Presentation on theme: "Justifying an organic differential diagnosis John O’Donovan."— Presentation transcript:
Justifying an organic differential diagnosis John O’Donovan
True story about one of my friends doing MRCPsych Part 2 “What’s your differential?” “Oh, schizophrenia, schizoaffective disorder, mood disorder and of course organic” “Which particular organic process?” “oh you know, all of them potentially” “No, I don’t know, which ones specifically” “oh you know, strokes and stuff like that..” At this point the conversation became very unpleasant and remained so thereafter. She failed.
Basic rules Differential diagnostic lists should by definition be brief. Offering an organic option is in fact stating that there is an underlying brain disorder or systemic disorder causing the presentation If this is patently not the case, then do not offer an organic differential
ICD-10 F00 alzheimer’s F01 vascular dementia F02 dementia in other diseases-Pick’s, CJD, HIV, Parkinson’s (note Lewy Body Disease is not there and neither are the FTDs properly) F03 unspecified dementia F04 organic amnesic syndrome F05 delirium note both F04 and F05 exclude alcohol and other addictive substances F06 organic brain disorders due to physical disease F07 organic personality disorders
ICD 10 F06 Other mental disorders due to brain damage and dysfunction and to physical disease F06.0 Organic hallucinosis F06.1 Organic catatonic disorder F06.2 Organic delusional [schizophrenia-like] disorder F06.3 Organic mood [affective] disorder.30 Organic manic disorder.31 Organic bipolar disorder.32 Organic depressive disorder.33 Organic mixed affective disorder F06.4 Organic anxiety disorder F06.5 Organic dissociative disorder F06.6 Organic emotionally labile [asthenic] disorder F06.7 Mild cognitive disorder.70 Not associated with a physical disorder.71 Associated with a physical disorder F06.8 Other specified mental disorders due to brain damage and dysfunction and to physical disease F06.9 Unspecified mental disorder due to brain damage and dysfunction and to physical disease F07 Personality and behavioural disorders due to brain disease, damage and dysfunction F07.0 Organic personality disorder F07.1 Postencephalitic syndrome F07.2 Postconcussional syndrome F07.8 Other organic personality and behavioural disorders due to brain disease, damage and dysfunction F07.9 Unspecified mental disorder due to brain disease, damage and dysfunction F09 Unspecified organic or symptomatic mental disorder
What about the other areas? F10-F19, addictions, NB withdrawal states are coded here. F10.6: amnesic syndrome secondary to alcohol. Therefore alcohol related brain damage goes into the alcohol block, not the organic block, although clearly there is an organic basis
The organic differential What suggests it? Atypical features of a psychiatric presentation Wrong age, wrong psychopathology, wrong course, very much a gestalt phenomena Evidence of cognitive impairment, neurological signs or systemic illness of some type
Primary CNS versus Systemic CNS Cognitive problems Seizures Headache Focal signs Remember blood brain barrier, primary CNS pathology, often does not cause any systemic abnormalities Systemic affecting CNS Systemic markers General ill health Systemic questions Evidence of systemic disease
Rare versus Common and causality Rare illnesses Mitochondrial disorders Autoimmune encephalitis Paraneoplastic syndromes Primary or secondary CNS vasculitis Metabolic disorders, Niemann Pick, metachromatic leucodystrophy and other leucodystrophies Wilson’s Many others Common Stroke Epilepsy Multiple sclerosis Dementias particularly Alzheimer’s disease Primary brain tumors are rare HIV in the right setting Huntington’s Parkinson’s/LBD
Think Do you believe it? Have you ever seen it? Schizophrenia is not an uncommon illness and neither is BPAD or recurrent depression. An uncommon presentation of a common illness is always more common than a common presentation of an uncommon illness.
CLINICAL SCENARIOS 1 24 year old female medical student who presents to her GP with severe anxiety, weight loss of one stone and mild tachycardia. Can’t sleep very well, palpitations, just broken up with boyfriend. MSE: well groomed, thin, sweaty, cognitively intact, intermittently tearful and crying, not hallucinating or deluded. Physical exam: normal but pulse consistently 115
Grave’s Disease Autoimmune Far more common in women Insidious onset Goitre, exopthalmos and pretibial myxedema Not all that uncommon and is definitely associated with anxiety and panic as well as low mood. Inv: TFTs, and thyroid stimulating autoantibodies
Clinical scenario 2 44 year old man with 18 month history of difficult to treat depression and severe psychomotor retardation, complaining of a painful right arm and being restless in bed at night. MSE: depressed with negative cognitions, retarded, cognitively normal. Physical: nil obvious Bloods normal, CT and MRI normal
Parkinson’s Disease 50% of PD patients at onset of illness have a severe depressive episode Frequently does not respond well to standard ADTs When someone is depressed, mid life onset of depression, particularly if associated with movement problems, then consider
Clinical scenario 3 18 year old girl, presents with UTI in A/E having “pseudoseizures” No prior history, brother has epilepsy. On IV antibiotics, C/O severe abdominal and loin pain Basic bloods normal MSE: orientated, C/O tummy pain, unusual affect labile and tearful Collateral: family describe her as moody and difficult. CT brain done reluctantly in A/E is normal
Acute intermittent porphyria Acute attacks of abdominal pain, seizures and central disturbance. In particular cognition and mood. Diagnosis: biochemical urine and blood porphyrins. That girl was real and she died.
Clinical scenario 4 28 year old man brought in by police from the street on a section as he was walking naked in traffic. In A/E singing loudly, walking around and irritable. MSE: accelerated and aggressive, elated mood, sexually suggestive to nurses Collateral: normally well, good job, long term history of epilepsy which is well controlled, mother attends service with bipolar and is on lithium. No recent seizures.
BPAD Very little convincing evidence that this man has anything but bipolar disorder with first presentation of a manic episode.
Clinical scenario 5 29 year old woman with MCTD on her honeymoon in Australia. Begins to fight with husband in hotel at Ayer’s rock. GP goes out, It’s a domestic and legs it. Continues to be unwell for next three weeks, ultimately seen in Sydney and started on olanzapine. MSE: giggling, imprecisely orientated, Raynaud’s phenomena, mild alopecia. Bloods ESR elevated, creatinine 180, anaemic, dsDNA positive
SLE Can cause anything Vasculitis White matter disease All known psychiatric presentations have been reported in neuropsychiatric lupus Should have evidence of systemic disease, inflamatory response and autoantibodies.
Clinical scenario 6 65 year old man, referred by GP with depression, 12 month history of sleep disturbance, complex visual hallucinations at night and restless legs, took overdose, wife notes that he is getting his words mixed up, not obvious on exam, complaining of problems with vision, not being fixed with new glasses, can’t see TV properly, treated with ADT starts to improve, then develops headache and scalp tenderness Diagnostic test performed
Glioblastoma Non dominant parietal and temporal lobe glioblastoma
Clinical scenario 7 22 year old single woman. Presents with emotional lability, gross ataxia, supranuclear gaze palsy and massive splenomegaly. Family history of a rare metabolic disease already known.
Adult Niemann Pick Disease Rare metabolic disorder which results in liver and spleen disease and white matter disorder in the brain. Incredibly rare, reason for mentioning is that the hereditary leucodystrophies are associated with psychiatric presentations including psychosis and depression. They are not neurologically normal.
Clinical scenario 8 60 year old woman with long standing psychiatric history who presents with a manic episode complicated by generalised seizures. Get admitted under neurology, CT brain normal, CSF raised protein and some white cells, oligoclonal bands present, mild hypothyroidism, unusually high titres of anti thyroid antibodies
Hashimoto’s encephalopathy rare illness Relapsing delirum like picture but frequently with lots of psychosis Mechanism unknown but does respond to steroids and immunosurpression Associated with high titres of anti thyroid antibodies
Clinical scenario 9 34 year old nurse who presents to A/E with dilated and fixed left pupil. This happens shortly after a very minor assault by a patient. No opthalmoplegia, no headache. Has urgent cerebral angiogram and MRI brain-both normal. Visual acuity inconsistent on examination, cocaine eye test done suggesting a local blockade
Malingering Pharmacological blockade of the eye. She left the hospital when it was suggested, never seen again.
Common themes of these patients They have evidence of something other than straightforward psychiatric disease. Nearly always present on history and exam and then confirmed via investigations. Take home message: be sparing in the use of organic as a differential diagnosis and remember that organic as a label means very little, until it is broken down further.
How to investigate? CT brain Fast Cheap Good for bone Good for blood and mass lesions Does not visualise brainstem, posterior fossa or hippocampi MRI brain Slower More expensive Much better resolution Needs cautious interpretation Preferred option as a scan.
Imaging Ct with SDHMRI with SDH
Get the most out of your neuroradiologist When writing a request, as much detail as possible, particularly anatomical detail and clinical detail. Occasionally a detailed letter and ideally face to face contact always produces a better service.
Get the most out of your local neurologist If a neurological disorder is suspected, then clearly get a neurology opinion which may ultimately prove a lot cheaper and is going to be a lot better for the patient.
Conclusion Be very precise when talking about organic aetiologies Do the basic tests Be quick to refer Odd presentations of madness are to be expected. Weird presentations of physical illness are always far less likely but must be considered, sought out and treated.