My spirit is with you Jonathan Stahl Started: 9-Jun-2012 2012-July-28
Personal Disclaimer According to scripture, I must pursue the Creator in all things, and so I try. I am not perfect, but I pursue it. My intention, even if it hurts, good and sound studying of ALL scripture in context. I do not identify myself with a religion, but prefer to say: I am an apprentice of the Creator. I am sorry if any part of this presentation upsets you, or makes you uncomfortable, but I do hope that reading the very words of the Creator will guide us along the straight path of righteousness. Let us begin….
Purpose of this presentation My purpose is to demonstrate from scripture that the dogma “that the spirit of Hashem was only available to the masses after Pentecost, 31AD, is flawed. That in reality, the spirit was made available to anyone from the dawn of time with no exceptions…just like today. But, of course, I may not be able to show that according to scripture. Let’s find out …
From Wiki-pedia Judaism - Holy Spirit (Judaism) The term "holy spirit" only occurs three times in the Hebrew Bible. (Found once in Psalm 51:11 and twice in Isaiah 63:10,11) Although, the term "spirit" in the Hebrew Scriptures, in reference to "God's spirit", does occur more times. In Judaism, God is One, the idea of God as a duality or trinity among gentiles may be Shituf (or "not purely monotheistic"). The term Ruach HaKodesh (Holy Spirit) is found frequently in Talmudic and Midrashic literature. In some cases it signifies prophetic inspiration, while in others it is used as a hypostatization or a metonym for God. The Rabbinic “Holy Spirit,” has a certain degree of personification, but it remains, “a quality belonging to God, one of his attributes” and not, as in mainstream Christianity, representative of “any metaphysical divisions in the Godhead.”
From Wiki-pedia Judaism - Holy Spirit (Judaism) In Judaism, the references to The Spirit of God, Ruach HaKodesh, The Holy Spirit of YHWH, abound, however it has rejected any idea of The Eternal God as being either Dual or Triune. The term ruach ha-kodesh (Hebrew: רוח הקודש, "holy spirit" also transliterated ruah ha-qodesh) occurs once in Psalm 51:11 and also twice in the Book of Isaiah  Those are the only three times that the precise phrase "ruach hakodesh" is used in the Hebrew Scriptures, although the noun ruach ( רוח, literally "breath" or "wind") in various combinations, some referring to God's "spirit", is used often. The noun ruach, much like the English word breath, can mean either wind or some invisible moving force. However, Shekinah is derived from the Hebrew verb שכן. In Biblical Hebrew the word means literally to settle, inhabit, or dwell, which suggests the concept of a Holy Spirit, and is used frequently in the Hebrew Bible. (See Exodus 40:35, "Moses could not enter the Tent of Meeting, for the cloud rested [shakhan] upon it, and the glory of the Lord filled the Tabernacle." See also e.g. Genesis 9:27, 14:13, Psalms 37:3, Jeremiah 33:16), as well as the weekly Shabbat blessing recited in the Temple in Jerusalem ("May He who causes His name to dwell [shochan] in this House, cause to dwell among you love and brotherliness, peace and friendship").
From Wiki-pedia Islam - Holy Spirit (Islam) In Islam, the Holy Spirit (Arabic: الروح القدس al-Ruh al-Qudus, "the-Spirit the-Holy") is mentioned several times in the Qur'an, where it acts as an agent of divine action or communication. In Hadith it is commonly identified with the angel Gabriel (Arabic Jibreel). The Spirit ( الروح al-Ruh, without the adjective "holy") is also used as the creative spirit from God by which God enlivened Adam, and inspired the angels and the prophets. The belief in Trinity, as it is defined in the Qur'an, is explicitly forbidden by the Qur'an and called a grave sin. The same applies to any idea of the duality of God (Allah). Though grammatical gender has no bearing on actual gender in non-personal nouns, the term holy spirit translates in and is used in the masculine form in all the Qur'an. In Arabic language the word "Holy Spirit" does not translate as سكينة Sakinah used in a feminine term. The term sakinah means state of relaxation. Bahá'í Faith - Maid of Heaven The Bahá'í Faith has the concept of the Most Great Spirit, seen as the bounty of God. It is usually used to describe the descent of the Spirit of God upon the messengers/prophets of God, which are known as Manifestations of God, and include among others Jesus, Muhammad and Bahá'u'lláh. In Bahá'í believe the Holy Spirit is the conduit through which the wisdom of God becomes directly associated with his messenger, and it has been described variously in different religions such as the burning bush to Moses, the sacred fire to Zoroaster, the dove to Jesus, the angel Gabriel to Muhammad, and the maid of heaven to Bahá'u'lláh. The Bahá'í view rejects the idea that the Holy Spirit is a partner to God in the Godhead, but rather is the pure essence of God's attributes.
They profess… Many believe in the modern-day statement / dogma that in the New Testament that the “holy spirit” came on Pentecost AFTER the resurrection And ONLY from that point forward, “it” has been available to anyone by simply repenting (which is misunderstood), stating a “name” (which is not even the name) and then getting wet (some by sprinkles and some by dunking) Let’s see if that premise holds water….
Can we agree that … The Creator has ALWAYS been somewhere? And that HIS spirit has ALWAYS been with Him? And, that from the beginning of time, His plan has ALWAYS been the same: Meaning: either you are part of Israel (12 tribes) [His people] or you can join them or be adopted into the nation upon accepting YHWH?
Can you live forever without the spirit? Did Adam and Eve have the spirit? Most likely … But of course a good question to ask yourself is this:
What is the “spirit” ? Is it SOMEONE? Is it something? Is it a mentor? Is it an action? Is it a decision? Is it a submission to? Is it an objective? Is it the goal? Is it worthwhile? Is it all of these and more???
He HAS the spirit of … HATE! Did that spirit come upon / into him? OR did he simply do “HATE” Proverbs 1 talks about hanging around the wrong crowd… So we know that there is a SPIRIT of HATE / envy / jealousy / etc. can influence us by BAD company (external force) So is there something actually LIVING in you? And, we know that there is a SPIRIT of understanding, wisdom, and of life coming from a human father that follows the Creator to his son (Proverbs 4)
So, was the spirit of the Almighty Available to mankind in the old testament? No, not really. Just a few select people had access to the spirit Just the high priest, couple of kings… Oh, sure, the prophets probably had it But, no. The little man on the street just did not have access to the almighty. The little guy on the street, he is just wandering around life like a little zombie … just tossed to the dust by a cruel and vengeful “Creator”
Original Testament – spirit recipients Ge 1– Surely Adam and Eve had the spirit of God Abel, Seth, Noah, Shem What about Cain? Did he have it and then lose it? Abraham Ge 41:38- “Can we find a man like this, in whom is the Spirit of God?” = Joseph Ex 28:3 - …speak to all the skillful, whom I have filled with a spirit of skill Ex 35:31-36:2 – Bezalel and Oholiab and EVERY craftsman he has filled him with the Spirit of God… Nu 11:25 - Then the Lord came down in a cloud and spoke to him; He drew upon the spirit that was on him and put it upon the seventy elders. And when the spirit rested upon them, they spoke in ecstasy, but did not continue. Nu 24:2 - As Balaam looked up and saw Israel encamped tribe by tribe, the spirit of God came upon him.
Original Testament – spirit recipients Nu 27:18 - Take Joshua the son of Nun, a man in whom is the Spirit, and lay your hand on him Judges 3:9-10 - Othniel the son of Kenaz, Caleb’s younger brother. 10 The Spirit of the Lord was upon him… Judges 6:34 - But the Spirit of the Lord clothed Gideon Judges 11:29 - the Spirit of the Lord was upon Jephthah Judges 13:25 - And the Spirit of the Lord began to stir Samson Judges 14:6 - the Spirit of the Lord rushed upon him [Samson], and although he had nothing in his hand, he tore the lion in pieces as one tears a young goat Nu 11:26 - Eldad, and Medad, and the Spirit rested on them
Saul 1 Sa 10:69 - Then the Spirit of the Lord will rush upon you [Saul], and you will prophesy with them and be turned into another man. 7 Now when these signs meet you, do what your hand finds to do, for God is with you. 8 - Then go down before me to Gilgal. And behold, I am coming down to you to offer burnt offerings and to sacrifice peace offerings [Samuel]. Seven days you shall wait, until I come to you and show you what you shall do.” 9 When he turned his back to leave Samuel, God gave him another heart. !!!!!!!!!! Can we ASSUME that Samuel also had the SPIRIT of the Almighty!!! 1 Sa 10:26 - and with him went men of valor whose hearts God had touched (that’s close enough for me)
Saul and the oxen 1 Sa 11:6-7 - And the Spirit of God rushed upon Saul when he heard these words, and his anger was greatly kindled. 7 He took a yoke of oxen and cut them in pieces… and sent them throughout all the territory of Israel by the hand of the messengers, saying, “Whoever does not come out after Saul and Samuel, so shall it be done to his oxen!” Then the dread of the Lord fell upon the people, and they came out as one man.
David 1 Sa 16:13 - Spirit of the Lord rushed upon David from that day forward. Rushed – Strong#6743
What YHWH gives … He can take right back! 1 Sa 16:14 - Now the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul, and a harmful spirit from the Lord tormented him
Spirit is like the wind: comes and goes With Saul “it” came and went and came and went multiple times. But seemed to stick with David Solomon asked for it and got a truckload’s worth, but then apparently lost the keys later in life
Messengers + Messengers + Messengers 1 Sa 19:20 - Then Saul sent messengers to take David, and when they saw the company of the prophets prophesying, and Samuel standing as head over them, the Spirit of God came upon the messengers of Saul, and they also prophesied 1 Sa 19:21 - When it was told Saul, he sent other messengers, and they also prophesied. And Saul sent messengers again the third time, and they also prophesied.
Saul gets it back ? 1 Sa 19:23 - And the Spirit of God came upon him also, and as he went he prophesied
Elijah and Elisha Can we safely declare that Elijah had the spirit? YES 2 Ki 2:24 - And Elisha turned around, and when he saw them [naughty, disrespectful hoard of boys], he cursed them in the name of the Lord. And two she-bears came out of the woods and tore forty-two of the boys. I believe with all my HEART, that a man who can call out 2 she-bears to tear up 42 disrespectful BOYS has the spirit of YHWH
Original Testament – spirit recipients 1 Chron 12:18 - Then the Spirit clothed Amasa 1 Chron 15:1 - The Spirit of God came upon Azariah 2 Ch 17:34 - The Lord was with Jehoshaphat, because he walked in the earlier ways of his father David. He did not seek the Baals, 4 but sought the God of his father and walked in his commandments, and not according to the practices of Israel. 2 Ch 18:18 - And Micaiah (prophet) said, “Therefore hear the word of the Lord… 2 Ch 20:14 - And the Spirit of the Lord came upon Jahaziel 2 Ch 20:37 - Eliezer the son of Dodavahu of Mareshah prophesied 2 Chron 24:15-16 - Jehoiada grew old and full of days, and died. He was 130 years old at his death. 16 And they buried him in the city of David among the kings, because he had done good in Israel, and toward God and his house.
Original Testament – spirit recipients 2 Ch 24:20 - Spirit of God clothed Zechariah the son of Jehoiada the priest 2 Ch 36:22 - Lord stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia…
You think 3,000 in one day is huge, think again! Ne 9:20 - You gave your good Spirit to instruct them and did not withhold your manna from their mouth and gave them water for their thirst. … 2-3 million!!!
All the prophets – Minor and Major … Ne 9:2930 - You bore with them for many years, admonished them by Your spirit through Your prophets, Jer 1:9 - Then the Lord put out his hand and touched my mouth. And the Lord said to me, “Behold, I have put my words in your mouth
Job Job 27:3 - as long as my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils [Job]… Job 32:8 - But it is the spirit in man, the breath of the Almighty, that makes him understand.
Past, Present and Future Is 44:3 - I will pour my Spirit upon your offspring, and my blessing on your descendants. Is 42:5–6 - and spirit to those who walk in it: 6 “I am the LORD; I have called you in righteousness; I will take you by the hand and keep you; I will give you as a covenant for the people, a light for the nations, Is 48:16 - And now the Lord God has sent me, and his Spirit. [Isaiah]
Anyone … with conditions! Is 57:15 - For thus says the One who is high and lifted up, who inhabits eternity, whose name is Holy: “I dwell in the high and holy place, and also with him who is of a contrite and lowly spirit, to revive the spirit of the lowly, and to revive the heart of the contrite.
Original Testament – spirit recipients Is 61:1 - The spirit of the Lord God is upon me, Because the Lord has anointed me [Isaiah]; Ezek 2:2 - And as he spoke to me [Ezekiel], the Spirit entered into me and set me on my feet, and I heard him speaking to me.
Eze 18:31–32 - Cast away from you all the transgressions that you have committed, and make yourselves a new heart and a new spirit! Why will you die, O house of Israel? 32 For I have no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Lord GOD; so turn, and live.” Mic 3:8 - I [Micah] am filled with strength by the spirit of the LORD…. Hag 1:14 - Then the LORD roused the spirit of Zerubbabel son of Shealtiel, the governor of Judah, and the spirit of the high priest Joshua son of Jehozadak, and the spirit of all the rest of the people: They came and set to work on the House of the LORD of Hosts, their God
And …. Don’t forget about Ruth and Esther! Isaac? Jacob? Sarah? Rebecca? Noah Shem
Forever there Haggai 2:4–5 - for I am with you, declares the LORD of hosts, 5 according to the covenant that I made with you when you came out of Egypt. My Spirit remains in your midst. Fear not.
More than hearts of STONE Zec 7:12 - They made their hearts diamond-hard lest they should hear the law and the words that the LORD of hosts had sent by his Spirit through the former prophets. Therefore great anger came from the LORD of hosts.
In marriage, there is the spirit Mal 2:15 - Did he not make them one, with a portion of the Spirit in their union? And what was the one God seeking? Godly offspring. So guard yourselves in your spirit, and let none of you be faithless to the wife of your youth.
Spirit is more than just “a” spirit Is 11:2-3 - The spirit of the Lord shall alight upon him: A spirit of wisdom and insight, A spirit of counsel and valor, A spirit of devotion and reverence for Adonai. 3 He shall sense the truth by his reverence for Adonai
Opposite of His spirit… Is 30:1 - Ah, stubborn children,” declares the Lord, “who carry out a plan, but not mine, and who make an alliance, but not of my Spirit, that they may add sin to sin;
King Asa (1 of 3) 2 Ch 15:2-15 - The Lord is with you while you are with him. If you seek him, he will be found by you, but if you forsake him, he will forsake you. 3 For a long time Israel was without the true God, and without a teaching priest and without law, 4 but when in their distress they turned to the Lord, the God of Israel, and sought him, he was found by them. 5 In those times there was no peace to him who went out or to him who came in, for great disturbances afflicted all the inhabitants of the lands. 6 They were broken in pieces. Nation was crushed by nation and city by city, for God troubled them with every sort of distress. 7 But you, take courage! Do not let your hands be weak, for your work shall be rewarded.”
King Asa (2 of 3) 8 - As soon as Asa heard these words, the prophecy of Azariah the son of Oded, he took courage and put away the detestable idols from all the land of Judah and Benjamin and from the cities that he had taken in the hill country of Ephraim, and he repaired the altar of the Lord that was in front of the vestibule of the house of the Lord. 9 And he gathered all Judah and Benjamin, and those from Ephraim, Manasseh, and Simeon who were residing with them, for great numbers came to him from Israel when they saw that the Lord his God was with him.
King Asa (3 of 3) 10 - They were gathered at Jerusalem in the third month of the fifteenth year of the reign of Asa. 11 They sacrificed to the Lord on that day from the spoil that they had brought 700 oxen and 7,000 sheep. 12 And they entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and with all their soul, 13 but that whoever would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, should be put to death, whether young or old, man or woman. 14 They swore an oath to the Lord with a loud voice and with shouting and with trumpets and with horns. 15 And all Judah rejoiced over the oath, for they had sworn with all their heart and had sought him with their whole desire, and he was found by them, and the Lord gave them rest all around.
NT - These folks “certainly” had spirit Matthew, Mark, Luke, John … how do you know? Paul? Peter? Apostles? 120 disciples? 3,000 in Jordan? And a couple of others named… That’s it.
Can people with the spirit make mistakes? Adam and eve did Abraham did Moses did Aaron did Samson did David did Solomon did Jonah did Peter did Paul did I do … You do … Everyone do (does)!
So what was the difference ??? Here they are side by side ….
Some say the spirit is made MORE available today because of Messiah Perhaps true! Because the word is getting out ??? But does not mean that it was not available to the general public from the dawn of time! General Public meaning: if you were going to follow TORAH you certainly had access to His spirit Before Messiah, who had access to the CREATOR? ANYONE (Israelites & non- Israelites) AFTER Messiah, who has access to the CREATOR? ANYONE (Israelites & non- Israelites)
God is the SAME, yesterday, today and tomorrow He created MAN He has been “walking” with MAN since the beginning He still walks with man today, thus ….. From the beginning the spirit has been available to ANY ONE who wanted to be walking with God
Not any different than present day Baptism is not new? There were baptismal tanks AROUND THE TEMPLE BEFORE messiah If the argument is that spirit comes only through baptism in a tank of water, then … We have some who have spirit with NO indication of water baptism…(Abraham, 12 disciples on Pentecost) (thus that does not hold water) We have some who have spirit with indication of water baptism…(Messiah, group of people in Jordan, 1 million+ through RED SEA (so that does hold water) If the argument is just saying the name of JESUS, then NO ONE in the Original Testament could have it And since jesus isn’t the real name by a long shot, then we should be able to call on just about anyone and get the spirit, right?
Who can know who has the spirit? Even today, we can’t know WHO ACTUALLY … In theory, you can know by their fruits …. I know some pretty scarry people who I hope do not have the spirit But no one has ALL the fruits of the spirit… We all fall short … some become red-faced bad-temper monsters (that is certainly not a good fruit, but it does NOT mean they DON’T have the spirit) Peter was a rough and tough guy…did he have spirit? Thus, we CAN’T say that SOME ONE did NOT have the spirit long ago just as we can’t say to this VERY DAY if someone has the spirit.
Access to the spirit … Just because we might have a great access to the spirit than someone else does not imply nor result in more people having the spirit. Again, would it make sense for our great Elohim to give His spirit in a flippant manner to just anyone … or Does it make more sense that he would give it to those who would make good use of it Parable of the talents ???????
Our race is long-distance I ran long distance, ½ mile, 1 mile, 2 mile… why? Why? Because I couldn’t sprint fast enough I was a wrestler…. In long-distance running there are “hurdles” mental hurdles that you get to think about during the race and can literally make many runners slow to a literal walk or simply quit and walk off the track. I was able to leap over the hurdles and I won nearly every race that I ever ran…
Our battle is spiritual… Our battle is spiritual … we will have our own CARNALITY (that says “my way is best – not God’s”) and then you have evil spirits (from Ha-Satan or his minions) tossing hurdles or obstacles in your path along the race.
From Wiki-pedia Christianity - Holy Spirit (Christianity) For the majority of Christians, the Holy Spirit (prior English language usage: the Holy Ghost from Old English gast, “spirit”) is the third person of the Holy Trinity—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and is Almighty God. The Holy Spirit is seen by mainstream Christians as one Person of the Triune God, who revealed His Holy Name YHWH to his people Israel, sent His Eternally Begotten Son Jesus to save them from God's wrath, and sent the Holy Spirit to sanctify and give life to his Church. The Triune God manifests as three Persons (Greek hypostases), in One Divine Being (Greek: Ousia), called the Godhead, the Divine Essence of God.
Our Focus: Shotgun vs Rifle “We admire this kind of devotion in every area of life except the spiritual realm. When Olympic athletes begin to discipline their bodies and hone their skills, we heap praise upon them. When someone shows total dedication in the areas of medicine, science, music or drama, we approve and applaud. We applaud, for example, the violinist who explained her success in this way: ‘I deliberately planned to neglect everything else until my practice period was completed. That program of planned neglect accounts for my success.’ But when we hear of someone doing this in the area of Christian living [or those who literally study the scriptures], we are inclined to dismiss him as something of a fanatic, who, as someone has observed, will not change his mind and will not change the subject. Why do those who are focused on knowing God bother us? Is it not because they remind us that our own priorities are not what they ought to be? Most people are living such cluttered, distracted and fragmented lives. Our lives are not integrated around a single, unifying purpose [Daniel prayed 3 times a day – today many laugh at this approach exclaiming: “Too pious for me!”]. We often embrace the ‘shotgun’ approach to life, trying to find happiness and satisfaction by scattering our time and energies over a wide range of interests and activities. We want to try a little bit of everything, and we do not want to miss out on anything.” Paul suggests we use the ‘RIFLE’ approach by finding the singular priority that makes life worth living… ( Book A Ellsworth, Roger D 2004 T Opening up Philippians C Leominster I Day One Publications P6,667)
A premise that warrants re-thinking MANY in the Christian religion, believe the premise that the HS was only made available to special people of the OT: Abraham, David, Solomon, the Prophets, etc. But, unfortunately, the common man was on his own ??? Was the nation of Israel, the children of God, just “common man” or a HOLY NATION But then AFTER Messiah’s death and resurrection, on Pentecost, it came down as fire to the people in a house and made available to all mankind … So is / was the spirit ONLY for special people WAY BACK THEN and not for the very children of God… but now available to all??? Can a murderer have the holy spirit of the Creator ?!
A premise that warrants re-thinking On Pentecost, notice what scripture says about that day: that this ALSO was on “special people”)
Spirit of God was fully functional from the beginning Ge 1:1When God began to create heaven and earth 2 the earth being unformed and void, with darkness over the surface of the deep and a wind (spirit) from God sweeping / vibrating over the water
Did the most POWERFUL force in the universe leave His very children all alone? My soul will not reject you (Lev. 26:11) How can i give you up? (Hos. 11:8) God will not reject a blameless man (Job 8:20) I will not reject them (Lev. 26:44) The lord will not reject for ever (Lam. 3:31) You will no longer be called ‘forsaken’ (Isa. 62:4) A city not forsaken (Isa. 62:12) The lord will not forsake his inheritance (Ps. 94:14) I will not leave any of them there any more (Ezek. 39:28) You will not abandon me to sheol (ps. 16:10) the lord will not leave him in the hand of the wicked (Ps. 37:33) I am old yet have i not seen the righteous forsaken (Ps. 37:25) The lord does not forsake his godly ones (Ps. 37:28) The lord will not abandon his people (1 Sam. 12:22 Ps. 94:14) God will not forsake you (Deut. 4:31) God will never leave you or forsake you (Deut. 31:6 Deut. 31:8 Josh. 1:5 1 Chr. 28:20) I will never leave you or forsake you (Heb. 13:5) I will not leave you (Gen. 28:15) I will not forsake my people (1 Kgs. 6:13) I will not forsake them (Isa. 41:17) I will not leave you as orphans (John 14:18) Only then would i cast off all the seed of israel (Jer. 31:37) God has not forsaken us (Ezra 9:9) Israel and judah have not been forsaken by god (Jer. 51:5) God has not rejected his people (Rom. 11:1) You did not forsake them (Neh. 9:17 Neh. 9:19 Neh. 9:31) You have not forsaken those who seek you (Ps. 9:10) We are persecuted but not forsaken (2 Cor. 4:9) They will be as though i had not rejected them (Zech. 10:6) God has not rejected his people whom he foreknew (Rom. 11:2).
What scripture says that ALL people will have the spirit after that “special” day of Pentecost? None ? …………..To do: Find NT scriptures about it saying “leave a helper with you”
After Mt Sinai Nu 11:25-29 - Then the Lord came down in the cloud and spoke to him, and took some of the Spirit that was on him and put it on the seventy elders. And as soon as the Spirit rested on them, they prophesied. But they did not continue doing it. 26 Now two men remained in the camp, one named Eldad, and the other named Medad, and the Spirit rested on them. [so the spirit of God found them as well amongst a million+ people] They were among those registered, but they had not gone out to the tent, and so they prophesied in the camp. 27 And a young man ran and told Moses, “Eldad and Medad are prophesying in the camp.” 28 And Joshua the son of Nun, the assistant of Moses from his youth, said, “My lord Moses, stop them.” 29 But Moses said to him, “Are you jealous for my sake? Would that all the Lord’s people were prophets, that the Lord would put his Spirit on [all of] them!” So the spirit was put on at least 70 + 2 … but not EVERY single person Just like TODAY !! The spirit may rest upon some but not all. YHWH is the same 5000 years ago as He is today … He will place His spirit on those He puts it on … those who desire to live HIS WAY of life.
Book of Haggai Hag 2:4–5 - For I am with you—says the LORD of Hosts. 5 So I promised you when you came out of Egypt, and My spirit is still in your midst. Fear not!
Isaiah Also Isaiah 63:11: Then he remembered the days of old, Moses and his people, saying: “Where is He who brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of His flock? Where is He who put His Holy Spirit within them,
Psalms (but David doesn’t count) Psalms 51:11: Do not cast me away from Your presence, and do not take Your Holy Spirit from me
God’s spirit is in all man? Genesis 6:3 - Then the LORD said, “My Spirit shall not abide in man forever, for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years.” So the spirit provides long life ???
So, was the spirit of the Almighty available to mankind in the old testament? No, not really. Yes, really it was Just a few select people had access to the spirit Far more are mentioned having the spirit than in the “NEW” testament Just the high priest, couple of kings…Far more had access and received it Oh, sure, the prophets probably had it Of course they did! But, no. The little man on the street just did not have access to the almighty. Anyone and his neighbor had access to the Creator. All they had to do was follow his ways…just like TODAY The little guy on the street, he is just wandering around life like a little zombie … just tossed to the dust by a cruel and vengeful “Creator” – No, we all have a CHOICE to listen to the Creator or not
They mighty argue: But they don’t know “J-word” So, if the people of the OT didn’t know “J” then they can’t have the spirit… So people today who don’t know the name of “J” can’t have the spirit
Today: you must say the name have some portion of water place upon you Repent … maybe or maybe not And BAM! You have the spirit? CAUTION: Mt 25:10-12 - And while they were going to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the marriage feast, and the door was shut. 11 Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, ‘Lord, lord, open to us.’ 12 But he answered, ‘Truly, I say to you, I do not know you.’ How can he NOT know you enough to let you in? CLEARLY, if you are NOT ACTIVELY WALKING in HIS WAYS, then you are NOT going to walk through that door.
Strongs # for spirit #7307. רוּחַ ruach (924c) from an unused word breath, wind, spirit:—air(2), anger(1), blast(2), breath(31), breathless*(1), cool(1), courage(1), despondency*(1), exposed(1), grief*(1), heart(1), inspired(1), mind(3), motives(1), points(1), quick- tempered*(1), side(4), sides(2), Spirit(76), spirit(127), spirits(3), strength(1), temper(2), thoughts*(1), trustworthy*(1), wind(98), winds(7), windy(2), wrath(1). Book A Thomas, Robert L. 1998 New American Standard Hebrew-Aramaic and Greek dictionaries : updated edition C Anaheim I Foundation Publications, Inc.
Pharaoh Knew it too! Ge 41:38 - And Pharaoh said to his courtiers, “Could we find another like him, a man in whom is the spirit [#7307] of God?”
Luke 4:1 (ESV) - 4 And Jesus [in Greek: Joshua], full of the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan and was led by the spirit in the wilderness for 40 days…. Was he actually playing “follow the leader” or was he demonstrating and teaching TORAH – the right way to live?
Greek Spirit describes the essence of God. Spirit in Greek is for wind (pneuma) something we cannot see and, like the wind, is a powerful force. Pneuma can also be translated as "breath" Revelation 11:11 - And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. As breath is essential to physical life, so is God's Spirit to spiritual life. Genesis reference….120 years old only
But “Christianity” denies this… If simple information is being ignored, then what else is being ignored We cannot create new theologies (idols) by ignoring the very WORDS of the ALMIGHTY
Acts 2 Acts 1: 23 - And they put forward two, Joseph called Barsabbas, who was also called Justus, and Matthias. 24 And they prayed and said, “You, Lord, who know the hearts of all, show which one of these two you have chosen 25 to take the place in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas turned aside to go to his own place.” 26 And they cast lots for them, and the lot fell on Matthias, and he was numbered with the eleven apostles. 2:1 When the day of Pentecost arrived, they were all together in one place. 2 And suddenly there came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind, and it filled the entire house where they were sitting. 3 And divided tongues as of fire appeared to them and rested on each one of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance. \
Acts 2 5 Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men from every nation under heaven. 6 And at this sound the multitude came together, and they were bewildered, because each one was hearing them speak in his own language. 7 And they were amazed and astonished, saying, “Are not all these who are speaking Galileans? 8 And how is it that we hear, each of us in his own native language? 9 Parthians and Medes and Elamites and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya belonging to Cyrene, and visitors from Rome, 11 both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabians—we hear them telling in our own tongues the mighty works of God.” 12 And all were amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, “What does this mean?” 13 But others mocking said, “They are filled with new wine.” 14 But Peter, standing with the eleven, lifted up his voice and addressed them: “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and give ear to my words. 15 For these people are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day. 16 But this is what was uttered through the prophet Joel: 17 “ ‘And in the last days it shall be, God declares, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams; 18 even on my male servants and female servants in those days I will pour out my Spirit, and they shall prophesy. 19 And I will show wonders in the heavens above and signs on the earth below, blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke; 20 the sun shall be turned to darkness and the moon to blood, before the day of the Lord comes, the great and magnificent day.
Acts 2 20 the sun shall be turned to darkness and the moon to blood, before the day of the Lord comes, the great and magnificent day. 21 And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.’ 22 “Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with mighty works and wonders and signs that God did through him in your midst, as you yourselves know— 23 this Jesus, delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of lawless men. 24 God raised him up, loosing the pangs of death, because it was not possible for him to be held by it. 25 For David says concerning him, “ ‘I saw the Lord always before me, for he is at my right hand that I may not be shaken; 26 therefore my heart was glad, and my tongue rejoiced; my flesh also will dwell in hope. 27 For you will not abandon my soul to Hades, or let your Holy One see corruption. 28 You have made known to me the paths of life; you will make me full of gladness with your presence.’ 29 “Brothers, I may say to you with confidence about the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. 30 Being therefore a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that he would set one of his descendants on his throne, 31 he foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption. 32 This Jesus, God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses. 33 Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing. 34 For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he himself says, “ ‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at my right hand, 35 until I make your enemies your footstool.”
Acts 2 36 Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.” 37 Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” 38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.” 40 And with many other words he bore witness and continued to exhort them, saying, “Save yourselves from this crooked generation.” 41 So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls. DID THEY ACTUALLY RECEIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT YET? We ALWAYS have said they did. But did they repent? Did they have time? There is NO indication that they received the holy spirit!!!
Acts 2 42 And they devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and the prayers. 43 And awe came upon every soul, and many wonders and signs were being done through the apostles. 44 And all who believed were together and had all things in common. 45 And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need. 46 And day by day, attending the temple together and breaking bread in their homes, they received their food with glad and generous hearts, 47 praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to their number day by day those who were being saved. English Standard Version - C Wheaton - Ac 1:23 - 2:47
Was there a “GENTILE” that had the HS placed upon him/her??? Prostitute -- ??? Not sure ??? Abraham ???
Ezek 36:22-36 22 Say to the House of Israel: Thus said the Lord God: Not for your sake will I act, O House of Israel, but for My holy name, which you have caused to be profaned among the nations to which you have come. 23 I will sanctify My great name which has been profaned among the nations—among whom you have caused it to be profaned. And the nations shall know that I am the Lord—declares the Lord God—when I manifest My holiness before their eyes through you. 24 I will take you from among the nations and gather you from all the countries, and I will bring you back to your own land. 25 I will sprinkle clean water upon you, and you shall be clean: I will cleanse you from all your uncleanness and from all your fetishes. 26 And I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit into you: I will remove the heart of stone [and hard as diamonds] from your body and give you a heart of flesh; 27 and I will put My spirit into you. Thus I will cause you to follow My laws and faithfully to observe My rules. 28 Then you shall dwell in the land which I gave to your fathers, and you shall be My people and I will be your God. 29 And when I have delivered you from all your uncleanness, I will summon the grain and make it abundant, and I will not bring famine upon you. 30 I will make the fruit of your trees and the crops of your fields abundant, so that you shall never again be humiliated before the nations because of famine. 31 Then you shall recall your evil ways and your base conduct, and you shall loathe yourselves for your iniquities and your abhorrent practices. 32 Not for your sake will I act—declares the Lord God—take good note! Be ashamed and humiliated because of your ways, O House of Israel! 33 Thus said the Lord God: When I have cleansed you of all your iniquities, I will people your settlements, and the ruined places shall be rebuilt; 34and the desolate land, after lying waste in the sight of every passerby, shall again be tilled. 35And men shall say, “That land, once desolate, has become like the garden of Eden; and the cities, once ruined, desolate, and ravaged, are now populated and fortified.” 36 And the nations that are left around you shall know that I the Lord have rebuilt the ravaged places and replanted the desolate land. I the Lord have spoken and will act. Version: Tanakh
So, has ANY of this happened yet? If not, then does anyone HAVE the spirit in them ? The heart of STONE will be changed to FLESH We don’t have a spiritual heart … no one does You either have a heart of stone or flesh: which is it? That’s my point … Hardly any of that passage has come to pass YET. But, has what is the state of our HEART! We either WANT and DESIRE to follow our Creator or we don’t There does not appear to be a STATE of TIME in which our Creator has and has not been wanting to be with creation. He has ALWAYS been there for us. He has always been waiting for us.
From the beginning to the end of time Is 59:21 - “And as for me, this is my covenant with them,” says the Lord: “My Spirit that is upon you, and my words that I have put in your mouth, shall not depart out of your mouth, or out of the mouth of your offspring, or out of the mouth of your children’s offspring,” says the Lord, “from this time forth and forevermore.”
So, from Genesis 1: Was the spirit available to essentially anyone …. Just like 2,000 years ago … just like today? There is an extremely high statistical probability that the answer is…
For those who want to ignore the first part of scripture, then the answer is no no.
However, for those who believe the entire is Bible is to read and studied, then the answer is… Yes.
The “spirit” comes upon those who WANT IT !!!! Ex 36:2 - And Moses called Bezalel and Oholiab and every craftsman in whose mind the Lord had put skill, everyone whose heart stirred him up to come to do the work. Can a GENTILE “get” the spirit … if he wants it [by joining the right team]? Yes. But of course, he would NOT be a GENTILE if he wanted to follow YHWH … now would he? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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