Presentation on theme: "“Evidence” For an Old Earth Radioactive decay is the most referenced “evidence” for the earth being old We will now examine the other evidences that are."— Presentation transcript:
“Evidence” For an Old Earth Radioactive decay is the most referenced “evidence” for the earth being old We will now examine the other evidences that are popularly used We must keep in must the Biblical framework of the flood when addressing these issues Most end up proving the flood
Geologic Column The geologic column represents the different layers of sediments (earth) that we find The idea is that different layers of geologic column represent different periods of time (on the order of millions of years) of earth history “It needs to be emphasized that the rock layers making up the pages of this “book of earth history” are not all found exposed to view at any one spot on the earth’s surface.” - Dr. Andrew A. Snelling
The idea of the Geologic Column representing long periods of time was made most popular by Charles Lyell Each layer of the column has index fossils associated with them that allow you to identify the layer
We are going to look at the big picture of the geologic column, later on we will look into more details on some individual layers What about these index fossils? Are they only found in one specific layer? The Wollemi pine is a remarkable example of a living fossil. In recent years a grove of trees was found just 100 kilometers west of Sydney, Australia’s largest city, in the Blue Mountains. “Extinct” fossils found
It was thought to be extinct since the so- called Jurassic period—about 150 million years ago on the uniformitarian timescale. One researcher said it was like “finding a live dinosaur”.
Below is a living coelacanth (a crossopterygian fish) from Grand Comoro Island in the Indian Ocean. Its fossil counterpart is allegedly 300 million years old. No evolution has taken place.
Bent rock layers prove a rapid formation For parts of the geologic column “In many mountainous areas, strata thousands of feet thick are bent and folded into hairpin shapes. The conventional geologic time scale says these formations were deeply buried and solidified for hundreds of millions of years before they were bent. Yet the folding occurred without cracking, with radii so small that the entire formation had to be still wet and unsolidified when the bending occurred.” – Dr. Russell Humphreys
“The conventional explanation is that under the pressure and heat of burial, the hardened sandstone and limestone layers were bent so slowly they behaved as though they were plastic and thus did not break. However, pressure and heat would have caused detectable changes in the minerals of these rocks, tell-tale signs of metamorphism. But such metamorphic minerals or recrystallization due to such plastic behavior is not observed in these rocks.” Dr. Andrew A. Snelling How do they explain these formations?
The presence of ephemeral markings (raindrop marks, ripple marks, animal tracks) at the boundaries of paraconformities show that the upper rock layer has been deposited immediately after the lower one, eliminating many millions of “gap” time.
Poly-Strata Fossils crossing two or more sedimentary layers (strata) are called poly- (many) strate (strata) fossils. The fossils connect layers supposed to be tens of thousands of years apart… How did the tree not decay in that time?
We have examples of them (and other geologic features) forming today in catastrophic situations
We see how these things form today
Petrification and fossilization The July 2004 issue of Sedimentary Geology included a paper by five Japanese scientists reporting their experiments on the rapid Petrification of wood as an indication that silicified wood (fossilized by impregnation with silica) found in ancient strata must likewise have been rapidly petrified.
Some fossils show evidence of rapid burial and fossilization One fish giving birth to another
One fish eating another
We have many examples of Petrification and fossilization happening quickly In the example of Mount St. Helens, the trees at the bottom of spirit lake are already starting to petrify In order to fossilize something you just need moving water and the right mineral conditions, which would have been extremely prevalent during the flood
Petrified forests In Yellow Stone national part (and multiple places around the world) we find layers of petrified forests stacked up on top of each other. There are 18 stacked forests in Yellow Stone that reach 2000 feet in height. At Mt. Amenthyst- Specimen Ridge, there are 27, at Mt. Hornaday there are 31, and at least 65 levels in the Specimen Creek area.
The secular interpretation proposes that one forest grew and then after hundreds or thousands of years a volcano blew up a buried the forest and a new forest grew on top of the old one. If after a volcano eruption it takes 200 years for the next forest to begin to grow (reforestation), and then another 500 years for the trees to grow fully, then it would have taken a minimum of 45,000 years to form the 65 levels at Specimen Creek.
There is loads of evidence that the petrified forests and the trees that are in them grew elsewhere. That is to say they did not grow where the forests are stacked on top of each other, but were transported there from other areas due to a catastrophic event. In many different cases trees will be passing through the layer above them (Poly-Strata) this indicates that they were transported there.
If the tops of trees had been penetrating into the forest above them, the tops of those trees would be subject to infestation and rotting, “If these were successive forests that grew in place, the tops of any tree stumps protruding into the next growing forest would be subject to infestation by insects, rotting, and decay, yet the petrified wood tissue in these tree stumps looks as fresh as the wood tissue in living trees.” – Andrew Snellings
The next problem is the variety of species of plants and trees that we find The most abundant of the fossilized tree stumps are Sequoia (redwoods), with pines being second in abundance. From identifications of the fossil wood, pollen, leaves, and needles, the number of plant species represented in these Yellow-stone petrified forests is over 200. This represents a diverse grouping of species including exotic genera such as cinnamon, breadfruit, katsura, and Chinquapin that presently restricted to southeastern Asia.
We would not expect such an ecological diversity if the trees represent a forest in the position of growth. These species range from temperate (pine, redwoods, willows) to tropical and exotic (figs, laurels, breadfruit), and from semi-desert to rainforest types
Another problem with the scenario of these forests growing where they are found is something called soil horizons. The soil in the Yellow Stone national park petrified forest shows no detectable amounts of lay in them, this means the soil layers do not represent newly formed soil in a forest, but instead were laid down by some other methods (like water.) The absence of clay shows there was no significant passage of time between the different soil layers in this forest.
Tree ring dating We’ve all heard that if you chop a tree down, and count the rings, you know the age of the tree Some take it to another level, and include dead trees
They look for a historical mark to extrapolate
“An expert in the genus Pinus didn’t seem to have any problem believing that White Mountain BCPs grew multiple rings per year.” Mark Matthews The first thing we’d like to point out:
After a certain age, these trees develop what is called strip-growth
How can dead wood lay on the ground for up to 7,000 years while the dead wood in strip-growth trees completely disintegrates in a fraction of that time? In a matter of years this strip growth starts to decay away
“How is it possible that seven feet (213 cm) of dolomitic surface, can erode away over the course of 7,000 years, while dead wood could remain essentially in place on the surface of the ground over that same period? Can the dead wood really be that much more resistant to destruction than the rocks are?” Mark Matthews Not only would the wood have to lay down for 7,000 years without decay, it would also have to survive the mountain eroding away
How do we explain all the tree rings? - Water is rare - Young trees do fine - Older trees cant get enough water - Water conservation mechanism
This does present a problem for the idea of an old earth though The oldest of these living trees has under 5,000 tree rings These trees have no upper limit age, which means if the earth is tens of thousands of years old… we should have FAR older trees
Memory Verse “Let your speech always be with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer each one.” Colossians 4:6