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reporting ‘almost significant’ results: follow-up to PRIMENT stats seminar (27 August 2013) stats methodologists meeting 10 September 2013

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plan brief summary of Priment seminar – deconstructing the phrase “…trend towards statistical significance” investigating how p-values move what p-values tell us how best to report near-significant results?

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The trap of trends to statistical significance: how likely it really is that a near significant P value becomes more significant with extra data John Wood Nick Freemantle Michael King Irwin Nazareth

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“…a trend towards statistical significance…" …is a very popular way of reporting ‘non- significant’ results where the p-values weren’t ‘too far’ above some threshold (usually p=0.05) (e.g.) “…there was a trend toward a lower risk of any treatment failure … (hazard ratio... 0.86; 95% CI, 0.73 to 1.01; P = 0.06)” is this a reasonable use of words? does it make sense to call it a ‘trend’

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‘trends’ imply movement we’ve collected data comparing 2 treatments and found the 2-sided p-value (2p) to be just above 0.05 (say) if this is a ‘trend towards significance’ then the following should be true: – running the experiment longer (k% more data)… – then p-value ‘should’ drop (get more significant) what are the chances?

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(aside) how we might calculate that current data {x i } – all ~N(μ,1) - is 100 (pairs of) observations, each contributes an estimate of the treatment effect overall current estimate x̄~N(μ,0.01) is greater than 0 with 2-sided significance 2p – can express x̄ in terms of p: x̄=0.1*Φ -1 (1-p) our current knowledge about μ is reasonably represented by the likelihood, so (loosely) μ~N(x̄,0.01) now add in an extra k pairs of observations (k% more data), which will have a mean of ȳ: ȳ|μ ~N(μ,1/k) ȳ~N(x̄, 0.01+1/k) significance is unchanged if: – (updated mean)/(updated SEM) = (old mean)/(old SEM) – [(100.x̄+k.ȳ)/(100+k)].√[100+k] = 10.x̄ have the distribution of ȳ, so can calculate chance of significance moving ‘backwards’

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what is likely to happen if we add 20% more data… extra data % of current (k) current 1.tailed p.val (p) current 2.tailed p.val (2p) prob p.val gets less sig with more data odds (x:1) against that 200.0050.010.292.4 200.0250.050.342.0 200.030.060.341.9 200.040.080.351.8 200.050.100.361.8 200.0750.150.381.6

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summary a p-value ‘on the brink’ would be quite likely to move the ‘wrong’ way if we were able to add more data therefore, talking of ‘trends to significance’ is misleading impression p-values have much more variability associated with them than we’d like to think (and not just when H 0 is true)

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investigating how p-values move simple-comparative trial; up to n=250/group; effect-size = 0.3

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what question do p-values answer? not: “are the effects of A and B different?” (with “no” as a possible answer) but “can we be confident of the direction from A to B: is it ‘up’, ‘down’ or ‘uncertain’?...” …the follow-up question is about ‘how much’ J. W. Tukey (1991). The Philosophy of Multiple Comparisons. Statistical Science 6 100-116

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how should you report near-significant results? not as ‘trends towards significance’ but this is certainly not an argument for ignoring ‘interesting hints’ (Tukey again) so, a word like ‘hint’ perhaps, and always with the CI views?

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