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1 APEGGA Assistant Director of Registration Getting Licensed as a Professional Engineer, Geologist, or Geophysicist with APEGGABill Santo, P.Eng.APEGGA Assistant Director of RegistrationThe Association of Professional Engineers, Geologists and Geophysicists of Alberta
2 Focus – helping you understand how to become licensed with APEGGA AGENDAOverview of the Canadian engineering and geoscience licensing systemIntroduction to APEGGARegistration with APEGGA – process, procedure, formsQuestions and answersFocus – helping you understand how to become licensed with APEGGA
3 For Engineers, Geologists and Geophysicists Licensure in CanadaFor Engineers, Geologists and Geophysicists
4 The Canadian SystemIn Canada engineering and geoscience are regulated professionsNo one can practice engineering or geoscience without being licensed – “RIGHT TO PRACTICE”No one can call themselves and engineer or geoscientist without being licensed – “RIGHT TO TITLE”The licensing system was developed to ensure that only qualified and capable individuals are allowed to practice in the professions.
5 The Canadian SystemIn Canada the engineering and geoscience professions are regulated provincially.There is a regulatory body in each province and territory.There is separate and unique legislation in each province/territory.The professions are self regulated and self governing.There is no federal regulatory body.
6 PROTECTION OF THE PUBLIC IS PARAMOUNT The Canadian SystemIn Alberta APEGGA has been given the authority and responsibility to regulate the professions of engineering, geology and geophysics.APEGGA is the only body in Alberta or Canada that has the authority to issue a license to practice engineering, geology or geophysics.PROTECTION OF THE PUBLIC IS PARAMOUNT
7 The Canadian SystemBeing licensed in any one province does not give you the right to practice in any other province.You must be licensed in each province that you practice in.You can be licensed in all provinces/territories if necessary.Most common is licensure in 2 or 3 provinces where work is being performed.
8 Engineers CanadaEngineers Canada – formerly CCPE – Canadian Council of Professional Engineers.Engineers Canada is not a regulatory body and has no jurisdiction and no authority.Engineers Canada was created by the 12 provincial regulatory associations to act as a resource and assist in standardizing requirements across Canada.
9 Geoscientists CanadaGeoscientists Canada (formerly Canadian Council of Professional Geoscientists) is not a regulatory body and has no jurisdiction and no authority.Geoscientists Canada was created by the 12 provincial regulatory associations to act as a resource and assist in standardizing requirements across Canada.
10 Academic AssessmentsAPEGGAs Board of Examiners is the only body under the EGGP Act that has the authority to evaluate qualifications for licensure.Evaluations done by other bodies have no bearing on whether a person meets the qualifications for licensure with APEGGA.CCPE IA or EIEAPIQASWES
11 Summary – the Canadian System Regulated ProfessionProvincial JurisdictionMust be licensed in each provinceAPEGGA in Alberta
13 APEGGA – Who and What are We? Created in 1920 by the Alberta GovernmentCreated to regulate the practice of engineering, geology and geophysics in Alberta.Governed by the Engineering, Geological and Geophysical Act of Alberta (EGGP).Primary role is to ensure the protection of the public by ensuring that professional members are qualified, capable and practice competently and ethically.
14 APEGGA – Who and What are We? Currently over 63,000 members.Over 7000 applications for licensure were received in 2011.Of those applications approximately one-third (2000) were from foreign trained graduates in all three professions.APEGGA has offices in Calgary and Edmonton with approximately 60 staff overall.
15 APEGGA – Who and What are We? Registration – evaluates qualifications for licensure.Discipline – monitors members to ensure they are practicing skillfully, ethically and professionally.Compliance – policing non-licensed individuals or businesses that are practicing the professions or using a professional designation.
17 Five criteria for Licensure AcademicsRequire original transcriptsExperienceRequire Work Experience RecordsReferences for all work to be countedCharacterFrom references and self declarationEnglish LanguageTOEFL or Handwritten letterProfessional PracticeNPPE
18 Professional Licensure Professional Engineer, Geologist or GeophysicistCanadian Citizen or Permanent ResidentMust meet the FIVE CRITERIAForeign LicenseeNot a Canadian Citizen or Permanent ResidentThis is a difference in title only. Rights, privileges and qualifications are identicalA Professional Member may take legal responsibility for work done by themselves or under their direct supervision
19 Professional Licensure Member In TrainingEngineer in Training – EITGeologist in Training – GeolITGeophysicist in Training – GeophITMust satisfy only TWO CRITERIAAcademicsGood CharacterNote: Experience is not reviewed or considered.
20 Professional Licensure Provisional Licensee.Granted to foreign trained individuals who meet all of the requirements for membership except the one year Canadian experience.A designation that can show potential employers that APEGGA has qualified your credentials and only the one year of Canadian experience is required before full licensure.
21 Board of Examiners Executive Board of Examiners Determines whether applicants meet the requirements for registration20 Academic Examiners20 Experience Examiners3 Public MembersMeets 11 times per year(once per month except July)Full Board of ExaminersDeals with policy issues and appealsIncludes the executive Board plus 3 public members and 3 Members at Large.
22 Registration Processing. All documents received File sent to Academic examiner - recommendationFile sent to experience examiner – recommendationFile to Board of ExaminersTimes vary based onthe number of applicationsTime to receive documents – translations, referencesComplications with an application
24 Academic Requirements(Engineering) -How Does APEGGA Evaluate These? CEAB- Canadian Engineering Accreditation Board (Canadian engineering programs)MRA (Mutual Recognition Agreements) with US, UK, Ireland, Australia, NZ, HK, South Africa France Japan and SingaporeFDL (Foreign Degree List) – undergraduate degrees in engineeringNon-FDL - undergraduate degrees in engineering not found in one of the three categories aboveNon-Engineering Degrees – eg. NAIT/SAIT technology diploma, Math degree, Physics degree
25 Academic Requirements -Starting Point Evaluations for Engineering only CEAB-0 exams-0 examsMRAProbably 0 examsProbably 0 examsFDL-FE Exam-FE ExamNon-FDL-FE Exam-FE ExamNon-degreeUp to 24 exams(course-by-course)Up to 24 exams(course-by-course)
26 FE Confirmatory Exam -Why is it Assigned? Confirm the quality and understanding of your undergraduate engineering degreeThe assumption is you have an undergraduate degree in engineering. If you don’t have this you will be assigned exams (up to 24) on a course-by-course basisCovers broad range of material already taken in your degreeMust write exam, can not take university course equivalent instead
27 Fundamentals of Engineering Exam Administered by the National Council of Examiners for Engineering and Surveying (NCEES).8 hours long, problem solving type of exam.4 hour morning session - general - all disciplines.4 hour afternoon session – choice of specific discipline or general engineering.70% required for a pass.2 exam sessions per yearApril/May and October/NovemberInformation at
28 Course-by-Course Exams Assigned to fill academic deficiencies not to confirm an undergraduate engineering degreeCan either write APEGGA exams or take approved university course equivalents
29 APEGGA Technical Exams 3 hours long, problem solving type of examstechnical exams in your engineering disciplineat a level taken by Canadian engineering students in their undergraduate degreeprepared by professors at the U of Calgary and U of Alberta that teach those subjects2 exam sessions per yearApril/May and October/November
30 Waiving FE Exam Waive Exams? Masters or PhD CEAB or MRA institution -technical in nature (containingsignificant engineering designand analysis)-course work must be complete
32 Experience: Quantity48 months of referenced technical experience once academically qualifiedAt least one year equivalent North American engineering experience – in most cases this means one year Canadian engineering experienceMust be Referenced
33 Experience: Quality - the 5 Elements 1. Application of Technical Theory2. Practical Experience3. Development of Management Skills4. Development of Communication Skills5. Development of the Understanding of Societal Implications
34 Experience - QualityThe Board of Examiners places more emphasis on the first two elements than on the last 3 elementsThe Board wants to see evidence of direct engineering experienceUnderstanding of first principlesProblem solvingRefer to “Experience Requirements for Licensure- A Guideline” for more detailed information
35 Levels Of ExperienceTechnologist Level - technician or technologist levelcapped at 12 months maximumProfessional Level - professional level- typically 36 months required
36 Post-Graduate Degree Experience Credit Only available for Completed Masters or PhD degree– not available for partially completed Masters or PhD degreeOnly available for Full Time Studies
37 Post-Graduate Degree Experience Credit CEAB/MRA Accredited InstitutionMust be technical in naturefor course based only Masters there must be evidence of significant engineering design and analysis involved in the courses taken towards the Masters degree–similar for Geoscience
38 Post-Graduate Degree Experience Credit Must be specifically requested viaApplication Form – Number 3aMaximum credit available:Masters (course based only) max 6 monthsMasters (course & project based) max 12 monthsMasters (course and thesis) max 18 monthsPhD (course and thesis) max 24 months
39 Post-Graduate Degree Experience Credit-Documentation Required Transcripts and Course Outline or official description of all Graduate Courses taken towards the Post-Grad degreeThesis/Project InfoLetter from Thesis SupervisorApply for Post-Grad Experience Credit at time you apply for P.Member not MIT status
40 Application of Theory What Does the Application of Theory Mean? The application of theory includes:Selecting solutions and solving problemsPreparing and checking engineering designs or interpretationsShowing evidence of sound technical judgment and practicesDemonstrating familiarity with the use and application of pertinent technologies, procedures, systems and programs.May also include the collection and analysis of information and data. However, data collection and analysis should not be the major component of your experience for a significant period of time
41 Construction Engineering & Management This type of work must have the following attributes to be acceptable for full credit.Has full knowledge of the project and liaises with the project owner. Responsible for planning, implementing and finalizing projects. Ensures timeliness, cost, quality and safety. Includes risk assessment, project scope and deliverables, scheduling, site inspections, procurement, resource management, managing people and environmental considerations.Application of theory must be present.Minimum 1 year of theory along with 3 years Construction E & MCan be factored if there is no evidence of the application of theory in the work..
42 Supply Chain Management Includes purchasing, contract administration, quality control and inspectionGenerally little evidence of the application of theoryFactoring is to start at 0.25 and can be raised by the examiner if there is better evidence of the application of theoryMust have a minimum of two years of the application of theory in your discipline and the rest in this field factored at 25%
43 Project/Cost Controls Engineering Includes cost estimating, cost tracking, planning, scheduling, change management and management progress reportingMinimum of 2 years of application of theory with the remaining project/cost controls engineering experience to be factored at 0.25Factoring is to start at 0.25 and can be raised by the examiner if there is better evidence of the application of theory
44 Sales Engineering A salesperson with technical knowledge. Has technical knowledge about the product and service being sold.Uses this knowledge to determine a client’s needsSees a project through from the first contact with the buyer, through to completionIdentifies technical issues and solves problems.Can be factored if there is no evidence of the application of theory in the work
45 Waiving Exams Based on Experience Waive Exams?Experience RequiredAt least 10 years for FDL degrees, geology and geophysics degreesAt least 12 years for non-FDL degreesOverseas experience will be counted if referencedMust be solid engineering level workIncreasing technical competence and levels of responsibilityMust be referenced
46 ExperienceIn all of the cases above the burden is on the applicant to demonstrate the application of theory in their experience.
47 One Year Equivalent North American Engineering Experience 1 year Canadian experienceWhy?What?-engineering level-under supervision and controlof a P.Eng.-P.Eng supervisor will berequired to supply a ReferenceQuestionnaire-Codes and standards-climate conditions-culture-ethics-business practices-work environment
48 One Year Equivalent North American Experience Must gain this experience working under the supervision and control of a professional member.Post graduate experience for a completed Masters or PhD does not satisfy the one year equivalent North American experience requirement.Acceptable experience can be obtained in a university setting but it must be outside the Masters or PhD program.
49 Description of Work Experience Must use the prescribed Work Experience Record form – no other form is acceptableWork Experience Summary – single pageWork Experience Record Details – one page for each job or positionRequire detailed chronological information on job positions, titles, job descriptions, assignments, and duties and responsibilities with emphasis on the engineering content of the work experienceEvidence of Increasing Technical Competency and Levels of Responsibility
50 Description of Work Experience The experience record must focus on the application of engineering or geoscience principles.Detail the actual duties that you performedFocus on the 5 quality elements of experience
51 Structuring Statements WhatI calculated the short circuit levelsHowby conducting a computer simulation using all of the network system inputWhyIn order to determine the short circuit levels at the substation
52 References -Who Can Be a Reference? Reference must have first-hand personal knowledge of your work experienceReferences should be from engineers or geoscientists – supervisors or clientsPreferred references are from Professional Members in supervisory rolesIf Reference Questionnaire is completed in a language other than English APEGGA will have it translated at our expense
53 References -How Many are Needed? Minimum of 3 references but more might be requiredProvide reference names and addresses on the Work Experience Record.KEY- need references to cover the entire work historyTIP: If you want the Board to consider waiving exams based on 10 years of experience we will need references to cover at least 10 years of experienceeg if you had 6 jobs over 10 years we will need at least 6 references
54 Contact references ahead of time to advise them they will be receiving Reference Questionnaire forms from APEGGA and ask them to complete and submit those forms to APEGGA as quickly as possible
55 Reconsiderations & Appeals If you think that there has been information missed or not reviewed you can request a Reconsideration of a Board decisionMust provide new or additional information within 30 days of receipt of your letter.$150 reconsideration feeIf the Reconsideration is denied you can request an Appeal to the Full Board from an unsuccessful ReconsiderationMust provide new or additional information within 30 days of receipt of your letter
56 English Language Competency (ELC This is a statutory requirement (EGGPA).Those whose undergraduate degree was taught in English are exempt from proof.All others require a minimum TOEFL score of 600 (written), 250 (computer), 100 (on-line).A manuscript appeal letter may be considered in lieu.
57 English Language Competency (ELC) ELC – if degree was not taught in EnglishTOEFLHandwritten LetterandCanadian P.Eng. ReferencesOR-600 on paper test-250 on computerTest-100 on internet test-letter explaining why you areCompetent in the English language-Canadian P.Eng references alsocomment on your ability tocommunicate in English
59 Professional Practice Examination (PPE) All applicants must write PPETests applicants’ knowledgeof law, ethics, and professionalism
60 – Purchase through APEGGA office Professional Practice Exam - ContentProfessionalismProfessional PracticeRegulatory Authority RequirementsLaw and Legal ConceptsThe EGGP ActStudy Kit - $150– Purchase through APEGGA office
61 Professional Practice Examination -Exam Type and Format 100 question, multiple choice2 hours, closed bookPass/Fail with 65% minimumGrade is FinalOffered 4 times per year, typically in up to 20+ locations around North America
62 Applying to Write PPE- EIT, Exam Candidate or Student or active applicant for P.Eng or EITApply using PPE Application Form – found in Application for Registration packagePPE fee - $130For forms and more information refer to APEGGA web-site at
63 General Information Apply using Application for Registration form available in hard copy by request from APEGGA Calgary and Edmonton officesalternatively can download Application documentation from APEGGA web-siteExperience Requirements for Licensure - A Guidelineavailable in hard copy or on the APEGGA web-site (part of Application for Registration package)
64 Application for Registration -Documents to Complete “Application for Registration” formName and contact information of at least 3 references (more than 3 references may be required)“Request for Academic Documents” form - send it to your university not to APEGGACopy of proof of Canadian Citizenship or permanent resident statusapplication feeELC documentation at some point
65 Applicant Identification Once you have submitted your application to APEGGA you will receive a member number.MxxxxxxUse this number for any correspondence with APEGGA.
66 Transcripts and Certificates of Graduation APEGGA must receive original transcripts and Certificates of Graduation directly from your institutionsUse the “Request for Academic Documents” form to instruct your institutions to send your transcripts and Certificates of Graduation directly to APEGGA
67 Transcripts and Certificates of Graduation - APEGGA will get them translated at APEGGA’s expenseIf APEGGA does not receive direct confirmation from your university, the Board will not waive exams based on experience and will also specify which exams you must write
68 Length of Time to Evaluate Applications Usually takes 6 to 12 months to complete the evaluation of an applicant’s qualificationsWill vary depending on how long it takes to receive all the required documentationMay take longer if translations required
69 Writing Exams - Guidelines Exam assessments must be started within 2 years of the Board review date.A course by course exam assessment can be satisfied by taking university level equivalents or by writing the APEGGA exams.A confirmatory assessment can only be satisfied by writing the FE exam.
70 “Eligible for Registration” - What Does This Mean? Job advertisements often indicate that an applicant for the job must be “eligible for registration” with APEGGA. What does this mean?It means different things to different employersTo some employers this might mean a person must be eligible for registration immediatelyTo other employers it might mean that they think the person has the skills & abilities to do the job and as long as the person is willing to apply to APEGGA that’s okay even if they have to write exams or meet other requirements
71 APEGGA Services & Benefits -Mentoring programs-Resume Referral Service-Insurance Program & other Member BenefitsRefer to APEGGA web-site for more info
72 APEGGA Resume Referral Service Computerized job registry systemOver 650 job postings this year so far69 resumes submitted for viewingFor more info contactSara Manning at
73 Mobility Within Canada Must be licensed in each province in which you practiceCan be registered in more than one province at the same timeAIT/TILMA transfers – streamline the application and evaluation process
74 Mobility Within Canada - AIT/NWPTA applies only to individuals who are registered as P.Engs/P.Geos in good standing in their home associationTIP: If you move to another province you should get registered in that province first before you cancel your APEGGA registration
75 Mobility With the USA Mobility Agreement signed with Texas State Board Streamlines movement between Alberta and TexasCheck with other US State BoardsAPEGGA is now offering FE and PE exams for NCEES- contact Dr. Milt Petruk atFor more information refer to APEGGA Web-site:
76 Contact InformationAPEGGA Web-site ‘www.apegga.org’Mark Tokarik, LL.B., P.Eng – Director of RegistrationBill Santo, P.Eng – Assistant DirectorPark Powell, P.Eng – Assistant DirectorAlan Dunn – Assistant Directoror
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