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1 Are you a Secularist? (The above presentation has been in repeated circulation. I modified same with my observations in brackets. The person in the left was described by the right as secularist. If any of them is a secularist, I am not a secularist!)

2 Then please answer these questions for yourself (This statement is a psychological trap. It presumes I said “ I am a secularist” to the first question. Why answer myself? I wish to tell my answers to all. Let everyone realize the facts here in)

3 There are nearly 52 Muslim countries. (only 24 countries declared as Islamic states not 52!) Show one Muslim country which provides Haj subsidy. (Unfortunately Govt got into the trap in 1970 in a hurry to protect sudden increase in fares due to rise in oil price and is unable to get out in view of losing popularity. I wish NDA should have reversed it!)

4 Show one Muslim country where Hindus are extended the special rights that Muslims are accorded in India? (Why secular country be compared with any Muslim country? Why do you want Hindus be given privileges in any Muslim country? Remember they don’t give any privilege even to Indian Muslims. In fact Shi’as and Sunnis do not give any respect or privileges to each others. Hindus have their own character and Hinduism preaches non-aggression and tolerance. Let us not learn from Muslims what we Hindus should be. Lest we may become Muslims! Be a Hindu and be proud of being Hindu. Always copy / learn from better people not from the worst. The social and financial status of Indians (migrated Hindus) in other countries is not comparable to Indian born Muslims. Do not compare with Pakistan. It is a failed country. Pakistan cannot be a guide to our path. )

5 Show one country where the 85% majority craves for the indulgence of the 15% minority. (Things would have been different if 85% crave for 15%. But good lot of Hindus are divided by some Hindu fundamentalist parties. Thus forcing every other group to woo 15% to their side. Advantage Muslims! Hence they get better deal here than those in Islamic Pakistan!!! When will Hindu fundamentalist realize and get out of this self made trap?)

6 Show one Muslim country, which has a Non-Muslim as its President or Prime Minister. (What will we gain out of that? Show me one country that has 15% Hindu native population. We are talking as if we elected an Imam as President. Can you tell one reason why we never elected a Muslim as Prime Minister? There is one exception where a Hindu fundamentalist party in power wanted to woo Muslims by selecting a Muslim as President!)

7 Show one Mullah or Maulvi who has declared a 'fatwa' against terrorists. ( Yes we can’t find. They didn’t do it even in Pakistan when their people were killed. May be they are afraid that they would be first targeted by terrorists! Mullahs know very well that terrorist have no religion except they use the name of religion and also they have no respect or soft corner to Mullahs.)

8 Hindu-majority Maharashtra, Bihar, Kerala, Pondicherry, etc. have in the past elected Muslims as CM’s, ….. Can you ever imagine a Hindu becoming the CM of Muslim - majority J&K? ( You are quoting past in four states. We have elected Muslims as CMs not because of their religion. They were democratic choice. If not we should have 15% Muslim CMs at any given time. Why quote only handful of states? Why other states did not elect Muslims as their CMs at least one in 60 years? Is it because of Hindu prejudice? Nope! Democracy did not produce a Muslim CM in the remaining states. Finally what do you suggest? Should we ask for Hindu CM in J&K or should we bar Muslim as CM in other states?)

9 In 1947, when India was partitioned, the Hindu population in Pakistan was about 24% ….Today it is not even 1%. In 1947, the Hindu population in East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) was 30% …. Today it is about 7%. In 1947, the Hindu population in East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) was 30% …. Today it is about 7%. What happened to the missing Hindus? Do Hindus have human rights? (About 7 million Hindus migrated to India and 7 million Muslims migrated to Pakistan. They drove Hindus and we drove Muslims! That means almost all Hindus returned. The left over now is less than 1%. Then whom are you referring as missing Hindus. Just after partition, there were attacks on Hindus. Some Hindu patriot must have stayed back and protected Hindus there. When all were running away by carts and trains sri Advani, RSS leader in Karachi, took flight to India! )

10 In contrast, in India, Muslim population has gone up from 10.4% in 1951 to about 14% today; …whereas Hindu population has come down from 87.2% in 1951 to 85% in 1991. Do you still think that Hindus are fundamentalists? (Worthy point. Yet this increase is in 60 years does not warrant any panic. This happened because of birth control policy. This control was exercised by educated without much of religious bias. Most Muslims are uneducated and hence live in poverty! I have seen many educated Muslims going for birth control. Solution to this problem is making FP compulsory as done in China. Muslims may not agree but will all Hindus agree? I wonder why NDA did not try this. They have been highly vocal on this FP policy.)

11 In India today Hindus are 85%. If Hindus are intolerant, how come Masjids and madrasas are thriving? How come Muslims are offering Namaz on the road? How come Muslims are proclaiming 5 times a day on loud speakers that there is no God except Allah? (None will say Hindus are intolerant. They are most tolerant and most peace loving. This does not mean Nathuram Godse and followers of his philosophy are not Hindus. It does not say higher cast people who are doing atrocities on lower cast are not Hindus. Can anyone say Naxalites are not Hindus? There are always exceptions. We should admit that we have intolerants and also terrorists among us. There are many Hindu temples still in Pakistan. Let us not trigger them to demolish those too.)

12 When Hindus gave to Muslims 30% of Bharat for a song, why should Hindus now beg for their sacred places at Ayodhya, Mathura And Kashi? Hindus now beg for their sacred places at Ayodhya, Mathura And Kashi? (who gave what to whom? Please note 30% of Bharat got separated. Hindus did not own it. It belonged to the natives of that area! And whom are you begging for Ayodhya, Mathura and Kashi? You want to reverse the history! Did Muslims object for renovation of Somanath temple? Let us not join hands with those who want to drive a wedge for vote catching. Did you not notice that our PM who silently got Masjid demolished was dragged down by the Hindu fundamentalists ?

13 Why Gandhiji objected to the decision of the cabinet and insisted that Somnath Temple should be reconstructed out of public fund, not government funds. When in January 1948 hepressurized Nehru and Patel to carry on renovation of the Mosques of Delhi at government expenses? (Until plebiscite in Feb 1948 Junaghad was not part of India. I wonder how Gandhiji who died in January is dragged in to this controversy. Was such a decision taken at all by Nehru’s cabinet to reconstruct with public funds? In 1948 Gandhiji asked to remove the scars made by (tolerant and peace loving ) Hindus during partition riots. It was a penalty to Government for its inability to protect. But Somnath temple was defaced by a uncultured Muslim invaders in history. Does anybody know why Somnath temple issue came up suddenly after several centuries. Why it was not reconstructed till 1948, when Swaminarayan Mandir could be built in Junagadh in 1828)

14 Why Gandhi supported Khilafat Movement (nothing to do with our freedom movement) and what in turn he got? (By supporting Khilafat Movement, Congress won the hearts of one sect of Muslims and they happily joined freedom struggle. Muslim league dominated by other sect did not join hands in Khilafat Movement and preferred to be a puppet in the hands of British Raj. And please note neither Muslims got anything nor Hindus lost anything in Khilafat Movement because of Gandhiji’s support. Whereas Hindu fundamentalists are trying to gain by exploiting this issue )

15 If Muslims & Christians are minorities in Maharashtra, UP, Bihar etc., are Hindus not minorities in J&K, Mizoram, Nagaland, Arunachal Pradesh, Meghalaya etc? Why are Hindus denied minority rights in these states? (I really don’t get head or tail of this argument. If you start listing minorities state-wise soon demand will get down to village-wise in the above states where Hindus are in minority!)

16 When Haj pilgrims are given subsidy, why Hindu pilgrims to Amarnath, Sabarimalai & Kailash Mansarovar are taxed? (Please note pilgrims to Manasa Sarover do get subsidy. Strictly speaking Hindus should get such a subsidy not only to these four places but also to other many pilgrim centers in India and abroad. And also should extend this subsidy to Sikhs to Nanakram in Pakistan, Christians to Vatican etc. I wonder, will such action justify subsidy to Haj pilgrims! Few Hindus understand the extent to which the state underwrites the practice of their faith. The case of the Maha Kumbh Mela, Haridwar, Allahabad, Ujjain and Nashik, is a case in point. The 2001 Mela in Allahabad, State spent over Rs.1.2 billion — 12,000 taps that supplied 50.4 million litres of drinking water; 450 kilometres of electric lines and 15,000 streetlights; 70,000 toilets; 7,100 sanitation workers, 11 post offices and 3,000 phone lines; 4,000 buses and trains. Regarding taxation, answer lies in knowing why pilgrims to Tirupathi, Varanasi etc are not taxed.)

17 When Christian and Muslim schools can teach Bible and Quran, …. Why Hindus cannot teach Gita or Ramayan in our schools? (There is no bar on such teachings in Hindu schools. In fact there are several schools doing that. ‘Our schools’ I suppose you mean government schools or government curriculum. Bible, Quran and Gita are not to be on state curriculum. I wonder what it would be, if state starts giving Gita Bhashyam! This would be another version to be added to available different versions of Gita Bhashyam. Let Gita have its sanctity.)

18 Do you admit that Hindus do have problems that need to be recognized? Or do you think that those who call themselves Hindus are themselves The problem? (Everyone has problems. Hindus can’t be an exception! Not only they should be recognized they should also be addressed. However the major problem is with those who claim to be sole representatives of Hindus. Shankarachryas, Jeeyer swamys etc who read and understood vedas are pushed aside by pseudo Hindus & political leaders with no knowledge of vedas are the problems.)

19 Why post - Godhra is blown out of proportion, when no-one talks of the ethnic cleansing of 4 lakh Hindus from Kashmir? (Ethnic cleansing is issue of Jihadi terrorists. None gains anything by blowing it out of proportion. Kashmir is an issue of geography, history, religion and political. Whereas post-Godhra is a state sponsored political issue targeting one religious group for improving vote bank eying for PM chair. No issue ever in this country can be comparable to that of Kashmir.)

20 Do you consider that - Sanskrit is communal and Urdu is secular, Mandir is Communal and Masjid is Secular, Sadhu is Communal and Imam is secular, BJP is communal and Muslim league is Secular, Dr.Praveen Bhai Togadia is ANTI-NATIONAL and Bhukari is Secular, VandeMatharam is communal and Allah-O- Akbar is secular, Shriman is communal and Mian is secular, Hinduism is Communal and Islam is Secular, Hindutva is communal and Jihadism is secular, and at last, Bharat is communal and Italy is Secular? (None says so. Why this question? Why use Bharat (BJP) and Italy (Sonia’s congress party in the last paragraph?).)

21 Why Temple funds are spent for the welfare of Muslims and Christians, when they are free to spend their money in any way they like? (Although no such direct spending is quotable, Government control on temples is objectionable. Yet I find even the Hindu fundamentalists when got power in center or states did not de-link Temple properties from Government’s controls. Do you know why NDA at centre or BJP in states did not do so? BJP does not propose this even in their manifesto! What happened to Ram Mandir donations?)

22 When uniform is made compulsory for school children, why there is no Uniform Civil Code for citizens? (Is there any connection to school uniform and Uniform Civil Code? Do you want to drop demand for Uniform Civil code if uniform is removed in schools! Uniform Civil Code is a must for creating homogeneous society. I wonder will Uniform Civil Code create a homogeneous society in our heterogeneous society or should we find a way of living with it. If Uniform Civil Code is thrust, we may find many partitions in our country. Muslims may not be the only obstructers of this Uniform Civil Code. Think why Hindu fundamentalists did not talk about this when in power. By saying Uniform civil code are we saying imposing Hindu code on all? If not tell me which civil codes will be picked up from Islam? Instead of UCC, it would be better to ask Hindus to opt for Hindu law, if there is any and Muslims to opt for Muslim law, that prescribes lashing in public, amputation etc.)

23 In what way, J&K is different from Maharashtra, TamilNadu or UttarPradesh, to have Article 370? (Is J&K comparable to other states? To know this we need to know why we have special rules in tribal areas. We agreed to allow formation of Pakistan with Majority Muslim areas. As J&K was a princely state not directly under British Raj we had to give some concessions to Muslim majority J&K. This is applicable to Hindus of J&K also. We threw Indira Gandhi out of power without considering she diluted / nullified Article 370. Remember instead of scrapping this during their NDA government, Hindu fundamentalists have wooed Muslims by running bus service for Kashmiri Muslims to travel to Pakistan and Pakistani Terrorists to India. And they took pride that their PM travelled by first bus!)

24 Abdul Rehman Antuley was made a trustee of the famous Siddhi Vinayak Temple in Prabhadevi, Mumbai ….Can a Hindu - say Mulayam or Laloo – ever become a trustee of a Masjid or Madrasa? (Did Muslims thrust him on Hindus? That shows how much Antuley won the hearts of Hindus. You can not rule out the possibility of Mulayam or some one else to take such a post, provided they don’t mind to have the ire of Hindus.)

25 Dr. Praveen bhai Togadia has been arrested many times on flimsy grounds. Has the Shahi Imam of Jama Masjid, Delhi, Ahmed Bhukari been arrested for claiming to be an ISI agent and advocating partition of Bharat? (Who claims what ‘he is’ is not important. Whereas ‘what they are’ is important. Some will cause riots when jailed and some will cause riots when not jailed. That decides who should be arrested. Are we innocent enough not to understand why Bhukari claimed himself as ISI agent? Collect some proofs, not his statement, and lodge a complaint in Delhi police station and see results.)

26 Can this happen anywhere, except in a HINDU NATION - BHARATH? JAI HIND !!! (Yes this can happen, not in a Hindu Nation, but in this country. And it happens not because of Muslims or Christians but because of dubious and divisive behavior of Hindu fundamentalists.) A Muslim President, A Hindu Prime Minister and a Christian Defence Minister run the affairs of the nation with a unity of purpose. (If congress does it, it is called as wooing of minority votes. If BJP does it, it is on unity purpose. Both do it to grab power and to retain power. What else is the reason for selecting a Christian for vital defence by BJP lead NDA? Why even before disproving the Kargil allegations this Christian Defence Minister was reinstated by our Hindu fundamentalists! Same Hindu fundamentalists selected a Muslim to be our President. Do you believe that he was treated as representative of Muslims of this country?)

27 Please forward it to as many Indians as possible. (I wish this reply too to be forwarded) "Hinduism is not a religion it is a way of life. - Swami Vivekananda (Yet our Hindu fundamentalist call it a religion and compare it with other religions!)

28 This is not prepared by/for any political party/group (shoulder searching!) … these are the observations & the thoughts of a Citizen Of India (at last after so much of hard work why lie like this? Is this not dubious behavior of Hindu fundamentalists? There are a lot more issues in this country that call our attention then why spread this religious hatred!)

29 What is said in it?  Under the banner ‘pseudo secularism’ this is being circulated for the past 5 years or more.  It drives you to feel that things are bad on Hinduism front in our country.  All the matter put herein is false or half truth.  Circulation of this will spoil our minds.  They want UPA to do what NDA did not attempt.

30 My analysis on situation:  Nazi took Germany into their hands by slogan ‘return of German pride’ and ‘supremacy of Aryans’. The country was ruined as Hitler was keen to have more countries under his flag. Its pride did not return but enemy returned.  Russia was taken over by Communists by the slogan ‘equal rights & socialism’. The leaders were keen to spread communism to other countries. Life of people did not improve but poverty was equally distributed. The union broke up.

31 The situation…  Muslim League propagated that partition as freedom from Hindus. They got Pakistan but the people there lost everything including freedom.  Mao brought communist revolution to improve lives of peasants and workers in China deposits its money in US and makes goods for the comforts of Americans. Peasants lost their lands to US companies in China and workers became slaves in them.  Islamists, talk of Jihad on Christians and Hindus, keep collecting money and ammunition. Now they kill their own m en.

32 The situation…  How was it possible for those leaders to drag people to wrong side?  Did they have majority with them?  Not really! Only a few stupid and hardcore fundamentalists got attracted to the emotional slogans and supported them.  The remaining majority were silently watching.

33 The result In all those cases control went into the hands of fascist / fundamentalists / communists etc., who never cared people and never respected public interests. In all those cases control went into the hands of fascist / fundamentalists / communists etc., who never cared people and never respected public interests.

34 Conclusion Never be a silent spectator. Be careful while reading or listening not to get carried away by what is communicated. StudyAnalyzeDiscuss Understand Understand Act judicially. Act judicially.

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