P. 92 © 2013 E. Horowitz Status of meat (And meat A in second case) 1MechaberMutar B'diavad 2Yeish (Mechaber)AssurMahol is like blood 3Yeish (Rama) Tosefos, Ra’aim Assur klipa immediatelyMahol is hot (Shach) 4RamaAssur klipa that which is in tzir 5Mutar any part out of tzir 6RashiMutar 7Rashal (Taz)Part in tzir is assur if pickledTzir has blood 8Rashal (Shach)Mutar if meat in tzir is 60x tzir 9Rashal (REA)Assur klipa even if meat in tzir is 60x tzir 10Rama (Shach)Assur klipa no matter how long it stayed in tzir Cases 1 and 2 on previous page Opinions about Ma’aseh D’Rashi V 2

5. 72 בס '' ד Shiur 12 – P. 93 © 2013 E. Horowitz כלי מנוקב Salted meat properly Wash it well כלי שאינו מנוקב Can now salt to preserver it If there is any tzir, it is of no concern at all. Salted meat properly Can roast immediately after salting without hadacha achrona. כלי מנוקב Salted meat properly כלי מנוקב Meat sat in salt for some time (problem) Wash it wellRoast meat Fix for problem Other Cases of the Mechaber Case 1 Case 2 Case 3 V 3

6. 73 בס '' ד Shiur 12 – P. 93 © 2013 E. Horowitz Roasting Instead of Salting 1MechaberUntil all of the blood has flowed out 2Ran (Rashal (Taz)) Tur C’Machal Ben Drusoi (MBZ = ½ cooked) 3Rashba (Taz) Ohr Zaruah Taz Fit for most people to eat 4Sha’arai Dura (Taz) Taz – Roi L’Nahug MBZ – L'chatchila Most women cook until outside is dry How long do you have to roast it? V 3

7. 74 בס '' ד Shiur 12 – P. 93 © 2013 E. Horowitz Problem 2: Does tzir cause blood on surface get reabsorbed? Problem 1: Does tzir contain blood that will be reabsorbed? A Closer Look at Case 1 Ma’ase D’Rashi Answer to questions 1.Rashi After shiur melicha Tzir is only mohel Has no blood. 2.Rashi (Tosefos) Mohel is no different than water Can soak meat in water after salting So too, can soak meat in mohel after salting מה לי מים מה לי מוהל Did not do hadacha achrona Salted meat properly Why doesn’t tzir drive blood back into meat? 1TosefosSurface blood is dried up after salting 2RoshSalt is now weakened 3BachMohel dissolves salt like water does V 2

8. 75 בס '' ד Shiur 12 – P. 95 © 2013 E. Horowitz 1. Salted duck2. Placed on other meat Did not do hadacha achrona 3. Notices duck is treif Case 1 – Duck on MeatCase 2 – Bird Falls into Kutach Case 1Status of other meatS’vora 1Rosh, Smag (Taz)MutarTzir not hot after melicha 2Trumas HadeshenMutar in hefsed m’rubeh and seudas mitzvah Only in a hefsed since Smak (Taz) holds salt is still hot after melicha. All hold this is assur Salty kutach cooks bird with food Salt stays hot since not drawing out blood Note - this bird is not treif Treif Duck atop Other Meat V 2 Main question – is salt still hot?

9. 76 בס '' ד Shiur 12 – P. 96 © 2013 E. Horowitz 1. Salted meat properly 4. Filled up with tzir 3. Placed in a כלי שאינו מנוקב CaseKli 1RamaAny KliAssur 2Rama (Shach)Other than cheresAssur KlipaMelicha only ossurs k’dai klipa Kli Cheres Kli where klipa can’t be removed Assur 3 4Minchas Ya’akov (Sifsai Da’as) Any KliAssur Klipa 5Shach (Sifsai Da’as)Fell outside of kli cheresAssur Klipa 2. Did not do hadacha achrona Status of Kli V 2

10. 77 בס '' ד Shiur 12 – P. 96 © 2013 E. Horowitz 1. Salted meat properly 4. Filled up with tzir 3. Placed in a כלי שאינו מנוקב CaseMeat 1RamaMilk pot w/ milk residueAssur 2TazClean milk potAssurNekudas Hakesef : Question: אין מליחה בכלים Chavas Da’as: Answer: Salt will not remove blood blios from kli Salt will remove milk blios from a kli 3Chavas Da’asClean milk potMutarSalt will not take out milk blios from kli 4Rama (Shach) Milk pot w/ milk residueMutar b’hefsed m’rubeh & seudas mitzvah Like the Trumas Hadeshen (see kutach case above) 2. Did not do hadacha achrona Milk pot Milk residue Milk Kli V 4

11. 78 בס '' ד Shiur 12 – P. 97 © 2013 E. Horowitz Washing the Meat Mechaber: According to this even though the meat was salted for “shiur melicha” it is assur to eat it until it is washed “yafa yafa” Question Why only “According to this” (i.e., only those who disagree with Rashi)? Everyone holds that we need hadacha achrona? Possible Answers – Those who disagree with Rashi will say… 1Shach (1) Tzir is not like water. Tzir has blood and is hot. Once tzir done coming out, it will push blood back into meat. Must wash before all tzir comes out. 2Shach (2) Even if you remove klippa of meat, still must wash meat since the additional tzir that comes out still contains blood. Washing will close up the nikvei plaita and stop the tzir from coming out. 3Taz According to Rashi, you don’t have to do hadacha achrona right away. You can put it in a kli sh’aino m’nukav and wash it later. Others hold you can not put meat in a kli until it is washed. Forced answer. Not evident from text of Mechaber. V 3

12. 79 בס '' ד Shiur 12 – P. 97 © 2013 E. Horowitz Status of knife if meat cut before hadacha achrona Status of knife 1Yaish (Mechaber)Needs Hagala 2BachNeeds HagalaSurface salt is hot (even according to Rashi) 3Rashi (Bais Yosef)Knife OK b’diavad 4Not like Rashi (Bais Yosef)Need HagalaBecause tzir has blood 5Mechaber (Shach) Sephardim Knife OK b’diavad 6Rama Ashkenazim Can cut with knife l’chatchila Knife not in contact with meat for a long period of time. (Nekudas Hakesef) 7TazKnife OK b’diavadEven before shiur melicha 1. Salted meat properly 2. Did not do hadacha achrona 3. Cut the meat V 3

13. 80 בס '' ד Shiur 13 – P. 101 © 2013 E. Horowitz 1. First tzir with blood comes out 2. Then tzir without blood comes out Blood from top piece will not ossur bottom piece as long as tzir is coming out of bottom piece. Meat with chicken ok too Fish without scales Mechaber: Fish assur k’dai klipah, meat is mutar RAMA: Fish needs 60x meat Fish with scales Fish mutar Salting Stacks of Meat Salting ALL pieces Salting meat & Fish Mechaber – Pocket of blood does not ossur meat. RAMA – turn over meat to empty NOTE: Top pieces must be placed prior to shiur melicha of bottom pieces Cf. 70:6, Shiur 16, (PMG: Case 1, Stage 4) V 3

14. 81 בס '' ד Blood from an upper piece of meat flowing over a lower piece of meat דם ציר נקבי פליטה Mechanisms for Blood Flowing Over Meat ABCDE Rabbosav of the Rashba ר '' ת R”Y M’Orleans יש מפרשיםתוס ' 1 שיטא Salt alone removes absorbed blood from meat מישרק שריק נקבי פליטהאיידי דיפלוט ציר יפלוט מה שבלע * איידי דטריד ליפלוט ציר לא בלע 2 עיקרמלחדםבשרציר 3Remove bottom before shiur melicha of top Can always resaltMutarAssur Mutar 4Blood in pocketsAssurMutar 5Falls into tzirAssurMutar?MutarAssur? 6Bottom after 24 hoursMutar AssurAssur? 7Bottom washed earlyMutarAssur?MutarAssur * כבולעו כך פולטו Shiur 13 – P. 102

15. 82 בס '' ד Shiur 13 – P. 102 © 2013 E. Horowitz Example of why bottom piece must stay on rack for shiur of the upper piece according to yeish m’forshim who say that blood of upper piece is absorbed in bottom piece and then Expelled by tzir of bottom piece AND according to R”Y M’Orleans. Start salting bottom piece 1:00 Meat expelling blood 1:10 Start salting top piece 1:18 Both pieces expelling blood Bottom piece absorbing blood from top and expelling it. Top piece expelling blood which is absorbed into bottom piece. Bottom piece expelling tzir AND blood from top piece 1:28 Both pieces expelling only tzir. ABCDEFG Bottom piece has no more of its own blood. Still has absorbed blood from top piece. Waiting for Top Piece

16. 83 בס '' ד Shiur 13 © 2013 E. Horowitz Beware the Double Entendre כבולעו כך פולטו Kelim Translation: The way it absorbed (issur blios) is the way it will expel (them) Context: Kashering dishes Sequence:First absorbed then expeled Issur absorbed into walls Blios removed by same mechanism by which they were absorbed Melicha Translation: (Blood) that is absorbed will be expelled (with tzir from the meat) Context: Salting multiple pieces of meat together Sequence: Absorbed and expelled simultaneously V 2

17. 84 בס '' ד Shiur 13 – P. 104 © 2013 E. Horowitz Mechanisms for Blood Flowing Over Meat - Psak AchronimRishonimMechanism 1Mechaber Rama (Shach, Chavas Da’as) Tosefos איידי דטריד ליפלוט ציר לא בלע 2Mechaber (b’diavad)Rabbosav of the RashbaSalt always absorbed blood even without tzir 3Rama (Taz) יש מפרשיםאיידי דיפלוט ציר יפלוט מה שבלע 4Everyone (Pri Megadim, Chavas Da’as) איידי דטריד ליפלוט דם לא בלע 5Rama (turn over meat)Yereim (IV”H)Use כבולו כך פוךתן only b’diavad V 3

18. 85 בס '' ד Shiur 13 – P. 105 © 2013 E. Horowitz Salted meat a second time without removing original salt or blood Salting a Second Time PsakS’Vora 1RamaMutar Second salt does not drive blood back into meat. 2Rama ((Taz) MBZ)Mutar Combination of איידי דטריד ליפלוט ציר לא בלע and The Rosh holds that salt does not drive blood into meat Not איידי דיפלוט (which is how the Taz holds) because then simply washing would not be enough. 3Rama ((Taz) Chavas Da’as) Mutar All Rishonim hold that salt will not push in blood and pull it out at the same time Question: Since Rama holds salt drives blood into meat, why can meat be salted a second time before washing off the first salt? Won’t the second salt drive in the blood removed by the first salt? V 2

19. 86 בס '' ד Shiur 13 – P. 106 © 2013 E. Horowitz Salted meat a second time without removing original salt or blood Salting a Second Time after 24 hours PsakS’Vora 1Rosh (Taz)Mutar Salt never drives blood into meat 2Other RishonimAssur Salt will drive blood into meat. 3Rosh (Chavas Da’as)Assur Heat of salt should still cook blood back into meat 24 Hours V 2

20. 87 בס '' ד Shiur 13 – P. 106 © 2013 E. Horowitz Salted meat a second time without removing original salt or blood Salting a Second Time Compared to Salting without Hadacha Rishona 69:2 Assur70:1 Mutar 1Rama (Shach – 1 ) Sifsai Da’as Dom B’ainDam Plaita (even after 24 hours) 2Rama (Shach – 2 ) No tzir is coming out when salt is applied Tzir is coming out when second salt is applied (not after 24 hours) 3Rama (Minchas Yaakov) Lots of blood – No mishrak sharikMinimal blood – mishrak sharik Salt meat without hadacha rishona (70:1) Mutar (69:2) Assur V 2

21. 88 בס '' ד Shiur 14 – P. 109 © 2013 E. Horowitz 70:1 dealt with salty chicken where fish may or may not have been salted. There it made a difference if the fish had scales or not. There - 70:1Here - 70:2 Mechaber: Here, fish is salty and chicken is not. Fish is mutar. Salt together Different cases of fish and chicken. Rama: Blood does not spread upwards. Fish is mutar. Rama: Salted together after chicken was already salted shiur melicha, fish is mutar.

22. 89 בס '' ד Shiur 14 © 2013 E. Horowitz We brought several opinions as to why blood from a top piece does no ossur piece below. There reasons do not apply to tzir, but tzir is mutar anyway ( מה לי מים מה לי מוהל ) These reasons do not apply to treif tzir, AND treif tzir will make other pieces assur. bloodkosher tzirnon-kosher tzir Continuation of previous shiur

23. 90 בס '' ד Shiur 14 – P. 110 © 2013 E. Horowitz Salt together FishChicken RashiAssurMutar Rashbam Rosh (Tur) Assur MechaberAssur KlipaMutar RamaAssur StepStageWhoWhatWhy 1AssurRashbamChicken is also assur Returning fish tzir is treif with chicken blood Fish tzir will be absorbed by chicken 2Mutar?Rosh (BY)Not much chicken blood in tzirCh’n’n only by BBCH (R’ Ephraim) Tzir can’t treif chickenCan’t assur farther than blood 3AssurRosh (BY)Some chicken blood will come out with fish tzir 4Mutar?Rosh (BY)Blood won’t reenter chicken משרק שריק 5AssurRosh (BY)Blood will reenter chickenFish tzir thins blood 6Mutar?Beis YosefStill not enough blood to assur chicken. Why does Tur say Rosh is like Rashbam? Rosh holds like R’ Ephraim 7AssurBachTur holds enough blood will come out to assur chicken Chicken blood Fish tzir containing chicken blood Questions 1.Why does the Rashbam hold the chicken assur? 2.Why does the Tur say the Rosh holds like the Rashbam?

24. 91 בס '' ד Shiur 14 – P. 112 © 2013 E. Horowitz Salted meat in a כלי שאינו מנוקב (Shouldn’t do this) ציר Klipa above tzir 69:18 Fish Salted on top of Chicken Salt together Fish on top 70:2 Basic ReasonMeat in TzirFish over Chicken 1ShachBlood flows upwards a klipaAssur Klipa Blood will flow up into fish 2Minchas Yaakov (Sifsai Da’as) Can’t be exactAssur KlipaSimply rinseCan precisely find division between chicken and fish

25. 92 בס '' ד Shiur 14 – P. 112 © 2013 E. Horowitz First salt ONLY chicken First salt only chicken and not fish Chicken blood absorbed in fish Then salt fish Does absorbed chicken blood come out with fish tzir? Fish 1Mechaber Yalkut Yosef Kaf Hachaim Mshb’tzos Zahav Assur Klipa 2RamaMutarChicken blood will come out with fish tzir 3TazAssur1.Blood makes fish assur (efshar l’schoto assur?) 2.Fish blood is thin and cannot pull out chicken blood 3.Fish tzir comes out for less than 18 minutes. No more left while fish is still expelling chicken blood 4.Chicken blood gets stuck in fish meat 4Shach Chachmas Adam Mutar B’hefsed M’rubeh V 2

26. 93 בס '' ד Shiur 15 – P. 116 © 2013 E. Horowitz 2 1 4 3 6 5 Salted Both Treif Proximity Either one on top MechaberAssur klipa Type Both lean MechaberAssur klipa Kosher MechaberJust wash Either one on top Both lean Yeish (Ran)Assur klipa KosherBoth lean Tzir from kosher reaches treif Yeish (Ran)Just wash TreifBoth lean Tzir from treif reaches kosher RamaAssur WhoKosher Meat Either one fatty Treif on bottom TreifMechaberAssur kosher treif kosher treif kosher treif kosher tzir treif kosher treif kosher treif Cases brought by the Mechaber and the Rama kosher treif tzir

27. 94 בס '' ד Shiur 15 – P. 117 © 2013 E. Horowitz ABCDEFG CaseStatement of Tosefta Kosher FishTamei Fish Current CaseStage of argument Kosher Fish & Treif Fish both salted 1Kosher fish salted with tamei fish is mutar* Salted MutaraInitial AssumptionMutar SaltedNot SaltedbSecond interpretationAssur 2Kosher salted, tamei not salted, kosher is mutar SaltedNot SaltedMutaraDifferent than case 1Mutar bExplanation of case 1Assur cMaybe contrast of case 1Inconclusive 3Kosher not salted, tamei salted, kosher assur Not SaltedSaltedAssuraImplies salted-salted OKMutar bMaybe uses this case to parallel case 2, but salted-salted also assur Inconclusive Rava says meat is assur, but Tosefta seems to say otherwise. kosher treif kosher treif kosher treif kosher treif Mutar Assur  2b3a Part of this argument uses a common Talmudic logical pattern. The Tosefta gives two extremes, each of which leads to a different inference about the middle case. Chullin 112B Kosher and Treif Salted Together * Argument hinges on clarifying this statement.

28. 95 בס '' ד Shiur 15 – P. 118 © 2013 E. Horowitz Case 1 Both Kosher and Treif Salted kosher treif kosher treif Ravan (Mordechai (Bach)) Kosher meat absorbs nothing during shiur melicha Ravyah (Mordechai (Bach)) Blood coming out of kosher meat will not stop treif tzir from coming in. Mechaber holds this way and thus kosher meat is assur a klipa.

29. 96 בס '' ד Shiur 15 – P. 118 © 2013 E. Horowitz Case 2 Only Kosher Salted kosher treif Main question Does the heat of the salted meat heat up the treif meat enough to cause the treif meat to give off tzir? ABCD OpinionKosher pieceS'vora 1GemorahMutar 2Rashba (MBZ) Bais Yosef (MBZ) Mutar Kosher piece heats up treif piece Treif piece gives off little bit of tzir Kosher tzir deflects it 3 Rashba (MBZ)Mutar Kosher piece does not heat up treif piece No tzir comes out of treif piece 4RanAssur Klipa Kosher piece heats up treif piece Treif piece gives off enough tzir to ossur kosher piece 5Rama (Shach)Mutar in hefsed m’rubeh 6Rama (RAE)Mutar in small loss 7Shach, Marshal, Levush, Toras Chatas Mutar In a case where kosher tzir reaches treif piece but pieces don’t touch, everyone agrees that kosher piece is mutar. kosher treif kosher tzir

30. 97 בס '' ד Shiur 15 – P. 119 © 2013 E. Horowitz Salty milk According to the first reason of the Rashba Something salty does heat up something not salty Salty milk will enter meat and Salty milk will heat up meat and cause tzir to go back into milk Both are assur Different than kosher/treif meat case because There, the tzir of the kosher meat repels the treif tzir Here, nothing repels the tzir of the meat Case 2 Meat in Salty Milk

31. 98 בס '' ד Shiur 15 – P. 119 © 2013 E. Horowitz Case 3 Only Treif is Salted kosher treif treif tzir kosher treif Trief meat is hot enough to ossur kosher meat. Explicit in the Mechaber Trief tzir is also hot enough to ossur kosher meat, After shiur melicha, can be maikil in a hefsed m’rubeh and a seudas mitzvah. Explicit in the Rama Shach: Everyone holds this

32. 99 בס '' ד Shiur 15 – P. 120 © 2013 E. Horowitz ISSURHETER This diagram is from Ta’aruvos, Shiur 20. In the case where the issur is fatty, can we combine all of the heter to get 60x the issur? Status of Kosher PiecesS’vorah Rambam, RambanAll pieces assurIssur wont spread evenly Rashba, Ran, Ra’ah, Rosh, TurAll pieces mutar if, in all, they are 60x issurIssur will spread evenly Rava said meat was assur. How much of the meat was assur? WhoCaseHow Much 1Rov poskimLean meatKlipa 2Rov PoskimFatty meatAll assur (up to 60x issur) 3RambamLean meatAll assur (up to 60x issur)

33. 100 בס '' ד Shiur 15 – P. 120 © 2013 E. Horowitz kosher treif kosher treif kosher treif kosher treif kosher treif kosher treif kosher treif kosher treif kosher treif Lean Meat Aruch Hashulchan Both Salted Assur Klipa Treif Salted Assur Klipa Kosher Salted Simply Rinse Side by SideTreif on TopKosher on Top Rama Need 60x in all cases (except bottom row?) 1 2 3 ABC

34. 101 בס '' ד Rinse Assur Klipa Assur Rinse Rama Need 60x in all cases (except bottom row?) Assur Klipa Shiur 15 – P. 120 © 2013 E. Horowitz kosher treif kosher treif kosher treif kosher treif kosher treif kosher treif kosher treif kosher treif kosher treif At Least One Piece is Fatty Side by SideTreif on TopKosher on Top Assur Aruch Hashulchan Both Salted Treif Salted Kosher Salted 1 2 3 ABC

35. 102 בס '' ד 1Yeish -1 (Mechaber)AssurBlood and salt on surface reabsorbed into meat 2Yeish -2 (Mechaber)MutarEven after several days 3MechaberMutar B'diavad 4Tosefos (Rashba(Tur))Assur klipaSalt will drive expelled blood back into meat 5Rosh (Tur)Mutar Blood dried up Salt no longer hot 6Everyone (Shach)Mutar All blood slipped off Surface liquid is only mohel Salt no longer hot Shiur 16 – P. 124 12 Hours After 12 hours tzir is done coming out © 2014 E. Horowitz V 2

36. 103 בס '' ד Shiur 16 – P. 124 © 2014 E. Horowitz Dam B’ain Rama Dam B’ain falls on meat being salted Salted meat is hot Meat is assur Mechaber: “or meat that had been salted and has no blood in it” Shach: Two explanations of the Ran 1.Toras Chatas Salted for 18 minutes Blood gone Tzir still coming out Washed Nikvei plaita closed Absorbed blood won’t come back out 2.Maharshal, Drisha Salted for 12 hours Blood and tzir is gone Nothing to pull absorbed blood out V 2

37. 104 בס '' ד רשא '' ל – מותר בדעבד שחיטה הדחה ראשונה מליחה שיעור מליחה 24 hours Case 1 – Meat at various stages touches other meat that is being salted (Stage 3) Stage 1 Not Washed Stage 2 Washed Not Salted Stage 3 Shiur Melicha Expelling דם Stage 4 Expelling ציר 12 hours Stage 5 Expelling minimal ציר Stage 6 No longer expelling ציר ש '' כ מותר כבולעה כך פולטו מותר This is the simple case of many pieces being salted together discussed in Shiur 13. It is mutar based on the four opinions discussed there. If meat touches one other piece – מותר בדעבד If meat fell into several pieces – מותר בהפסד מרובה רמ '' א, רשא '' ל – אסור אפילו בצלי רמ '' א ( ט '' ז ) Wash and resalt כבולעה כך פולטו ש '' כ : מותר – איידי דטריד לפלוט לא בלע תורת חטאת, R’ Yonah, Maharshal, Shach Nikvai plaita will close. Meat is assur. Other meat (b) Shiur 16 Yeish (Ran) osrim מחבר – l’chatchila Other piece Our meat (a) רמ '' א מותר רמ '' א, ש '' כ – מותר בהפסד מרובה רמ '' א - מותר מחבר – Yeish 1 - matirin to salt R Yonah, Rashba (Shach, Taz, Pri Chadash) Rabosav of Rashba (Aruch Hashulchan) מחבר - Yeish 2 - matirin in all cases R’ Tam (Aruch Hashchan, Biur Hagra ) Yeish osrim (Ran) מחבר - l’chatchila מחבר - Yeish 1 - matirin to resalt Rabosav of Rashba (Aruch Hashulchan) מחבר - Yeish 2 - matirin in all cases Rabosav of Rashba (Shach, Taz, Pri Chadash) to resalt R’ Tam (Aruch Hashchan, Biur Hagra) Taz: If washed meat Rabosav of Rashba Nikvai plaita stay open. Meat mutar R’ Yonah (RAE, MBZ) איידי דטריד only by blood, not tzir – meat assur. Rabosav of Rashba (MBZ). Salting always works. Resalt meat. V 2 © 2014 E. Horowitz

38. 105 בס '' ד מליחה כצלי Less than שעור כיבוש כבוש כמבושל Longer than שעור כיבוש שחיטה הדחה ראשונה מליחה שיעור מליחה 24 hours Case 2 – Meat at various stages falls into ציר in a כלי מנוקב. Stage 1 Not Washed Stage 2 Washed Not Salted Stage 3 Shiur Melicha Expelling דם Stage 4 Expelling ציר 12 hours Stage 5 Expelling minimal ציר Stage 6 No longer expelling ציר Shiur 16 ציר © 2014 E. Horowitz V 4 רמ '' א ( ש '' כ 2) Tzir is weak. Wash & resalt up to 24 hours Pri Chadash Sifsai Da’as – Hefsed M’rubeh פרי מגדים : מותר לכבוד ארחים דגול מרבבה : מותר בהפסד מרובה מחבר, ר '' מא ) שפתי דעת ) רש '' ל מותר רמ '' א ( ט '' ז ): אסור resalt רש '' ל : רמ '' א ( ט '' ז ) ט '' ז : אסור רמ '' א אסור מיד בהפסד מרובה – wash & resalt רש '' ל, רמ '' א : אסור ט '' ז ( פ '' מ ): אסור ש '' כ ( פ '' מ ): Ok in great need רמ '' א, ש '' כ, ט '' ז ( ש '' ד ) ש '' ד : אסור מיד רש '' ל : אסור בקליפה ט '' ז : resalt in הפסד מרובה רמ '' א : אסור מיד רש '' ל : אסור בקליפה רש '' ל : אסור רש '' ל ( ש '' כ, ט '' ז ): אסור בקליפה

39. 106 בס '' ד רמ '' א ) ש '' כ (2 Up to 24 hr בהפסד מרובה – wash & resalt מחבר, ר '' מא ) שפתי דעת ) ט '' ז, ש '' כ מותר מליחה כצלי Less than שעור כיבוש כבוש כמבושל Longer than שעור כיבוש שחיטה הדחה ראשונה מליחה שיעור מליחה 24 hours Stage 1 Not Washed Stage 2 Washed Not Salted Stage 3 Shiur Melicha Expelling דם Stage 4 Expelling ציר 12 hours Stage 5 Expelling minimal ציר Stage 6 No longer expelling ציר Shiur 16 Case 3 – Meat at various stages falls into ציר in a כלי שאינו מנוקב. Bloody ציר © 2014 E. Horowitz V 3 רמ '' א ( ש '' כ 1) איידי דיפלוט Wash & salt (up to 24 hours) רש '' ל ) ט '' ז ),Minchas Yaakov (Pri Megadim) רמ '' א ( ש '' כ 2, ט '' ז ), ט '' ז, רע '' א Assur רש '' ל ( ש '' כ, ט '' ז ): אסור בקליפה פרי מגדים, חוות דעת : hefsed m’rubeh – not real dam b’ain מותר פרי מגדים : אסור But not worse than stage 1 חוות דעת : Like רש '' ל בהפסד מרובה See Shiur 11 if meat touched bottom If meat didn’t touch bottom חוות דעת : Meat in ציר is אסור * Same as Case 2 * רש '' ל : אסור רמ '' א ( ש '' כ 2)Assur pickled רמ '' א אסור מיד בהפסד מרובה – wash & resalt * רמ '' א, ש '' כ, ט '' ז ( ש '' ד ) ש '' ד : אסור מיד רש '' ל : אסור בקליפה ט '' ז : resalt in הפסד מרובה רמ '' א : אסור מיד רש '' ל : אסור בקליפה רש '' ל : אסור * *

40. 107 בס '' ד Shiur 18 – P. 143 © 2014 E. Horowitz ציר ABC Case כלי מנוקבכלי מנוקב שאין מקום לזובכלי שאינו מנוקב SourceRama – 70:6Toras Chatas – 7:2Rama – 69:18 HalachaWash & SaltAbove tzir is mutarAll assur rack Note that in case B, the rack is considered a כלי מנוקב even though it is sitting in a כלי שאינו מנוקב Three cases of the Rama as explained by the Shach (40). V 2

41. 108 בס '' ד Shiur 19 - Intro © 2014 E. Horowitz 1. Hair (wool) 3. בשר 4. Skull 5. קרום 6. Brain 2. Hide Regions of interest in sheep head Krum has many veins Brain has lots of blood Skull restricts blood flow Issues Krum restricts blood flow Salting hair 7. בית השחיטה V 2

42. 109 בס '' ד Shiur 19 – P.149 © 2014 E. Horowitz ABC Split HeadPuncture KrumS’vora 1Taz, ShachPreferredOK 2Mishb'tzos Zahav (1)PreferredOKHave to make sure hole faces down during salting. 3Mishb'tzos Zahav (2)PreferredOKSalting through hair doesn’t work fully. MBZ prefers first answer. 4Tshuvas Bais Yaakov (Pischei T’shuva) RequiredNo GoodWith spaces in the head only salted on one side. Pischei T’shuva rejects this. Preparing the head for salting AB Splitting HeadSalting on Hair 1Rashba says Must split the headOK to salt on the hair 2Bais Yosef asks If salt works on hair why split head? Head salted on both sides. Why do we care if salt works on hair? Head is salted on one side anyway. Rashba holds we can salt one side. 3Bais Yosef answers Skull and krum trap blood in brain One side is b’diavad. This is l’chatchila.

43. 110 בס '' ד Shiur 19 – P. 150 © 2014 E. Horowitz Salted foot with hoof attached ABCDE Status of HoofMeat in hoofRest of footPosition 1MechaberKli MenukavMutar 2RamaKli She’aino MenukavAssurMutar 3ShachKli She’aino MenukavAssurMutarEven upright 4Others (Shach)Kli She’aino MenukavAssurMutarOnly on side 5Others (Shach)Kli She’aino MenukavAssur Upright Salting hooves V 2

44. 111 בס '' ד Shiur 19 – P. 150 © 2014 E. Horowitz Brains Stira in the RamaABC Remove BrainSplit HeadPuncture Krum 1Mechaber 71:1 2Mechaber 71:3 3Rama 71:3B’diavad (implied) 4Rama 68:4L'chatchilaB’diavadAssur? (implied) Resolutions B’diavad in both cases ABC Rama 68:4Rama 71:3 1ShachMeat not cookedMeat CookedIf not cooked, then split head. If already cooked then it is OK. 2Minchas YaakovSplit & upside down ok Punctured and hole down ok Don’t consider skull to be kli sheaino menukav. 3Yad YehudahBrain not separate piece If head is split, might think that we are salting head on one side and brain on one side Skull is not kli sheaino menukav 12 2 1 2 rows

45. 112 בס '' ד Shiur 19 – P. 151 © 2014 E. Horowitz Salting with no hole Why meat is mutar 1Shach – 1 Sifsai Da’as Ran (Sifsai Da’as) Skull keeps brain blood in 2Shach – 2 Mata Yehonasan Skull keeps most of brain blood in 3Rosh (Sifsai Da’as)Krum keeps brain blood in Salt entire head with no hole Brain assur Meat mutar V 2

46. 113 בס '' ד Shiur 19 – P. 152 © 2014 E. Horowitz 1.Bones with marrow need to be salted 2.Bone marrow has a small amount of blood 3.Bones without marrow do not need to be salted 4.Bones do not need to be punctured before salting 5.Cooked, unsalted bone is mutar with 60x the marrow Then even the marrow is mutar Since it has so little blood Marrow Unsalted bone Salting bones

47. 114 בס '' ד 1.From beis hashchita 2.http://www.biologyjunction.com/sheep_heart_dissection_lab_repor.htm Shiur 20 – P. 155 © 2014 E. Horowitz ABCDE Blood Typically in Cavities Blood Drawn into Cavities 1 Blood in Meat Blood seeping from meat into heart 1RashiWhoRav (R’ Zeira)Braisa 2Term דם דאתי מעלמאדם דיליה 3Type דם הנפשדם איברים 4Law כרתלאו 5Rif, Rosh WhoRav (R’ Zeira)Braisa 6Term דם דיליהדם דאתי מעלמא 7Type(thin) דם הנפשדם איברים (thick) דם איברים 8 Law כרתלאו Sheep Heart 2 7B 3C 3D, 7D 7E Types of blood in the heart Juggler vein V 2

48. 115 בס '' ד Shiur 20 – P. 155 © 2014 E. Horowitz General opinions about eating the heart ABC 1Darchei MosheCustom not to cook heartMay cook without opening 2Darchei MosheMany people do cook hearts 3Yeish (Rama)Do not cook 4Rashal (Taz)Maikil 5Pri Megadim, Chavas Da’asMinhag to cook 6Gemorah (Horaios 13B)Not advisableBad for memory 7Arizal (Kaf Hachaim)Not advisableConnects soul to animal Leads to forgetfulness and simplicity

49. 116 בס '' ד Shiur 20 – P. 156 © 2014 E. Horowitz Cooking heart full of blood Rashi, Rambam Case: Cooked heart with blood Heart is smooth, wont absorb blood According to Pesachim Can empty heart after cooking R’ Tam, Bais Yosef Case: Roasted heart with blood Heart does absorb Pesachim is not psak Can empty heart after cooking Blood that was not absorbed now comes out Blood that was absorbed came out during roasting Gemorah Cooked heart with blood Can empty heart after cooking (Chullin 109B) Heart is smooth. Does not absorb during cooking. (Pesachim 74B) V 2

50. 117 בס '' ד Shiur 20 – P. 156 © 2014 E. Horowitz Heart full of blood - Mechaber SaltingRoastingCooking MechaberEmpty after saltingEmpty after roastingNeed 60 to mevatel Sometimes the Mechaber allows us to drain the blood of the heart after the fact. Shach asks that the heart blood is dom b’ain and should be assur. Why does the blood in the heart which is dom b’ain not a problem? Sifsai Da’as (3) ABC S’voraKulaChumra 1Toras ChatasSmall amount of dom b’ain absorbed can be removed like dom plaita. Even external source of dom b’ain can be removed. Blood is real dom b’ain and will assur other meat. 2MaharaiBlood dries up and is like dom plaita.Blood is like dom plaita and will not assur other meat. External dom b’ain will assur heart. 3RambanHeart is smooth. Does not absorb.External blood ok Will not assur other meat Does not mention a chumra V 2

51. 118 בס '' ד Shiur 20 – P. 157 © 2014 E. Horowitz Heart full of blood - Mechaber How much other food is needed to mevatel the heart? Case A Not Salted Case B SaltedNotes 1Sharai Dura60x chambers (b)No blood in walls 2Tur (Maharshal(Taz))60x heart (a)60x chambers (b) (implied)Agrees with Sharai Dura 3Tur (Rama, Shach)60x heart (a)Argues with Sharai Dura 4Taz, Maharil60x heart (a) 5Mechaber60x heart (a) 6Mechaber (Shach)60x heart (a)60x chambers (b) 7Minchas Yaakov60x heart (a)Ch’n’n 8RamaHeart assur Blood dries inside (Shach) Case B: Not opened Salted Blood in chambers Blood in walls? Cooked Case A: Not opened Not Salted Blood in chambers Blood in walls Cooked a. Entire Heart b. Chambers c. Walls Shach asks why Tur needs 60x heart if salted. No blood in walls, should need only 60x chambers. AnswerShach notes 1Smak (IVH)Like salting meat on one side. Some blood remains.Heart like large piece of meat. Is salted on both sides. 2Tur (Shach)Can’t estimate chambers.Mechaber holds we can measure chambers. 3Mechaber (Shach)Heart has not been saltedIf salted, only need 60x chambers. V 2

52. 119 בס '' ד Shiur 20 – P. 159 © 2014 E. Horowitz Blood davuk to heart Heart davuk to Meat Case A Blood davuk to heart Heart davuk to meat Salted together Cooked together Case B Blood davuk to heart Heart touching meat Salted Together Cooked together Meat davuk to heart heart blood Case ACase B 1Minchas YaakovNeed heart walls & meat = 60x cavitiesNeed 60x heart. Blood davuk to heart 2Sifsai Da’asLike Minchas Yaakov in hefsed m’rubeh 3Rama (Shach) Halacha Remove klipa from meat 4Rama (Minchas Yaakov)Remove klipa from meatDon’t need to remove klipa 5RAE, Dagul Mair’vavaCount heart as klipa? 6Yad EphraimBlood does not go into heart, just meat. Meat touching heart V 2