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1 So You Want to Go Backpacking?! What About a Gift Idea? Got Your Gear? Know What to Buy? What Do You Really Need?

2 First, You Need a Backpack Internal Compression straps External Tie on extra gear

3 Backpacks 101 Pack IssuesInternalExternal Torso adjustmentYesNot typically Cost70-100’s Brand* (or similar)Kelty-Coyote/Red Cloud Kelty-Tioga Biggest issueLack of pocketsFrame too big Hip beltNeeds to fitTypically too big RecommendationGet fitted at REI*Throw away Dad’s old one from 70’s CapacityGoal cuDon’t need bigger

4 Backpacks 101 Get fitted at REI. Shop around (Campmor, Academy, Gander Mtn) If external frame: purchase straps for sleeping bag/tent Don’t use bungies (lost, need strength, only 1 use) Slice/melt and attach to frame to prevent loss.

5 Backpacks 101 Brands? Top rated are: Gregory Kelty Dana Designs Toughest pack: Arc’Teryx Bora (Backpacker 2/2005) I recommend: External: Kelty Tioga/Super Tioga Internal: Kelty: Coyote/Red Cloud

6 Backpacks 101 Top rated are: Gregory (Forrester or Shasta: Tough. Top sellers. Wt 5 lb 8oz $249.95) Kelty (Red cloud/Coyote Wt 5 lb 6 oz. $119.99) Dana Designs. Toughest pack: Arc’Teryx Bora (Backpacker 2/2005) Waterproof zippers. Wt. 6 lb 9oz. Padding, adjustments. $ I recommend: External: Kelty Tioga/Super Tioga Internal: Kelty: Coyote/Red Cloud

7 Backpacks 101 Adult backpack recommendation Kelty Shadow 4750 Weight 3 pounds 10 oz. 2 pounds less than most $160 range Scouts Kelty Coyote Weight 5 pounds, 6 ounces $ and 4700 cu inches

8 Backpacks 101 Adult backpack recommendation Purchase name brand. Kelty sells smaller hip belts Get a women’s as exchange Scouts Kelty Coyote Weight 5 pounds, 6 ounces $ and 4700 cu inches

9 Loading the Pack- Bottom to Top Sleeping bags Critical element Leave summer camp bag at home Weight Bulk Warmth A bargain might not be a bargain- do your research and get what you need/want the first time.

10 What Do You Really Need? Rating of degrees Less than 4 pounds Mummy (hood) style 2-way zipper Full length draft tube (zipper cover) Offset quilting (inside/outside) Stuffing- go with hollow Hollofil II Quallofil Thermolite Polarguard 3D is best NOT down Cold when wet. Expensive Cost $35-50 for starters

11 What Does It All Look Like? Both rated to 20 degrees Note offset quilting (although parallel) Mummy bag has stuff holder pouch for pillow underneath (cool feature in some Sierra Designs*) Note yellow zipper tube for warmth

12 Recommendations: Favorite Companies: The North Face Sierra Designs Kelty Marmot 54% prefer down 46% prefer synthetics Source: Backpacker magazine Feb 2005 Get the ONE you will use forever the first time….

13 How Do You Store It? Expanded. Unstuffed. Inside backpack. Bigger the better Get a compression sack $ Hard for young scouts-have to teach it (crush between knees and chest How Do You Carry It?

14 What About a Sleeping Pad? Therm-a-rest is best. Self inflating Light weight Save up and get what you really want Easy to repair-duct tape Gift idea - patch kit $8.00 $35.00 and 15 oz $30.00 and 24 oz

15 What About a Sleeping Pad? Full length for Alaska ¾ Length good-stuff clothes under feet Thinner is lighter ¾” Some models fold in ½ lengthwise and can be rolled to 4”x10” Get the chair! Store unrolled/inflated Valve open Roll cover/Pillow stuff $17 4 oz. Avoid mesh (punctures) Fits 20” wide $ oz.

16 What About a Sleeping Pad? So what do you buy? Therm-a-Rest ¾ length Prolight series ($59) Rolls 11 x oz Stuff sack or pillow/roll cover Chair (when older/experienced) Get what you want first time Roll cover/Pillow stuff $17 4 oz.

17 Buy what you want the first time $59 too much? Willing to carry something a little bulkier? Tip: Campmor has seconds. ¾ length pad, 1” about $25- $35 Web deals only.

18 Tents- Weight Against Body 2-man 2-vestibule Skip the footprint (use plastic) Stay under 6 lbs Aluminum poles Get a vented rainfly 3 season works well $110 on sale- $129 regular Kelty Gunnison or REI half-dome (outsells all other tents REI sells 3:1) Carry trash bag for wet tent

19 What Is the Goal of the Big Three? Pack, sleeping bag and tent portion Target goal Less than 10 pounds COMBINED. Control what you can when purchasing. Not always possible to reach this goal.

20 Clothing Goes in Next Pack for the season-but remember the BSA motto— Be prepared! Photo taken in Colorado on June 21 (first day of summer) Temp 20. Note bare feet.

21 Clothing Goes in Next-against Back Pack for the season-but remember the BSA motto— Be prepared! Photo taken in Colorado on June 21 (first day of summer)

22 Clothing From the Feet Up Socks Liners Polypropylene Wool Avoid Wool blends with cotton Smartwool* best (particularly “Expedition”) Can be expensive How many? 3 liners and 2 Wool for a 2 week trip.

23 Underwear Yes wear it. Boxer type helps reduce chaffing. Avoid cotton but pricey. $7-$50

24 Long Underwear Polypropylene pants For degrees price $10 Silk For o F -hard to care for- $22 Expedition weight-usually with a wool inner layer (For 0-20 degrees) $30 (a great bargain in April) I own these, to hot in them. Hot chili’s

25 Pants Zip offs great Bring two uppers? 1 pair of lowers Note cargo pockets Zip off over boots Buy quality “soft” nylon Treat with Scotchguard*

26 T-shirt Under armor type Short sleeve/long sleeve Wicking is key Bright colors RED (hunting season) Need 2 for a week long trek and a 3 rd just to sleep in

27 Torso Layers Lightweight polypropylene is perfect for any moderate activity in cold weather. 100 percent polypropylene with Transpor movement technology. Flatlock seam construction. Avg. Wt. 6 oz. Single layer $10.00 now ($7.00 in spring)

28 Torso Layers 2 Expedition weight (0-20 degrees) polypropylene is best suited for low to moderate aerobic activities in very cold weather. 100 percent Innova polyolefin. Smooth outer surface with fleeced inner. Flatlock seam construction for comfort. Avg. Wt. 12oz. 2 layers. $30.00 now ($10 in spring)

29 Light Wind Layer Nylon LS Shirt (Magellan type) Avg. Wt. 9 oz. Can be pricey ($25-50) Beware venting in back (not mosquito proof) Good choice, reduces wind, gives sun protection, some mosquito resistance

30 Warm Outer Layer- Vest Polartek 200 (hollow fiber) 6 oz. Not the 100 count fleece Cost $14.99 (sale) A sweater is the traditional layer, but heavier than vest. Most people warm enough with out the vest layer.

31 Outer Layer for Warmth- Fleece Get a fleece with pockets. Pull over warmer than one with a full zipper Polartek Wt 12 oz. $21.00 Don’t bring cotton hoddie

32 Windproof Layer Suggest a windbreaker/rain jacket to do double duty Get one big enough for layering Can be expensive Best: Marmot Precip $80

33 Windproof Layer Med: Red ledge $50 Breathable fabric Arm pit zips Pockets inside chest Folds into side pocket- very compact Get breathable pants

34 Windproof Layer- Buy the Pants Too Med: Red ledge $50 Breathable fabric Arm pit zips-nice Pockets inside chest Note Pack cover Get one that fits Great gift item Cheaper-Trash bag works too Get the pants that zip all the way on/off (avoid this)

35 Windproof Layer Competing brands- Frog skins (note mottled coloring) Cheaper than others, might not be a durable?

36 Windproof Layer Low: Vinyl Can tear Not really durable Heavy Nonbreathable Cost: $10 Get Frog Skins instead of vinyl- or spend a little more for Red Ledge.

37 Rainproof Layer Low: Poncho Can tear Not really durable Heavy Nonbreathable Not really wind top layer Cost: $10 Does it work? Yes, note the length and trash bag pack cover. Cheapest, but not as many uses… personal choice. Use it at home first.

38 How Cold Is This System Good To? About 20 degrees Additional items- all would make good gifts Gloves Fleece or Poly. work- light weight but hard to find Consider a “fishing glove” Hat Knit/ Wool/ Poly Baklava (face/ neck/ hair cover) Sun/ Rain Hat Beyond the ball cap, should protect ears Vented Not cotton

39 How Cold Is This System Good To? Gloves Fleece or Poly. work- light weight but hard to find Get ones with a waterproof cover. For some treks, cotton work gloves (spray treated) Simpler solution (wear socks on hands)

40 How Cold Is This System Good To? Warm Hat Knit/ Wool/ Poly Baklava (face/ neck/ hair cover) Open face more comfortable than just eye slit

41 How Cold Is This System Good To? Can do some double duty ( little warm, sun and rain protection Sun/ Rain Hat Beyond the ball cap, should protect ears Vented Not cotton

42 What Goes on Top of Pack? Food Pots Stove Fuel (wrap in plastic if liquid) Troop gear (rain tarp, rope)

43 What About Water? Nalgene bottles-***** Don’t wrap with duct tape (Philmont x) Get 2- use 1 for powdered drinks Platypus- tough, but small mouth Camelback- nice, but not a must have Use a bottled water bottle-lighter and free (mark it for cups) Carry against body

44 Water Recommendations 49% use bottles 51% use bladders Carry against body

45 You Need Light Buy what you really want the first time Consider micro lights for weight/backup $20 (2 AAA) $10 (2 AA) $5 $8 (1 AAA) $3 (watch)

46 What I Don’t Carry- What I Do Carry Great gift idea A micro leatherman – Leatherman tool (already put in crew first aid kit)

47 What I Don’t Carry- What I Do Carry Great gift idea A micro leatherman – Leatherman tool (already put in crew first aid kit)

48 More Needed Items Pump mosquito spray Personal first aid kit

49 More Needed Items Bowl/Cup/Spoon Waterproof matches No plate No fork No knife

50 More Needed Items ’ of Parachute cord (woven better than poly- can unravel it and use for thread)

51 Nice Gift Items Backpacking towel (nice to have) Thermometer A Bandana works too

52 Other Items/gift ideas? Disposable camera Handkerchief TP with Trowel Biodegradable soap Chap stick Lotrimine Second skin Hand cream? Sun screen Bullfrog spray Contact lens fluid Compass w/ Mirror Carry items with multiple uses Use mirror with contacts

53 Any Other Ideas? Water Treatment tablets Yes- Filters work but weigh 1 lb.+ Campmor catalog (read and use as a fire starter) Still need a gift idea? Backpacker Magazine Book: A Walk in the Woods Book: Into Thin Air Book: The Complete Walker DVD: Into the Void

54 Where Can You Get All This? (hiking & camping equip.) New store- near Willowbrook Mall Tomball Parkway (290) (just S of 1960) (hiking & camping equip.) Gander Mountain (I-45 and 2920) Offer a Scout discount (10%, bring your card/uniform shirt)

55 Now That You Have It— How Do You Pack It? Heavy items against back Pay special attention to where you are carrying water. Tricks for a pack that does not fit (yet) Duct tape a towel around the hip belt Contact company, trade for Women’s hip belt The most important item: Boots Scout: Coleman seem to be boot of choice, around $40- Academy Adult: Spend the money, go to REI and get fitted. Vasque Sundowner-1 piece leather upper top seller since 1984

56 What Else Do We Need? There are many good lists available. Check your Scout Handbook for good ideas How Much Is Too Much? 25% of your weight. For a 100 pound Scout, the Most he can comfortably carry is 25 pounds 1/3 is the Maximum he should have at anytime

57 What About Troop Backpacking Gear? Stove Liquid fuel MSR Whisperlite Canister MSR Pocket Rocket Only fits MSR tanks Superfly (fits all canisters) Both are top sellers

58 What About Trekking Poles? Nice on mountains, otherwise save the $100 More of an Adult item Most Important- Have fun the first time so you will do it again!

59 Remember the key is fun We want you to go more than once Don’t buy everything at once Borrow items first Make do a few times


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