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In service of the Nation IDSE Association cordially welcomes Lt. Gen. Jatinder Sikand, VSM, ADC 12 th November 2013.

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1 In service of the Nation IDSE Association cordially welcomes Lt. Gen. Jatinder Sikand, VSM, ADC 12 th November 2013

2 2 Agenda Why are we here today? 1 1 Key Issues & Proposed Redressal 2 2 Support Sought 3 3

3 3 Why are we here today? Expected mutually acceptable outcome Quash the trust deficit among the 2 divisions of the family (as highlighted by the recent incident) Objective of the meeting Heart to heart talk : examination of facts  Much like a doctor-patient conversation Confide in the Head of the family Address the issue of growth of Civilian Officers - Presently dependant on Army Address organization's concerns - Working arrangement in CE Zones - Amendment of SRO Designations in CCEs

4 4 Agenda Why are we here today? 1 1 Key Issues & Proposed Redressal 2 2 Support Sought 3 3

5 5 Cadre review Channel of DPCProposal Implementation of 3 rd Cadre review with due urgency in a time bound manner, without any requirement of revision of Estt. Sanction Model DPC Calendar be followed religiously to avoid extensive delays MoD Wks II D (Appts) D(Vig) D(Lab) ACC MoD D (Appts) MoD JS (E) UPSC MoD (RM) Posting order RM 30 days 60 days 70 days days Cadre review sanction for all practical purposes is revised Estt. Sanction What is left is manning proposal for new posts which should have no linkage to DPC demand and may be obtained in the intervening time

6 6 Uniform designation Like Executive Appt  Will also solve issues related to Establishment Sanction and COR Col & SE both to be posted as Directors in CE Zones Director  SO1 1.Posting order, Name plate,Signature block (Not recognized!) 2.Delay in implementation of Establishment Sanction 3.Functional requirement 4.Duties, in no way different from Col (Director) 5.Court Cases Re- designation of Civilian Officers SE  Col 1.Equal Grade Pay 2.Different appointments being held by Col & SE in executive and staff appointments 3.Similar up-gradations not provided to SE (SG) 4.V CPC gave S.G. to all SEs 5.All court cases decided in favour of SEs 6.Various orders of Ministry in favour of SEs 7.Ground situation : No SE reporting to Col Pre-1986Post-1986 Lt. ColSEColSE ExecutiveCWE StaffSO1 ACESO1 I 2 IssueProposed Redressal I 2

7 7 SE & Lt Col were equal as the scale of SE was equal to present EE(SG) ( ) and SE(SG) now SE equal to Col was in the pay scale of The total qualifying service for SE is also changed from 9 yrs to 13 yrs.Now 9 yrs is for EE (SG) As AVS Committee report al Lt Col are to be posted as SO I/SO II As per MS br Lt Col are being posted to Zones against existing def of SO II & SO III, however MS12 is posting them as SO1 MoD has issued the letter dated 05 Dec 2008 after lot of deliberation Is this to be included anywhere? Back-up

8 8 Establishment Sanction Utter disregard to MES Establishment Sanction of 2008, issued based on Presidential order of E2W (PPC) continues to follow the no-longer valid Estt sanction issued in 2002, mentioning old designations of MES CGOs - Major source of functional problems - Root cause of day-to-day conflicts IssueProposed Redressal Implementation of Establishment Sanction of 2008 in letter & spirit IDSE Officers be part of deliberation on revision of Establishment Sanction

9 9 Channel of Reporting (COR) Various issues in COR of SEs Hundreds of representations in MIS MIS work-load will be drastically reduced if problem is resolved COR, instead of being reinforced in its present form, deserves cancellation and needs fresh drafting and approval from cadre controlling authority, post incorporation of Govt orders/re- designations of MES CGOs Proposed redressalIssue

10 10 PerceptionFacts There exists a huge deficiency of officers in EE rank (Working Level) The deficiency of civilian officers at EE level is only 6.4% Army has shortage of 10,100 officers; IAS cadre has 30% shortage (As per Statement in parliament) - However, Army & IAS have not stopped foreign assignment/ deputation/long courses If EEs are sent on deputation, available pool of officers at EE level will become critical Vacancies due to deputation will create additional vacancies for promotion of lower rank - e.g. If 10 EEs are sent on deputation, 10 more AE/A EEs get promoted in next DPC Generating additional vacancies at higher level, officers can be given faster promotion MES has 78 ex cadre vacancies which can be utilized in phased manner Civilian EE rank is a pool of young motivated officers who may be allotted GE or initial level staff duties EEs are of three categories  5-9 yrs of service (Gp Rs 6600) - 42% of total  9-15 yrs of service (Gp Rs 7600) - 21% of total  yrs of service (Gp Rs 8700) - 37% of total EEs with yrs of service (Gp Rs 8700) most de-motivated  Highest level of professional dissatisfaction; Earned only one promotion in 24yrs; No career advancement opportunities (trainings or courses) Deputation Policy : Utilization of Ex cadre Vacancy “Facts betray perception” Allow officers on deputation within approved limit Liberal detailment of MES officers on courses like NDC, HDMC, DSCC, APPPA, MBA, M Tech

11 11 Deputation : Need to improve efficiency of Cadre Management Section Current StatusProposal All the applications for Deputation, CSS, foreign travel, Study leave etc handled by only one officer who handles posting of AE/AEE also Post one dedicated Dir level officer to handle Deputation, CSS, foreign travel, Study leave etc Officers be made accountable for time bound processing of the cases Fixed time limit for processing the cases that needs to be monitored at higher level Make status update available on MES website for each application Application be invited directly by E-in-C’s Br

12 12 Deficiency of Civilian Officers at EE level Back-up Strength of EEs Strength of EEs held as per AISL407 Promoted from AE to EE42 Promoted from AEE to EE21 Promoted from EE to SE-21 Total EEs449 Deficiency of EEs Sanctioned strength of EEs 480 Net deficiency =31 % age deficiency31/480 *100 = 6.4%

13 13 Unfair interchanging of posts Sharing of Appointments Unequal ratio between Civilian & Service Officers in executive posts Interchange between posts being done arbitrarily and is not fair. Good stations transferred from Civilian post to Services post –e.g. CE Zone : Delhi Cantt, Jaipur, R&D Secunderabad –CsWE: Bangalore (AF) South & North, Secuderabad (AF), Kirkee, Mumbai (Navy) –GEs appointments are also transferred arbitrarily FormationTotalServiceCivilians DG MAP11- DGNP22- CE ZONES CE R&D211 CCE55- CWE STE742 Alternate tenure allotment Post of ADGs/Directors may also be covered in rotation of appointments Posts earmarked for IDSE Offr not to be transferred IDSE Offr in offg arrangement to be posted IDSE officers be involved in decision-making 1 2 Proposal

14 14 E2W (PPC) unilaterally proposing new setups viz. CCEs Based on already failed model of MAP; need to re-look MAP/CCE model Adverse effects on efficiency of MES organization -To deliver same results with depleted strength -Deprivation of growth opportunities for already stagnant cadres To cope with ever increasing workload, create additional CE Zones/CsWE/GEs Already sanctioned posts of CsWE (134 No.) and GEs (426 No.) should be activated Large no. of infra projects & high W/L in a few zones makes a strong case for creation of CE zones -However, CAP on strength of Corps of Engg. dependant on entire Army & not W/L of MES -Establishment apprehensive of creating more zones so as to keep in check # of Civilian CEs & ratio between Brig & Civ. Officers Strongly recommended to invoke provision of para 22 of RMES for new projects (CCEs, MAP....) “… A Chief Engineer may, in special cases be appointed for large projects which cannot conveniently be handled by the Chief Engineer of Command” CE (P) will cease to exist after completion of project - Ratio between Service & Civ offrs will not be disturbed Should be treated as ex-cadre or accretion posts Accretion of posts for MAP & CCE

15 15 Other issues & Proposed Redressal (1/4) Posting of DG (Pers) It is re-iterated to remove the post of DG from the list of sensitive posts and resolve the issue at the earliest 4 th Cadre Review Work-load norms Time taken in sanction of CR is very long Requested that the proposal for the 4 th cadre review based on work-load be initiated at the earliest Involvement of Senior IDSE Officer in Works Policy matters Jt. DG (RTI & Legal) Presently no involvement of Senior IDSE officers in works policy formulation & implementation  e.g. creation of MAP & CCEs Uniform designation in Staff Appointments & postings in CCE Uniform designations are followed in executive appointments : same should be the case in staff appointments & CCE/MAP also -e.g. Director (Project) CCE Dinjan; CWE (CCE) Dinjan

16 16 Other issues & Proposed Redressal (2/4) Irregular posting of service officers as SEI/SO1 (P&L) It is requested that these appointments (which are exclusively sanctioned for IDSE officers) be reverted to the cadre officers Revision of SRO 19E Published in 1989 Distribution of senior level posts heavily loaded towards service officers We are lagging behind our counterparts in other departments & even within the MES -Architecture : 20%, Surveyor : 25%, Engineers : 50%, B/S & Administration : 33 1/3 % Sharing of CE Command appointments should be 50:50 between service and civilian officers ->90% work load MES -Matters related to combat/troops may be handled by service officer posted in Command HQ SurveyorArchitectIDSE CE83 (2009) 85 (2010) 82 (2013) SE92 (2010) 87 (2002) 95 (2012) 87 (2002) 87 (Nov 2013)

17 17 Other issues & Proposed Redressal (3/4) Rules for induction of Service Officers in MES Comprehensive rules for induction of service officers with definite EQs & DQs - Non qualified officers were posted to important projects  e.g. Architect posted as GE for work of Runway Resurfacing at Leh; Air Force Station in Bamrauli; Car Nicobar -Due to strict ACR norms, very high % superseded, de-motivated Transfer of MIS (Civ) to DG (Pers) Portion of MIS (Civ) dealing with MES CGOs be transferred to DG (Pers) Strict implementation of National Litigation Policy

18 18 Other issues & Proposed Redressal (4/4) Ensuring organizational interests Equivalency issue needs to be addressed Merit-based postings in important projects, not on the basis of IDSE/Service Officers e.g. DG MAP Amendment of SRO 92 SRO 92 is statutory document enforceable by law We are open to amendment of SRO 92 Till amendment materializes, our suggestions are as follows: - Send officers > 45 years only on volunteer basis, as per SRO -Sufficient officers < 45 years with rich experience shall be available to take up appointments in CCEs if incentivized adequately - Post SEs having done CWE as CCE - Post EESG having done GE as CWE (CCE)/Director (CCE) in one up appointment - 1 st choice posting on re-patriation

19 19 Working arrangement in CE Zones : Option 1 Dir (Plg & Coord) Dir (Wks & Bud)Dir (Pers & Legal) Dir Design Dir E/M & Resources Dir (Arch) Dir (Cont) Chief Engineer SEs & Col shall be posted as Dir. - Uniform designations of Dir/Jt Dir/Dy Dir etc.should be followed for Service & Civ Offrs Col(TS)/ Lt Col shall report to Dir. Dir (Plg & Coord) will Co- ordinate all Plg activities of Wks Viz Plg, Design, E/M, E6 & E8 (Pre contract Stage) CE will be Initiating officer (IO) for ACR of all the Directors

20 20 Working arrangement in CE Zones : Option 2 Dir (Plg & Coord)Dir (Wks & Bud)Dir (Pers & Legal) Dir Design Dir E/M & Resources Dir (Arch)Dir (Cont) Chief Engineer SEs & Cols shall be posted as Dir. - Uniform designations of Dir/Jt Dir/Dy Dir etc.should be followed for Service/Civ offrs Col(TS)/ Lt Col shall report to Dir. Dir (Plg& Coord) will coordinate all plg activities of wks of plg, Design & E/M. CE will be Initiating officer (IO) for ACR of all the Directors

21 21 Agenda Why are we here today? 1 1 Key Issues & proposed redressal 2 2 Support Sought 3 3

22 22 Support sought Spirit CBM required to bridge Trust Deficit Generation of confidence among Civilian Officers that their interests are looked after & they receive equal attention from the head of the family -Off-set current perception of being treated as cheap/bonded labor or step-offspring Arresting misuse of ‘Concerns regarding dilution of Military Character’ - 2 I/C concept cannot influence Military Character Action Removal of minor irritants Equivalency: why not in MES? Well defined officiating orders in Zones/CWE/GE Posting as SO1 ACRs – R&D formations Fair decisions with regards to allocation of good stations Re-visit purpose of taking up same agenda points with Army Commander repeatedly  Examine need for seeking comments from CEs only a few days before conference -Perceived as intended towards vitiating the atmosphere Deploy-ability of Sr IDSE officers (“As away from Delhi as possible!!”) Functional arrangement in zones : CE Zones were always dealing with SO1 directly

23 23 “....Where….the head is held high … Where the world has not been broken up into fragments By narrow domestic walls ….Where the clear stream of reason has not lost its way Into the dreary desert sand of dead habit…. Into that heaven of freedom, my Father, let my country awake” - Pt. Rabindranath Tagore (‘Where The Mind Is Without Fear’)

24 24 Where The Mind Is Without Fear Where the mind is without fear and the head is held high Where knowledge is free Where the world has not been broken up into fragments By narrow domestic walls Where words come out from the depth of truth Where tireless striving stretches its arms towards perfection Where the clear stream of reason has not lost its way Into the dreary desert sand of dead habit Where the mind is led forward by thee Into ever-widening thought and action Into that heaven of freedom, my Father, let my country awake - Pt. Rabindranath Tagore Version 2. Please delete whichever version you do not like


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