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1 Cloud Family Association – July 19, 2014 – Natchitoches, LA – Tom Cloud 1 Cloud DNA Project 2014 Cloud Family Gathering Natchitoches, LA July 19

2 Cloud Family Association – July 19, 2014 – Natchitoches, LA – Tom Cloud 2 Take a DNA test Review matches Contact matches Examine information received Do traditional research Be patient (new people testing every day) Remember this when you get confused. The Basics

3 Cloud Family Association – July 19, 2014 – Natchitoches, LA – Tom Cloud 3 Test:Typenumber Family FinderatDNA15 Geno 2.0Y-SNP, mtDNA, atDNA2 FGSmtDNA6 HVR1mtDNA12 HVR2mtDNA9 Big YY-SNP Deep CladeY-SNP3 Y-DNA 12Y-STR66 Y-DNA 25Y-STR59 Y-DNA 37Y-STR55 Y-DNA 67Y-STR19 Y-DNA 111Y-STR6 76 people in the Project (July 1, 2014)

4 Cloud Family Association – July 19, 2014 – Natchitoches, LA – Tom Cloud 4 The Cloud DNA Project is a “Surname” Project Surname typically passed from father-to-son – patrilineal Only men have Y-DNA and they pass it to their sons – like the surname Y-DNA is uniquely suited to identify a paternal line The Y-DNA signature of a man is (virtually) identical to that of his paternal ancestors and to all their male descendants, his surname-line cousins A Surname Project

5 Cloud Family Association – July 19, 2014 – Natchitoches, LA – Tom Cloud 5 Why use Y-DNA when it excludes most ancestors? It is targeted and precise The best test for recent and deep ancestry It produces the most useful results It can be used with Y-DNA tests from other lines How do I research my other lines? Get your male cousins to do Y-DNA tests Do an autosomal test and work with the cousin matches Why use Y-DNA ?

6 Cloud Family Association – July 19, 2014 – Natchitoches, LA – Tom Cloud 6 Test:Typenumber Family FinderatDNA15 Geno 2.0Y-SNP, mtDNA, atDNA2 FGSmtDNA6 HVR1mtDNA12 HVR2mtDNA9 Big YY-SNP Deep CladeY-SNP3 Y-DNA 12Y-STR66 Y-DNA 25Y-STR59 Y-DNA 37Y-STR55 Y-DNA 67Y-STR19 Y-DNA 111Y-STR6 Y-DNA tests In our Project Y-SNP – a rare change in the DNA, defines large people groups Y-STR – a not-so-rare change in the DNA used to differentiate between family lines

7 Cloud Family Association – July 19, 2014 – Natchitoches, LA – Tom Cloud 7 Y-SNP determines “haplogroup” They are large branches of the human family Often separated by thousands of years. Haplogroup

8 Cloud Family Association – July 19, 2014 – Natchitoches, LA – Tom Cloud 8 SNP Human Y-DNA Phylogenetic Tree Haplogroups

9 Cloud Family Association – July 19, 2014 – Natchitoches, LA – Tom Cloud 9 There are five (5) distinct haplogroups (family branches or “subclades”) in our project. Four shown here – the ‘R’ branch of our Project splits into two branches further down. Human Y-DNA Phylogenetic Tree

10 Cloud Family Association – July 19, 2014 – Natchitoches, LA – Tom Cloud 10 Y-HaplogroupConfirmedPredicted I-M22321 J-M921 Q-M31 R-P252 R-M R-P311 1 R-U R-L48316 R-L472 R-Z1601 R-P31211 Y Haplogroups in Project I – 4 people J – 1 person N – 1 person Q – 1 person R – 59 people 66 men with Y results 9 are not descended from CLOUD lines

11 Cloud Family Association – July 19, 2014 – Natchitoches, LA – Tom Cloud 11 KitHaploEarliest knownNo.* CountryMatches 98357I-M223Ruben Cloud (1799 TN)1USAKING, ASCHER I-M223Edward Cloud (1830 VA)1USA0 (12 markers) J-M92Isom Cloud (1779 NC)1USA0 N48995Q-M3Joe Cloud (1866 TX)1USASCHANTZ R-M269Wm Cloud (1780 SC)4USACLOUD, STREETER R-L48, R-L47, Z160 Wm Cloud (1621 Eng)55England BURNS, CLOUD, CRUNK, RATTRAY, RHINEHART, ROGOV, STANTON, etc. Kit – kit number with Family Tree DNA Haplo – haplogroup (some proven with SNP, some estimated by STR) Earliest known – earliest known ancestor No. – number of people in the haplogroup * Country – earliest known -- not all verified Matches – matches in FTDNA database Surname Matches

12 Cloud Family Association – July 19, 2014 – Natchitoches, LA – Tom Cloud 12 these are best guesses based on the research of archaelogists & anthropologists who seek out and test indigenous populations around the world These cannot represent extinct people groups or groups that haven’t been tested Ancient Migration Routes

13 Cloud Family Association – July 19, 2014 – Natchitoches, LA – Tom Cloud 13 Haplogroup I believed to have migrated out of Africa into Scandinavia.

14 Cloud Family Association – July 19, 2014 – Natchitoches, LA – Tom Cloud 14 Haplogroup J believed to have migrated out of Africa into NW Africa and Spain.

15 Cloud Family Association – July 19, 2014 – Natchitoches, LA – Tom Cloud 15 Haplogroup Q believed to have migrated out of Africa into Siberia and the Americas (Siberia, Eskimo-Aluet, Indigenous Americans).

16 Cloud Family Association – July 19, 2014 – Natchitoches, LA – Tom Cloud 16 Haplogroup R is believed to have migrated out of Africa into Europe. The men in our Project are R1b and allegedly migrated into Western Europe.

17 Cloud Family Association – July 19, 2014 – Natchitoches, LA – Tom Cloud 17 Those maps reflect the Y-Haplogroups only, – the direct patrilineal line – which excludes most ancestors. You have many other lines. YOU PROBABLY HAVE ANCESTORS FROM ALL CONTINENTS. Those maps reflect the Y-Haplogroups only, – the direct patrilineal line – which excludes most ancestors. You have many other lines. YOU PROBABLY HAVE ANCESTORS FROM ALL CONTINENTS. Y Haplogroup Only

18 Cloud Family Association – July 19, 2014 – Natchitoches, LA – Tom Cloud 18 HaploCLOUDnot paternal CLOUDs I-M2531 I-M22321 J-M921 N-M1781 Q-M31 R-P25, R-M R-L48, R-L47, Z R-M3122 I – 4 people J – 1 person N – 1 person Q – 1 person R – 59 people HAPLOGROUPS 89% of the 66 men in our Y-Project are R1b and most of those are R1b-U106 -> R1b-L48 -> R1b-L47 ( Technically, the non- paternal Clouds are not in our Project )

19 Cloud Family Association – July 19, 2014 – Natchitoches, LA – Tom Cloud 19 HaplogroupOld nameConfirmedPredicted R-P25R1b12 R-M269R1b1a217 R-P311R1b1a2a1a1 2 R-U106R1b1a2a1a1a17 R-L48R1b1a2a1a1a4326 R-L47R1b1a2a1a1a4a1 R-Z1601 Haplogroup R In our Project confirmed by SNP predicted by STR Cloud men in our Project in haplogroup R (51 total) :

20 Cloud Family Association – July 19, 2014 – Natchitoches, LA – Tom Cloud 20 Haplogroup names have changed The number of SNPs is rapidly increasing The position of the SNP in the tree can change This resulted in a new naming convention NAME CONFUSION

21 Cloud Family Association – July 19, 2014 – Natchitoches, LA – Tom Cloud 21 SNPs changed position & new ones appeared. How to identify them then? The new convention is the major haplogroup followed by the SNP For William, the haplogroup is R and the SNP is L48 R1b1a2a1a1a4 is now R-L48 HAPLOGROUP NAMES OldNew R1R-M173 R1bR-M343 R1b1R-P25 R1b1aR-P297 R1b1a2R-M269 R1b1a2aR-L23 R1b1a2a1R-L150 R1b1a2a1aR-L51 R1b1a2a1a1R-P311 R1b1a2a1a1aR-U106 R1b1a2a1a1a4R-L48 Old naming convention made sense. Our “William-the-immigrant” haplogroup was previously called: R1b1a2a1a1a4

22 Cloud Family Association – July 19, 2014 – Natchitoches, LA – Tom Cloud 22 Cross-Reference for R subset of the cross-reference at right Example of changes over time: M37 – R1b2 R1b1c1 R1b1b2a R1b1a2a1a1b4a

23 Cloud Family Association – July 19, 2014 – Natchitoches, LA – Tom Cloud 23 The R-tree is very large

24 Cloud Family Association – July 19, 2014 – Natchitoches, LA – Tom Cloud 24 U106 L47 Compressed tree subclades which do not apply Have been removed (A subclade is a child haplogroup) Green – confirmed for U106 Red – negative for U198 and L1. Confirmed for L47 at 23andme – the violet line. Others are confirmed for: L47 Z160 ( I am Z159+ which = Z160 ) Z160 U198- L1-

25 Cloud Family Association – July 19, 2014 – Natchitoches, LA – Tom Cloud 25 The Results Examine your matches Contact the ones that look promising A different haplogroup means you’re not related A different haplogroup can be irrelevant May belong to a child haplogroup that isn’t listed The FTDNA genetic distance estimate makes is easy

26 Cloud Family Association – July 19, 2014 – Natchitoches, LA – Tom Cloud 26 Y-STR matches

27 Cloud Family Association – July 19, 2014 – Natchitoches, LA – Tom Cloud 27 Use FTDNA matching Use the FTDNA matching services to speed your research Click on the TiP icon to see the probability of a relationship Click on the icon to contact the person you match Use the FTDNA matching services to speed your research Click on the TiP icon to see the probability of a relationship Click on the icon to contact the person you match Tip

28 Cloud Family Association – July 19, 2014 – Natchitoches, LA – Tom Cloud 28 Using FTDNA TiP Z160 is downstream from L48 Very likely Jason is Z160 also Genetic Distance Estimate

29 Cloud Family Association – July 19, 2014 – Natchitoches, LA – Tom Cloud 29 The Y-STR results

30 Cloud Family Association – July 19, 2014 – Natchitoches, LA – Tom Cloud 30 The Y-STR results Y-STR allele values (repeats) ( DYS – DNA Y STR ) Haplogroup predicted confirmed Different haplogroups “should” mean a different family The predicted haplogroup is limited by number of markers tested The confirmed haplogroup is determined by the last SNP tested At least one man in each family group should keep up with SNP testing and enhance to next level All these men are in the same haplogroup Difference defines family branch. All male descendants will have it also.

31 Cloud Family Association – July 19, 2014 – Natchitoches, LA – Tom Cloud 31 Take a DNA test Review matches Contact matches Examine information received Do traditional research Be patient (new people testing every day) Remember this when you get confused. The Basics


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