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Munnelly Origins Version 5 Presented June 22, 2013 Scranton, Pennsylvania We have a History Our direct ancestors, the OMaonghailes arose as early as1300 and recently as 1500 Our name was carried by those living in the 8 th and 9 th century and they were very likely our ancestors too.
Part 1: County Mayo John ODonovan Ordinance Survey 1838
Roman Catholic Parishes of County Mayo
The Earliest Munnellys The earliest recorded group of Munnellys is found in a set of decrees known as the Tudor Fiants. In a pardon issued 8 March 1593 in Fiant number 5798 the following eight people are mentioned: Melaghlin oge mPhilip O Monylla, Edm. mWm. O Monylla, Cormock O Monillae, Edm. m Riccard O Monyllae, Shan oge O Monyllae, Oueny O Monyllae Rich. O Monyllae and Wm. mRickard buy, of same husbandmen They were living in a place recorded as Ballincashill which is known today as Ballycastle. What were the Fiants and why are they so useful Another possible Munnelly reference appears in the record around this time. Richardo Manaly was an Irish soldier serving in the Spanish army in Flanders around 1606.
Doonfeeny and Downpatrick Head near Ballycastle on the north coast of County Mayo 2012
Ballymunnelly ODonovans remark connecting the OMonnellys to Ballymunnelly is confirmed. In a legal deposition taken in 1642, Teige OMonelly and Richard OMonelly of Bavonelly [sic] along with Richard Barrett of Cloontikilla, Edmund Barrett of Drinishia [sic] and several others were named in crimes on Edmund Barretts land in County Mayo. Bavonelly is almost certainly Ballymunnelly. The deposition is among many connected to the uprising that began in October 1641, which included attacks on people, loss of property, and an attempt to seize Dublin Castle. Ballymunnelly or Munnellys Place was named for the group.
The records establish a continuing Munnelly presence in the area Friar James Monely, a Franciscan priest, was recorded in 1704 during the registration of the clergy. He was in Cloontakilla, on the shore of Carrowmore Lake, not far from Ballymunnelly. Cormuck Monnilly, a Franciscan priest, appears in probably at Moyne Abby. He is also remembered by Munnellys in the oral tradition.
The 1417 Topographical Poems In 2004 The Great Book of Irish Genealogies: Leabhar Mor Na nGenealach was published. This is the first time some of the material has been available in English. It is 3,100 pages long. In 2006, Muraile followed up with, Dubhaltach Mac Fhirbisgh and County Mayo, a shorter version of the first work covering County Mayo. What are topographical poems? A compilation written in 1666 based on topographical poems composed from Many of the same surnames found in Ballycastle in the 1593 Fiants are also found in this work No names similar to OMonnelly are found. This may well be an indication that the group was not in the area until the late 1400s or about the year 1500
Ballymunnelly first appears in The Composition of Connacht in 1585
Ballymunnelly It seems to never have supported many people. But would have had cattle. The general feeling is like being in a large valley. It is along a strategic road between Crossmolina and the coast. It is south of the settlement on Carrowmore Lake. It was not listed as a townland or settlement in the modern censuses of Ireland beginning in 1841 The Chapel there was built in 1952 The land is boggy and area was proposed as the site for a nuclear power plant First appears in 1585 Consignment of Connacht
The Browne Map II 1591
Ballymunnelly Ballymunnelly was a quarter when it was first mentioned in 1585 and was still listed as a quarter in the Strafford Inquisition of County Mayo in1635. The quantity of land in a quarter or carrow in Ireland depended on how productive it was. The meaning of a quarter can be gleaned from the records. Typical descriptions mention the ability to graze 40 cows on a quarter of land and to use what were termed under tenants.
A typical description of carrow or quarter in 1635
Working the Land In the 1642 deposition the Monellys and others are described as tenants and farmers, meaning, they lived there permanently. This is consistent with the 1593 entry describing them as husbandmen. There is no way to know from the information what the tenancy arrangement was. Typically, the arrangement was semi-permanent and measured in lives plus a fixed number of years.
Ballymunnelly on Pettys Map 1683
Bog s in Ireland
Population Density 1841
The 1593 Pardon Melaghlin oge mPhilip O Monylla, Edm. mWm. O Monylla, Cormock O Monillae, Edm. m Riccard O Monyllae, Shan oge O Monyllae, Oueny O Monyllae Rich. O Monyllae and Wm. mRickard buy, of same husbandmen One can infer the relationship of these eight men from their Gaelic names, as follows: Melanghlin was the son of another Melanghlin, the grandson of Philip and great grandson of OMonylla Edmund was the son of William Shan was the son of another Shan William and Edmund were the sons of Richard who is Richard O Monyllae We dont know about Cormock or Oueny (Owen)
The names in the 1593 Pardon reveal the OMaonghailes had existed for a least four generations or about 100 years G Birt h The founder possiblyMaonghaile O'Doherty Philip O Monylla Riccard O Monillae ( Unknown) O Monyllae Melaghlin O Monylla William O Monylla Edmund O Monillae Cormock O MonillaeOueny O Monyllae Richard O Monyllae Melaghlin Oge O Monylla Edmund O Monylla Shan Oge O Monyllae William O Monyllae
Estimating The Time Of The Common Munnelly Ancestor It is possible to estimate that the common ancestor of the Munleys lived between 1300 and 1500 A.D. Each of these methods is discussed below and leads to a similar result –Using Dr. Klyosovs linear method of computation and probabilities. The simplest formula is this: Number of haplotypes (samples) X Number of mutations from Model X.090 for 37 Marker samples = Generations to a Common Ancestor –Using the 15 Munley samples currently on Family Tree DNA with at lease 37 markers, the formula is 15 X 21 X.090 resulting in generations –At 25 years per generation that is 709 years, at 30 years per generation it is 850. Working backwards from 2013 gives the years 1163 to 1304 Family Tree DNA probabilities, the maximum estimated distance between pairs of the 15 samples as 850 years or about The two computations give similar results.
The Oral Traditions of Munnelly Origins The First Munnellys were told by an old woman to follow their cattle until they reached a large valley, which became Ballymunnelly. Seven brothers who settled in different places in the shape of star. The stories capture something about Munnelly settlement –It is spread out –It is in older areas –Probably settled when all of northern County Mayo was controlled by the MacWilliam clan – before The territory was split with the Barrett clan in The Munnellys were from Spain
Part 2: Before County Mayo Records in English begin around 1580 while Irish records ended as a result of the Reformation and conquest. While written records begin as early as 700 A D they are not complete. The records were kept by monks and poets in Latin, Gaelic and Irish but they are qualitatively different from the English language ones. Annals of Ulster and other books noted significant events by year In this period research is increasing done by Triangulating historical records with Y-DNA samples and place names to gain an understanding. Testing the Munnelly – Manley Y-DNA connection to the Doherty clan inconclusive The Cenel Moan or Clan Moan also show an historical connection and similarity in their Y-DNA to the Munnelly – Manley samples The historical and Y-DNA connections linking the OMaonghaile and MacMaonghail groups
Summery of historical evidence pointing to a Doherty connection In the Doherty clan genealogy, three ancestors bore the names Maenghuile, Moenghuile or Maonghail in the ninth and tenth centuries. –The name is not associated with any other clan –It was not used as given names or surname after this time There is an old fort named Dunwiley is in the Doherty homeland next to Ardmiran in County Donegal and it is believed to preserve the name Maonghaile. ODonovans comments in the Ordinance Survey Letters The oral tradition for five or seven brothers
The Maonghaile connection in the Doherty Genealogy is remote Aindilis Conor managh (of the monks) Donall Rory Donall mor Angus Muirchertagh Dermot Conor Donal fin (white) Donogh don (brown) Donall of Drom Fornogh Maenghaile Donogh Maonghaile Dochartach (the first Doherty) Maonghaile Fiamahan Cindaladh Gairb Ronan Luighdheach Seadna Fergus Conall Gulban Aindilis, the first chief of the Doherty clan in 1188 The Maonghailes lived in the 9 th Century
Donegal Showing Stranolar, Admiran, Dunwiley and the Clan Moan Area
The Fort of Dunwiley The fort of Dunwiley. The first element in Maenghuile, Gaelic maoin, means wealth or treasure. In the second element, ghuile, gh can be dh pronounced like y or if it is located in the middle or end of a name, it is usually silent. Ghuile is thought to equate to wiley in Dunwiley, rendered as Dun Mhaonghuile or fort of Maonghaile and if the case, it would seem the history of the ODochartys can be tentatively traced to the ninth century. The fort has a unique design indicated a connection the Vikings or Romans.
The Fort of Dunwiley The Herringbone design of the fort suggests Viking or even Roman influence. The picture below shows a herringbone design in a reconstruction of the Viking settlement in L'Anse aux Meadows in Newfoundland, Canada or Vineland. Both forts date from 1000 A D The fort maybe older than the Doherty clan!
Comparison of Munnelly and Doherty Y-DNA Munnelly Y-DNA is similar to that of the Dohertys in that they are both R1b1a2a1a1b4b Most, but not all Doherty samples have a value of 22 at a location known as YCAIIb This nearly unique marker is not found in the Munnelly group Every Munnelley has a value of 12 at location 455. None of the Dohertys or any other group has the value 12 at 455 If the Munnelly results had 22 at location YCAIIb there would be little doubt that they were at one time part of the Doherty clan, but that is not the case. They share other similarities along with differences
The Munnellys Show a Connection to the Clan Moan Munnelly Y-DNA is similar to a lesser known group of surnames historically part of a group known as the Cenel Moain or Clan Moain. The group was composed principally of the OGormleys clan, with several others such the OKanes, McHenrys. All of these groups and the Munnellys are 23 where the Dohertys are 22. –
Ó Maonghaile, Mac Maonghail Surnames According to Patrick Woulf Mac MAONGHAIL –IV MMounell, MMonnell, MMonyll, MacMonagle, MacMongegal, MacMonigal, MacMonigle, MacMunigal, Monagle: son of Maongal (wealth-valour); an old Donegal surname. For unaspirated g, cf. Mac Congail Ó MAONGHAILE --I O Monhily, O Monnilly, Munnelly, Monnelly, Monley, Manley; des of Maonghal (gilt-valour); found chiefly in Donegal and North Connacht.
Bishops of Raphoe Magonail – MacMaonghail or Conwall Padraig Magonail, MacMaonghail or Mac Congail Bishop of Raphoe 1367 Donat Magonail or Mac Congail Sed 1563 death 1589 succeeded and assisted at the Council of Trent in He was the last Catholic bishop of Raphoe.
Mac Maenghal - Conwell
Moenghal in Early Medieval Times Moenghal appears in the Doherty family tree and in the name of several abbots in the Annals of Ulster and other books –851 Moenghal abbot of Ardstraw in west County Tyrone dies –855 Maenghal, abbot of Fobhar in West Meath dies –869 Maenghal the Pilgrim, abbot of Beannchair near Bangor County Down dies –873 Maenghal, Priory of Clonmacnoise died County Offaly dies
Moenghals Poem to King Niall In 844 Moenghal the Pilgrim wrote upon the death of King Niall Take with thee the total destruction of Niall, who was not a judge without judgment, To the King of heaven let him make submission, that he may make smooth for him every difficulty. Niall was drowned Niall was good Niall in the sea Niall in fire Niall without death.
Marcellus – Moenghal 9 th Century Scribe, Writer, Musician and Missionary Was known as Marcellus. He travelled with his nephew and visited Bobblio, Italy Lived at St Gall Abbey in Switzerland Has two manuscripts one in Zurich and the other in Basel Wrote in Latin and Greek Zimmer, a German Academic attempted to prove that Marcellus – Moenghal was the same man as the Moenghal the Pilgrim in Donegal A great musician and teacher to the Medieval composer Nokter (840 – 912)
St Gall Abby Switzerland
Moenghal-Marcelluss Greek and Latin Manuscript in the Universitätsbibliothek Basel, Switzerland
The Moenghal Inscription at Inis Cealtra Monestary in County Galway MOENGAL MAC LODGIN was found carved on a stone at Irish cealtra Abbey in Galway. The context would date it to around 1000 A D. Mac Lodgin was possibly a person named Laidgen mentioned in the 7 th Century.
Part 3: Speculative Evidence There are about 80 people using the name Moneghal in Barcelona, Spain with others in France and Uruguay Steve Dunfords work on Rathfran Abby near Lackan and Killala, County Mayo
Rathfran Abby County Mayo. Standing 64 high and 2 wide at the top, narrowing to 16 at the base, The inscription has been deciphered as possibly reading:- Joannes OMunilay (or it could be OMaille) me fiery fecit This date may not be correct.