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EU-US eHealth/Health IT Cooperation Initiative Interoperability of EHR Work Group November 13, 2013 0
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Meeting Times 4 Washington, DC 10:00am (ET) Washington, DC 10:00am (ET) London 3:00pm/15:00 (GMT) London 3:00pm/15:00 (GMT) Germany 4:00pm/16:00 (CET) Germany 4:00pm/16:00 (CET) Athens 5:00pm/17:00 (EET) Athens 5:00pm/17:00 (EET) Interoperability of EHR Work Group meets every Wednesday Due to the federal U.S. holiday (Thanksgiving Day), we will re-schedule our Thursday, November 28th webinar for Monday, November 25 th from 10:00am - 11:00am (ET)/3:00pm - 4:00pm (GMT)/4:00pm - 5:00pm (CET)/ 5:00pm - 6:00pm (EET).
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Preparing for Meetings 9 Given our timeline and the amount of material to cover please ensure you are up-to-date with all of the activities of the interoperability work group – Visit the “Past Meetings” section of the wikipage for the latest interoperability meeting materials and recordings http://wiki.siframework.org/Project+Meeting+Artifacts. http://wiki.siframework.org/Project+Meeting+Artifacts – If you have questions, need help or want a quick update please feel free to reach out to any member of the support team – We will have little or no time to review what was covered the week prior in order to make our deadlines and deliverables FIRST MILESTONE: Completed Use Case by December 4th (with consensus completed by December 18th)
Use Case Development Timeline 10 DateInputsDiscussionOutputs 11/13/13 Updated scope based on comments Comments that need further discussion Finalize Scope Discuss Assumptions, Actors, and Roles Assumptions, Actors, and Roles to be posted for comments Data exchange diagrams and tables and pre and post conditions to be posted for comments 11/20/13 Updated Assumptions, Actors, and Roles based on comments Updated data exchange diagrams/tables and pre and post conditions Comments that need further discussion Review and update Data exchange diagrams Data exchange tables Pre and Post Conditions Data exchange diagrams, data exchange tables, pre and post-conditions to be posted for comments 11/25/13 Updated data exchange diagrams, data exchange tables, pre and post-conditions based on comments Comments that need further discussion Draft data element tables Review and finalize Data exchange diagrams Data exchange tables Pre and Post Conditions Review and update draft data element tables Finalized Data exchange diagrams Data exchange tables Pre and Post Conditions Draft data element tables to be posted for comments 12/04/13 Updated data element tables based on comments Comments that need further discussion Review and finalize data element tablesFinalized data element tables 12/11/13 Draft use case with all sections completed End to end review of draft use case Updated use case based on end to end comments and ready for consensus posting 12/18/13 Consensus comments mapped into the use case Review consensus comments and finalize use case Approved use case
Use Case Discussion Today’s discussion: – Scoping including Comments Goals for today: – What if any text should be translated? – Should codes with existing translation include the translation? – If text is translated, what languages should be covered? – Can we assume that the EU will adopt the same standards for internal data sharing as they will for EU to US data sharing? – Are activities that involve paper copies out of scope? – Are scenarios with someone acting on behalf of a patient out of scope? – Are radiology images out of scope? – Are consents in scope? – Is break the glass in scope? – Assumptions – Actors & Roles
Scoping Review Comments received on wiki Address specific areas of scoping: – Language translation – Areas of translation – Geographic – Additional items 12
Question: Should Language Translation be in or out of scope? Barry Robson - We really don’t have time to discuss fully these on the calls, which is probably just as well as many of the items could be a 45 minute seminar. We should put patient safety before fears of IT-based liability, and help avoid medical errors. They drive litigation anyway, and medical errors could be costing even just the US $1 trillion a year in cost.(http://www.healthdatamanagement.com/news/medical-errors-economic-cost-study- hospitals-45134-1.html). I presume the above question relates to natural language textual comment that cannot be placed into canonical form, i.e. into well -defined attributes or fields governed by a crisp ontology. Incidentally, though, I think there are safety merits in having a brief summary of essentials in natural language even if the canonical form covers everything. I am not 100% sure what the “note:” in the question means, but if it means in practice that English is translated on receipt, that is a lot more prone to error and ambiguity under emergency conditions than pre-translating it into short summaries of key features in the transmitted artifact, in a few basic languages. Moreover, translation software can be standardized at the transmitting end that constructs the transmission artifact, but translation is harder to control at the receiving end; in the latter case, one can imagine the experiment of sending the same artifact to multiple sites with their own different translation software and finding that text content is translated in multiple different ways with differences in meaning even when it is translation into the same language, which would be worrying. It is pleasing that transmitting in several languages does not prohibit the receiving-end humans or software from doing their own translations, for those who wish to take that route, and in fact the two modes can provide a safety check on each other. Transmitting several natural language translations does have the disadvantage of possible conflicts between their interpretations, although translation only at the receiving end really has essentially the same problems but hides them. In summary, leaving translation only as the responsibility of the receiver seems to be to present a greater number of problems, whilst having the sender system translate does not prohibit receiver-end translation as an alternative or parallel approach 13 Language Translation: In and Out-of-Scope
Question: Should Language Translation be in or out of scope? (continued) David Tao - I think it should be tried starting with something small like Chief Complaint (see below). The question is confusing, because it asks if it should be in or out of scope, but the parentheses makes it sound like the answer is already known to be "no." In conjunction with limited languages, perhaps the idea of "co-presenting" for this one element would not be too difficult. The tool/source for any translation should be clearly identified (e.g., Google Translate, human translator, etc.). 14 Language Translation: In and Out-of-Scope
Question: If in scope, should we start with a sample set of 2 or 3 languages? For instance, we could pick one universal language (ex: English) and another language to demonstrate translation both ways? (Note: the intent was to suggest that we limit the scope to 1-2 languages). Barry Robson – This question effectively implies “make English the Universal English”, at least for our purposes. It isn’t 100% universal right now. I understand, of course, that what is meant is this: if we have to choose one natural language for the EU and US, then English is an excellent choice. However, as promised I am looking into Kodaxil as a formally rigorous universal second language. I am not its inventor and have no personal bias here, but the general idea of some kind of a universal second natural-like language with a crisp ontology and semantic form following Semantic Web ideas, and that a computer can process well into natural language, seems to me to be a good idea...if it works. That I will know soon. David Tao – Yes, starting with a small set would be a good idea, and it should be based on the languages that would provide the most benefit (a combination of which countries have the most travelers to/from US AND which countries are least likely to understand English) 15 Language Translation: In and Out-of-Scope
Data on Visitors Between Countries David Tao – Number of patients benefited. http://travel.yahoo.com/p- interests-29848550 indicates that thleading European non-English-speaking countries visited from the USA are France, Italy, Germany and Spain. So translation from French, Italian, German, and Spanish to English appear to be higher priorities. (Not sure whether UK-USA English needs "translation?") In the other direction, the non-English-speaking EU countries generating the most visits to the USA are Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Sweden, Netherlands, Switzerland (source: http://travel.trade.gov/view/m-2012-I- 001/index.html)http://travel.trade.gov/view/m-2012-I- 001/index.html David Tao – A modifying factor is whether the translation is necessary and helpful. If nearly everyone (or at least most healthcare providers) already understand English in a EU country, the priority for translation might be lower. For example, don't most Germans speak English? Of course, there are other considerations such as technical feasibility, availability of tools and resources, etc. I assume that something as ubiquitous as "Google Translate" is not precise enough to be solely used for translation. (Je suppose que quelque chose aussi omniprésent que «Google Translate» n'est pas assez précis pour être uniquement utilisé pour la traduction.) 16
Language Translation: In and Out-of-Scope 17 Language to: Language from: EnglishSpanishGermanFrenchItalianDutchSwedish English Spanish German French Italian Dutch Swedish
Areas of Translation: In and Out-of- Scope 18 Question: If in scope, should translation be limited to specific areas of clinical content? Are there other areas of clinical content that must be added to this list? chief complaint reason for visit hospital course (Note: should this be excluded since we have excluded inpatient care?) discharge summary patient instructions history of present illness Barry Robson - I think that all these examples can be covered by a canonical form as an ontology using attributes or fields, though the lower items on the list will take more work. We should always strive for that if we can. Then the superficial natural language of the attributes or fields is really irrelevant and “under the hood”, since receiving software will merely place the data items in the appropriate slots. To be clear here, recall that early computer languages like Algol often had their keywords like “if” or “for” translated into corresponding French words for French programmers. However, the complied code would execute the same, either way. We have, of course, a lot more key words to worry about in our case, but that’s what the standard code, ontology, and notation initiatives are all about, and why we preoccupy ourselves with HL7, VistA, SNOMED, ICD and so on. David Tao - I think chief complaint would be a good candidate, because it is generally just the starting point that capture in the patient's own words why they came in. Capturing the patient experience and perceptions in the patient's words is valuable in addition to the (later) medical conclusions (diagnoses, problem list, findings...). With all the "patient-centered" work going on in the US, this would be an opportunity to capture something that is not filtered through medical professionals (and medical vocabulary).
Geographic: In and Out-of-Scope 19 Item:In scopeOut of Scope Within CountryX EU country to EU country EU to USX Barry Robson - Ideally, to zero extent. The ancient Tower of Babel project was never a shining example! It does not mean that unification of healthcare IT philosophies is easy, though. Indeed, what about US to US? What exactly is the US usefully to send to or receive from Europe? That is still a bottleneck, even well after PCAST noted it. Compliance issues and interpretation of Federal regulations even differ between States of the US, and 90% of my present coding time is struggling with the problem of interconverting the Veteran’s Association MUMPS-VistA source code with HL7 etc. The EU-US eHealth project should be seen as an opportunity, also, of getting the US’s own healthcare IT house in order (I doubt that this notion has escaped US administrators!). And a European travelling in the US would then feel a little more comfortable too. Question: To what extent will the EU standards for EU to EU country exchanges be different from EU to US exchange?
Additional items: In and Out-of-scope 20 Item:In scopeOut of Scope Patient providing paper copy of medical informationX Requirements related to a person acting on behalf of a patientX Radiology imagesX Radiology textX ConsentX Break-the-glassX Question: Are the following additional items in scope or out of scope? Barry Robson - All should be in scope. Authority, responsibility, workflow, privacy and encryption disaggregation, fine- grained consent, and DICOM images are all achievable, but you have to look at them as an integrated whole, considering the methods of handling each one along with the others, because they all impact each other. Our team has proofs-of-concept and doubtless others have too. There are some specific issues on thinking how work effort on this might be broken up into chunks. Authority can be an attribute, but consent on a matter should ideally be a data issue, formally a dimension of any data value, along with time stamp, and e.g. confidence interval where appropriate. Then it is fine-grained. And while disaggregation by metadata, if you take that route, was a good PCAST idea, you obviously couldn’t disaggregate or shred a DICOM image by metadata, since internally it is unstructured data, but instead you could, for security, encrypt and shred arbitrarily. David Tao - Radiology Images might be a "low hanging fruit" in that the images themselves should be understandable without transcoding or translation. However, I wish to qualify that images by themselves would lack the "bottom line" of the radiologist's report, which should accompany them. So even though the image may not need transcoding or translation, the report would face at least the same and probably greater issues of transcoding/translation as clinical summaries, given the amount of textual content. such as "Findings," "Impression" and "Recommendations" (to name some examples from RSNA reporting templates).
Assumptions The ability to comply with legal and regulatory regimes of the EU and US The clinical content in the original languages will be transmitted without any translation Standards within the EU will be the same as standards between the EU and US Translation will be done by the sending system and may also be done by the receiving system 21
Actors & Roles 22 Type of Actor:Name of Actor:In scopeOut of Scope PersonPatient PersonProvider SystemEHR SystemPHR Phone Apps
Use Case Development Timeline 23 DateInputsDiscussionOutputs 11/13/13 Updated scope based on comments Comments that need further discussion Finalize Scope Discuss Assumptions, Actors, and Roles Assumptions, Actors, and Roles to be posted for comments Data exchange diagrams and tables and pre and post conditions to be posted for comments 11/20/13 Updated Assumptions, Actors, and Roles based on comments Updated data exchange diagrams/tables and pre and post conditions Comments that need further discussion Review and update Data exchange diagrams Data exchange tables Pre and Post Conditions Data exchange diagrams, data exchange tables, pre and post-conditions to be posted for comments 11/25/13 Updated data exchange diagrams, data exchange tables, pre and post-conditions based on comments Comments that need further discussion Draft data element tables Review and finalize Data exchange diagrams Data exchange tables Pre and Post Conditions Review and update draft data element tables Finalized Data exchange diagrams Data exchange tables Pre and Post Conditions Draft data element tables to be posted for comments 12/04/13 Updated data element tables based on comments Comments that need further discussion Review and finalize data element tablesFinalized data element tables 12/11/13 Draft use case with all sections completed End to end review of draft use case Updated use case based on end to end comments and ready for consensus posting 12/18/13 Consensus comments mapped into the use case Review consensus comments and finalize use case Approved use case
Next Steps 24 Prepare for out next meeting Continue submitting your bios Interoperability of EHR Work Group will continue to meet every Wednesday from 10:00am - 11:00am (ET)/4:00pm - 5:00 pm (CEST) – During the week of November 25 th we will meet on Monday, November 25th from 10:00am - 11:00am (ET)/3:00pm - 4:00pm (GMT)/4:00pm - 5:00pm (CET)/ 5:00pm - 6:00pm (EET).
Interoperability Support Leads 25 US Point of Contacts – Mera Choi: Mera.Choi@hhs.govMera.Choi@hhs.gov – Jamie Parker: firstname.lastname@example.org@esacinc.com – Gayathri Jayawardena, email@example.com@esacinc.com – Amanda Merrill, firstname.lastname@example.org@accenturefederal.com – Emily Mitchell, email@example.com@accenturefederal.com – Mark Roche, firstname.lastname@example.org@gmail.com – Virginia Riehl, email@example.com@verizon.net EU Point of Contacts – Benoit Abeloos, Benoit.ABELOOS@ec.europa.eu Benoit.ABELOOS@ec.europa.eu – Frank Cunningham, firstname.lastname@example.org@ec.europa.eu – Catherine Chronaki, email@example.com@gmail.com