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1 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 1 IEEE 802 JTC1 Standing Committee May 2014 agenda 13 May 2014 Authors: NameCompanyPhone Andrew MylesCisco

2 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 This presentation will be used to run the IEEE 802 JTC1 SC meetings in Hawaii in May 2014 This presentation contains a proposed running order for the IEEE 802 JTC1 Standing Committee meeting in Hawaii in May 2014, including –Proposed agenda –Other supporting material It will be modified during the meeting to include motions, straw polls and other material referred to during the meeting Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 2

3 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 3 Participants have a duty to inform in relation to patents All participants in this meeting have certain obligations under the IEEE- SA Patent Policy (IEEE-SA SB Bylaws sub-clause 6.2). Participants: –Shall inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed) of the identity of each holder of any potential Essential Patent Claims of which they are personally aware if the claims are owned or controlled by the participant or the entity the participant is from, employed by, or otherwise represents Personal awareness means that the participant is personally aware that the holder may have a potential Essential Patent Claim, even if the participant is not personally aware of the specific patents or patent claims –Should inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed) of the identity of any other holders of such potential Essential Patent Claims (that is, third parties that are not affiliated with the participant, with the participants employer, or with anyone else that the participant is from or otherwise represents) –The above does not apply if the patent claim is already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance that applies to the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group Early identification of holders of potential Essential Patent Claims is strongly encouraged; there is no duty to perform a patent search

4 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 4 There are a variety of patent related links All participants should be familiar with their obligations under the IEEE- SA Policies & Procedures for standards development. Patent Policy is stated in these sources: –IEEE-SA Standards Boards Bylaws –IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual Material about the patent policy is available at –http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-material.htmlhttp://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-material.html If you have questions, contact the IEEE-SA Standards Board Patent Committee Administrator at –or visit This slide set is available at slideset.ppt

5 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 5 A call for potentially essential patents is not required in the IEEE 802 JTC1 SC If anyone in this meeting is personally aware of the holder of any patent claims that are potentially essential to implementation of the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group and that are not already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance: –Either speak up now or –Provide the chair of this group with the identity of the holder(s) of any and all such claims as soon as possible or –Cause an LOA to be submitted

6 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 6 The IEEE 802 JTC1 SC will operate using general guidelines for IEEE-SA Meetings All IEEE-SA standards meetings shall be conducted in compliance with all applicable laws, including antitrust and competition laws. –Dont discuss the interpretation, validity, or essentiality of patents/patent claims. –Dont discuss specific license rates, terms, or conditions. Relative costs, including licensing costs of essential patent claims, of different technical approaches may be discussed in standards development meetings. Technical considerations remain primary focus –Dont discuss or engage in the fixing of product prices, allocation of customers, or division of sales markets. –Dont discuss the status or substance of ongoing or threatened litigation. –Dont be silent if inappropriate topics are discussed … do formally object. See IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual, clause and Promoting Competition and Innovation: What You Need to Know about the IEEE Standards Association's Antitrust and Competition Policy for more details.

7 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 7 Links are available to a variety of other useful resources Link to IEEE Disclosure of Affiliation –http://standards.ieee.org/faqs/affiliationFAQ.htmlhttp://standards.ieee.org/faqs/affiliationFAQ.html Links to IEEE Antitrust Guidelines –http://standards.ieee.org/resources/antitrust-guidelines.pdfhttp://standards.ieee.org/resources/antitrust-guidelines.pdf Link to IEEE Code of Ethics –http://www.ieee.org/web/membership/ethics/code_ethics.htmlhttp://www.ieee.org/web/membership/ethics/code_ethics.html Link to IEEE Patent Policy –http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.ppthttp://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.ppt

8 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 8 The IEEE 802 JTC1 SC will operate using accepted principles of meeting etiquette IEEE 802 is a world-wide professional technical organization Meetings are to be conducted in an orderly and professional manner in accordance with the policies and procedures governed by the organization. Individuals are to address the technical content of the subject under consideration and refrain from making personal comments to or about the presenter.

9 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 Call to Order Select recording secretary <- important! Approve agenda Conduct meeting according to agenda Recess The IEEE 802 JTC1 SC has two slots at the Hawaii interim meeting Andrew Myles, Cisco Call to Order Select recording secretary <- important! Conduct meeting according to agenda Adjourn Note: Probably any motions today Tuesday 13 May, PM1 Thursday 15 May, PM1

10 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 The IEEE 802 JTC1 SC has a detailed list of agenda items to be considered In no particular order: Approve minutes –From plenary meeting in March 2014 in Beijing Review extended goals –From IEEE 802 ExCom in Nov 2010 –Review formal status of SC Review status of SC6 interactions –Review liaisons of drafts to SC6 –Review notifications of projects to SC6 –Review status of FDIS ballots Consider any motions Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 10

11 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 11 The IEEE 802 JTC1 SC will consider approving its agenda Motion to approve agenda The IEEE 802 JTC1 SC approves the agenda for its meeting in Hawaii in May 2014, as documented on pages 10 of Moved: Seconded: Result:

12 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 The IEEE 802 JTC1 SC will consider approval of previous minutes Motion to approve minutes The IEEE 802 JTC1 SC approves the minutes for its meeting in Beijing in March 2014, as documented in r r0 Moved: Seconded: Result: Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 12

13 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 13 The IEEE 802 JTC1 SC reaffirmed its general goals in Sept 09, but they were extended in Nov 2010 Agreed (with changes from Nov 2010) goals Provides a forum for 802 members to discuss issues relevant to both: –IEEE 802 –ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6 Recommends positions to ExCom on ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6 actions affecting IEEE 802 –Note that IEEE 802 LMSC holds the liaison to SC6, not the IEEE WG Participates in dialog with IEEE staff and 802 ExCom on issues concerning IEEEs relationship with ISO/IEC Organises IEEE 802 members to contribute to liaisons and other documents relevant to the ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6 members Extensions The extensions to our goals came out of the IEEE 802 ExCom ad hoc held in November 2010 on the Friday evening

14 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 The formal status of the IEEE 802 JTC1 SC has now been cleaned up Originally the IEEE 802 JTC1 SC was an ad hoc in IEEE WG Its scope was expanded to cover IEEE 802 issues in November 2010 It appears, based on minutes, that somewhere between Nov 2011 and March 2012 the ad hoc was formally converted to an IEEE 802 SC However, it is not clear whether this was done under the authority of the IEEE 802 ExCom Chair or IEEE 802 ExCom or … In March 2014 the IEEE 802 ExCom cleaned up the formalities with the following motion –As per 802 P&P 5.6 "other subgroups" create an EC 802/JTC1 Standing Committee, with Andrew Myles appointed as SC chairman by the Sponsor Chair Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 14

15 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 In recent times, IEEE 802 has liaised a variety of drafts to SC6 IEEE 802 has agreed to liaise drafts to SC6 when they are in Sponsor Ballot (and sometimes earlier) The benefit to IEEE 802 is that it might cause SC6 members to participate in or contribute to IEEE 802 activities before the PSDO process Since November 2014,the IEEE 802 has liaised the following drafts to SC6 for their information and comment: – WG 18 Nov 2013: ac D7.0 (now ratified by IEEE) 18 Nov 2013: af D6.0 (now ratified by IEEE) –802.1 WG 25 Nov 2013: 802.1Xbx D1.2 8 May 2014: 802 D1.9 8 May 2014: 802.1Q D2.0 Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 15

16 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 The SC will hear an update on plans for liaising additional IEEE drafts to SC6 Previously, Mick Seaman took an action to enquire of Tony Jeffree as to which drafts IEEE would like to liaise to SC6 It appears that the IEEE WG has agreed to send drafts for information including: –802.1Xbx –802.1Q Last time there was some question as to whether the 802 O&A should be liaised now or after Sponsor Ballot –It has been sent Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 16

17 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 The SC will hear an update on plans for liaising additional IEEE drafts to SC6 The current plan for the IEEE WG is that only revisions will be sent through the PSDO process Previously, Geoff Thompson and Bruce Kraemer took an action to enquire of David Law as to which additional drafts IEEE would like to liaise to SC6 as part of PSDO process Subsequently, David Law and Adam Healy sent the Chair an –We are thinking of proposing to IEEE in July that we move to the model of liaising all drafts amendments to SC6 in the future for comment –Can you explain the process that IEEE already uses to do this? –I believe that IEEE submits these drafts at sponsor - is that correct? This will be discussed again in July Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 17

18 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 The SC will hear an update on plans for liaising additional IEEE drafts to SC6 There a couple of amendments that could be sent through the PSDO process immediately –802.11ac –802.11af Should the WG agree to start the PSDO process for ac and af? –It needs an IEEE WG motion and an IEEE 802 EC motion –This can be done in July 2014 Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 18

19 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 The SC will discuss the possibility of liaising IEEE drafts to SC6 Previously, WG has been liaising drafts to SC31 Is there any update on the possibility of the WG liaising drafts to SC6? –Jodi Haasz (IEEE staff) had had a discussion with Henry Couchieri (ISO staff) to move the liaison to SC6, but has not reported on the results –She noted, did have the conversation with ISO and have nothing to report as of yet. I will reach out again. This issue will be discussed on Thursday Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 19

20 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 The SC will discuss the possibility of liaising additional IEEE drafts to SC6 The WG decided to submit under the PSDO Details later, but this process has started –Aside: this would have been a good standard to which to apply the proposed PSDO submission criteria The WG will need to decide on which drafts to submit in the future Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 20

21 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 In recent times, IEEE 802 has notified SC6 of various new projects IEEE 802 has agreed to notify SC6 when IEEE 802 starts new projects The benefit to IEEE 802 is that it might cause SC6 members to participate in or contribute to IEEE 802 activities Most recently (in 6N15936 in April 2014) IEEE 802 notified SC6 of the approval of the following SGs –IEEE Gigabit Plastic Optical Fibre (POF) Study Group –IEEE Mb/s Operation over a Single Twisted Pair Study Group Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 21

22 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 IEEE 802 has pushed 4 standards completely through the PSDO ratification process IEEE 802 standard 60 day pre-balllot 5 month FDIS ballot Comments resolved by IEEE Passed (2012)Passed in 2012Liaised in Nov XPassed (2013)Passed 21 Oct 2013Liaised in Jan AEPassed (2013)Passed 21 Oct 2013Liaised in Jan Passed (2013)Passed 16 Feb 2014Not required Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 22

23 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 IEEE 802 has 9 standards in the pipeline for ratification under the PSDO IEEE 802 standard 60 day pre-balllot 5 month FDIS ballot Comments resolved 802.1ABPassed (May 2013)Passed (18 Dec 2013)Finished & approved by the WG in Beijing 802.1ARPassed (May 2013)Passed (18 Dec 2013) 802.1ASPassed (May 2013)Passed (18 Dec 2013) aaPassed (Feb 2013)Passed (28 Jan 2014)Finished in Beijing Will be considered by WG in Hawaii adPassed (Feb 2013)Passed (28 Jan 2014) aePassed (Feb 2013)Passed (28 Jan 2014) 802.1AEbwPassed (Jan 2014)Finished & approved by the WG in Beijing 802.1AEbnPassed (Jan 2014) Passed (May 2014) Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 23

24 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 IEEE has been ratified as ISO/IEC :2012 and FDIS comment resolutions liaised Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide day pre-ballot: passed & comments liaised 60 day pre-ballot passed in 2012 –Responses to comments were liaised to SC6 FDIS ballot: passed & comments liaised FDIS passed in 2012 Standard published as ISO/IEC :2012 FDIS comments liaised in Dec 2013 –All the FDIS comments were submitted to TGmc for processing –Additional comments from Swiss NB in N15623 (a response to the IEEE 802/SC6 collaboration procedure) were also referred to TGmc –All the comments have been considered and resolutions approved as of November 2013 See liaised as 6N15832 in Nov

25 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 FDIS ballot on IEEE 802.1X passed in Oct 2103 and all FDIS comment resolutions liaised in Jan 2014 Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide day pre-ballot: passed & comments liaised Submission in N15515 Pre-ballot passed in 2013 –Voting results in N15555 –Comments from China NB replied to by IEEE 802 in N15607 FDIS ballot: passed & comments liaised FDIS passed 16/1/12 on 21 Oct 2013 –Voting results in N15771 –China NB only negative vote, with comments from China NB & Switzerland NB FDIS comments resolved in Dec 2013 –Liaised to SC6 as N15871 in Jan 2014 Standard has been published as ISO/IEC/IEEE X:2013

26 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 FDIS ballot on IEEE 802.1AE passed in Oct 2013 and all FDIS comment resolutions liaised in Jan 2014 Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide day pre-ballot: passed & comments liaised Submission in N15516 Pre-ballot passed in 2013 –Voting results in N15556 –Comments from China NB replied to by IEEE 802 in N15608 FDIS ballot: passed & comments liaised FDIS passed 16/1/13 on 21 Oct 2013 –Voting results in N15770 –China NB only negative vote, with comments from China NB & Switzerland NB FDIS comments resolved in Dec 2013 –Liaised to SC6 as N15871 in Jan 2014 (see previous page for response file) Standard has been published as ISO/IEC/IEEE AE:2013

27 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 FDIS on 802.1AB passed in Dec 2013 and FDIS comment resolution is complete Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide day pre-ballot: passed & comments liaised Submission in N15588 Pre-ballot passed in May 2013 –Voting results in N15626 –Comments from China replied to in N15659 FDIS ballot: passed & comments in process FDIS passed 16/1/16 on 18 Dec 2013 –Voting results in N15829 –China NB only negative vote, with comments from China NB & Switzerland NB FDIS comment responses were approved by WG in March 2014, and liaised to SC6 in May 2014 as N15944FDIS comment responses The standard was published as ISO/IEC AB:2014 on 15 March

28 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 FDIS on 802.1AR passed in Dec 2013 and FDIS comment resolution is complete Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide day pre-ballot: passed & comments liaised Submission in N15589 Pre-ballot passed in May 2013 –Voting results in N15627 –Comments from China replied to in N15659 FDIS ballot: passed & comments in process FDIS passed 17/2/16 on 18 Dec 2013 –Voting results in N15830 –China NB & Switzerland NB voted no and commented FDIS comment responses were approved by WG in March 2014, and liaised to SC6 in May 2014 as N15947FDIS comment responses Standard was published as ISO/IEC AR:2014 on 15 March

29 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 FDIS on 802.1AS passed in Dec 2013 and FDIS comment resolution is complete Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide day pre-ballot: passed & comments liaised Submission in N15590 Pre-ballot passed in May 2013 –Voting results in N15628 –Comments from China replied to in N15659 FDIS ballot: passed & comments in process FDIS passed 18/1/16 on 18 Dec 2013 –Voting results in N15831 –China NB voted no and China NB & Switzerland NB commented FDIS comment responses were approved by WG in March 2014, and liaised to SC6 in May 2014 as N15948FDIS comment responses Standard was published as ISO/IEC AS:2014 on 15 March

30 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 FDIS on ae passed in Jan 2014 and comment resolution will finish in May 2014 Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide day pre-ballot: passed & comments liaised Pre-ballot on N15552 passed in Feb 2013 –Voting results in N15599 –Comments from China replied to by IEEE 802 in N15647 –Comments from Japan in N15664 were resolved in discussions with commenter FDIS ballot: passed & comments in process FDIS passed 14/1/20 on 28 Jan 2014 –Voting results in N15883 –China NB voted no and commented they will not recognise result FDIS comment responses will be considered at this meeting –See Standard will be published as :2012/Amd 1:2014

31 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 FDIS on ad passed in Jan 2014 and comment resolution will finish in May 2014 Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide day pre-ballot: passed & comments liaised Pre-ballot on N15553 passed in Feb 2013 –Voting results in N15601 –Comments from China replied to by IEEE 802 in N15647 –Comments from Japan in N15664 were resolved in discussions with commenter FDIS ballot: passed & comments in process FDIS passed 16/1/17 on 28 Jan 2014 –Voting results in N15885 –China NB voted no and commented they will not recognise result –Switzerland commented on editorial matters similar to comments on 802.1X/AE FDIS comment responses will be considered at this meeting –See Standard will be published as :2012/Amd 3: 2014

32 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 FDIS on aa passed in Jan 2014 and comment resolution will finish in May 2014 Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide day pre-ballot: passed & comments liaised Pre-ballot on N15554 passed in Feb 2013 –Voting results in N15602 –Comments from China replied to by IEEE 802 in N15647 –Comments from Japan in N15664 were resolved in discussions with commenter FDIS ballot: passed & comments in process FDIS passed 16/1/18 on 28 Jan 2014 –Voting results in N15884 –China NB voted no and commented they will not recognise result FDIS comment responses will be considered at this meeting –See Standard will be published as :2012/Amd 2: 2014

33 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 FDIS on passed in Feb 2014, and no comment resolution is required Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide day pre-ballot: passed & comments liaised Pre-ballot on N15595 passed in May 2013 –Voting results in N15632 –Comments from China were responded to by the Maintenance TF in Geneva in N15724 FDIS ballot: passed & comments in process FDIS passed 16/0/20 on 16 Feb 2014 –Voting results in N15893 No FDIS comments need to be resolved Standard will be published as :2014

34 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 Pre-ballot on 802.1AEbw passed pre-ballot in Jan 2014, and comment resolution is complete Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide day pre-ballot: passed & comments liaised Pre-ballot on 802.1AEbw (N15xxx) passed in Jan 2014 –Voting results in N15858 –Passed 9/1/7 –Usual comment from China saying they will not recognise the result FDIS comment responses were approved by WG in March 2014, and were liaised to SC6 as N15946FDIS comment responses

35 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 Pre-ballot on 802.1AEbn passed in Feb 2014, and comment resolution is complete Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide day pre-ballot: passed & comments liaised Pre-ballot on 802.1AEbn (N15xxx) passed in Jan 2014 –Voting results in N15857 –Passed 9/1/7 –Usual comment from China saying they will not recognise the result FDIS comment responses were approved by WG in March 2014, and were liaised to SC6 as N15945FDIS comment responses

36 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 Pre-ballot on passed pre-ballot in May 2014 Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide day pre-ballot: passed & comments liaised Pre-ballot on (N15925) passed in May 2014 –Voting results in N15954 –Passed 8/1/10 A response to these comments will need be discussed today –Dr. Pyo from will be here to assist Note: the IEEE 802 liaison will need to suggest that SC6 pass a motion wrt similar to those on 802.1/3/11, which gave maintenance responsibility to the IEEE 802 WGs; this can be done in July

37 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 The China NB contributed a variation on the usual comment on IEEE China NB comment on China NB thanks for IEEEs contribution of IEEE (in SC6 N15925). As always, China encourages and supports standard collaboration between IEEE and ISO. However, based on the following reasons, China NB cannot support this proposal. This standard is to be implemented with IEEE 802.1X which has also been proposed to ISO for FDIS consideration under the PSDO agreement and has been published. China NB has expressed objection to its submission and provided detailed comments as in SC6N14747 SC6N15083 and SC6N IEEE had acknowledged the receiving of China NBs comments but has not made any satisfactory attempt to change Chinas negative vote. Since Chinas objection to the base/associated standards still stands, we cannot support other standards that rely on previous standard on security. For previous China NB comment, please refer to SC6N Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 37

38 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 The China NB contributed a variation on the usual comment on IEEE China NB comment on In addition, China NB also has concerns that the ongoing FDIS processes are reducing the quality and reputation of ISO/IEC standards. We will bring our concerns to the attention of ISO/IEC central offices. Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 38

39 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 The SC will discuss a response to the China NB comment on IEEE Possible outline … IEEE 802 thanks the China NB for its comment during the 60 day ballot on IEEE as part of its consideration according to the PSDO agreement It appears the China NB objects to IEEE using a security mechanism based on the use of ISO/IEC/IEEE X because the China NB believes its comments in the previous FDIS ballot on ISO/IEC/IEEE X have not been satisfactorily resolved It is up to the China NB to determine whether their comments on previous FDIS ballots have been satisfactorily resolved or not. However, we note IEEE 802 have responded fully to every comment received from all NBs during all 60 day and FDIS ballots undertaken as part of the PSDO agreement defined approval process Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 39

40 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 The SC will discuss a response to the China NB comment on IEEE Possible outline IEEE 802 do not believe there are any outstanding issues related to ISO/IEC/IEEE X, and note that this standard is being successfully implemented globally today in billions of devices. However, the IEEE 802 encourage China NB security experts to provide further details of any issues related to ISO/IEC/IEEE X at any time, preferably at a face to face meeting of the IEEE Working Group. The IEEE Working Group meeting schedule is available from the IEEE Working Group Chair Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 40

41 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 The SC will discuss a response to the China NB comment on IEEE Possible outline The China NB also asserted that the quality and reputation of ISO/IEC standards have been diminished by the use of PSDO defined approval process No evidence has been provided to justify this assertion, and so it is difficult for the IEEE 802 to respond in any meaningful way. However, the IEEE 802 note the PSDO agreement between IEEE and ISO has given ISO/IEC JTC1 NBs, as important stakeholders of the widely implemented and used suite of IEEE 802 standards, an effective mechanism for input and approval. The IEEE 802 believes the PSDO process has been very effective and encourages all NBs to make greater use of the opportunity to participate in the development and approval of the IEEE/ISO/IEC 8802 series of standards Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 41

42 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 The SC will discuss a frequent China NB comment In a number of ballots the China NB has stated it is regretful for China to be obliged to lose the responsibility and obligation of complying with and adopting the standard Jodi Haasz took an action to work with ISO to determine a response to this comment She reports that the comments were referred to the ISO Central Secretariat –She noted to the ISO Central Secretariat that IEEE 802 were unable to respond to these China NB comments Responsibility for resolution now lies with ISO Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 42

43 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 A number of security presentations based on TePA have been considered by SC6 ProposalEquivalentChinese standard? What type? NP proposal in WG1? Implemented? TEPA-ACSubset of 802.1X Yes (can we get a translation?) Not yetNot known TLSecSubset of 802.1AE Not yet; BWIPS driving Not yetYes, in lab TAAA security No?Not yetYes, in lab WAPISubset of i based security YesYes, passed, but withdrawn Yes, required in handsets & SP APs but rarely used TISecSubset/copy of IPSec No?Not yet (in WG7) Not known Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 43

44 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 There has been no further action on any of the TePA based proposals The China NB has been threatening NP proposals for the various TePA based proposals –WAPI, TLSec, TEPA-AC, TAAA, TISec So far no NPs have been proposed –Except WAPI, which was withdrawn in 2012 after much controversy It is possible that the China NB may now propose NPs after their Snowden presentation in Ottawa in Feb 2014 However, any such NPs face a variety of difficulties –Snowden is a very weak justification for a problem best handled by open & transparent standards –There are no known technical or market justifications for these NPs –It will be very difficult to identify 5 interested experts from 5 NBs If any NP is proposed by the China NB then the IEEE 802 will need to respond to it in detail and lobby SC6 NBs Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 44

45 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 WAPI has not gone away; it may be re-proposed in SC6 despite uncertainty about the process WAPI was cancelled as an NP proposal in early 2012 There was been little discussion of WAPI in SC6 since that time but there is a possibility it might be re-proposed The process for re-proposing WAPI in SC6 is currently uncertain –There is a claim made at the Korea meeting in June 2013 that the WAPI NP could be un-cancelled by a simple vote of SC6 NBs … –… despite some ambiguity, a good case could be made that un-cancelling the WAPI NP requires a new NP ballot WAPI has not gone away –It has ongoing support in China … –… but WPA2 is being embraced by Chinese SPs anyway –… particularly as part of HS2.0 (based on u) –WAPI will have ample government funding for the foreseeable future Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 45

46 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 The security discussion between IEEE 802 and the Swiss NB is proceeding glacially A discussion has been held between the IEEE 802 delegation to SC6 and the Swiss NB over many months on security issues … … in an attempt to create a better understanding between the two sides An early agreement (August 2013) was that each side should do some homework: –Dan Harkins: how certificates are used and validated in 802.1X/EAP-TLS –Hans Thomman how certificates are used and validated in TePA Dan Harkins reviewed his homework to this SC in Dallas – a version was subsequently submitted (and presented in February 2014) to SC6 –See N15845 –There were no problems identified by SC6 NB members in Ottawa in N15845 Hans Rudolf Thomann was asked in Ottawa to prepare the equivalent for TePA, which he agree to complete There has been no further progress Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 46

47 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 Individuals in China and HK are still pushing an alternative security agenda Kingston Zhang (HK SAR, observer in SC6) and a number of Chinese individual recently presented to SC27 –See 27N13649 They argued for a clean slate approach in SC27, based on a variety of bogus claims about internet security In particular they proposed that the Future Network project in SC6/WG7 take responsibility for Path Security for Cloud Computing Reports from SC27 indicate: –The presentation didn't gain traction –CSA asked for the picture slide to be removed This is important to IEEE 802 only be cause it indicates the theat to our security standards has not gone away Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 47

48 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 A recent Chinese focus on internet security represents a risk and an opportunity for IEEE 802 Chinese President Xi Jinping elevated cybersecurity to a top national priority on February 27, 2014 with the announcement of the Central Internet Security and Information Leading Group This decision unifies for the first time all organizations involved in cybersecurity under a single structure President Xi personally chairs the group, and stated at the groups inaugural meeting that There is no national security without Internet security. This represents both a risk and opportunity for IEEE 802 security standards The opportunity is to sho that IEEE Security standards satisfy the Chinese needs for Internet security Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 48

49 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 A number of other proposals relevant to IEEE are being considered by SC6 ProposalEquivalentChinese standard? NP proposal in WG1? Implemented? UHT802.11n extensionYesNoNot known EUHT802.11ac competitor – really a LTE lite in unlicensed spectrum solution YesNoPrototype WLAN CloudSimilar to existing functionality in APs or using HS2.0 NoPWI proposal in WG7 Not known Optimization technology in WLAN None obvious;NoPWI proposal in WG7 Not known Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 49

50 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 There is no news on EUHT standardisation in ISO/IEC but some activity in IEEE WG There is no further news on standardisation of EUHT in ISO/IEC: –it was not discussed at the SC6 meeting in Korea in June 2013 or in Ottawa in February 2014 Nufront presented to the IEEE WG and conducted a Q&A in Hawaii in May 2013 –See 595r0 & 595r1 for presentation595r0595r1 –See 640r0 for Q&A minutes640r0 Nufront presented to IEEE WG and this SC in relation to EUHT, and more explicitly coexistence with IEEE in Sept 2013 – EUHT Status Description1147 – EUHT Technology Document1148 – Interference and Co-existence Issues of EUHT network1149 – Process Recommendations on Coexistence Interference Analysis1150 It was hoped that Nufront would return in March 2014 to participate in HEW, but they did not Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 50

51 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 SC6/WG7 previously decided to delay decisions on two PWI proposals related to WLAN SC6/WG7 discussed two proposals for PWIs related to WLAN at the Seoul meeting in 2013 –N15692: WLAN Cloud Allows sharing of APs by SPs –N15691: Optimization technology in WLAN Defines protocol for sending WLAN sniffing data to central database It appears the IEEE 802 delegation was not in attendance when the items were initially discussed However, later in the week the US NB rep successfully argued that PWIs should not be started in WG7 because the items were maybe within the scope of WG1 Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 51

52 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 In Ottawa, the appropriate WG for the two PWI proposal related to WLAN was discussed WG1 and WG7 had a joint meeting in Ottawa in Feb 2014 to discuss the appropriate WG for the two PWI proposals New presentations were provided –N15913: WLAN Cloud Proponents were not in attendance But presented by China NB representative –N15911: Optimization technology in WLAN Presented by proponents Cases were made for both to remain in WG7 –WLAN Cloud makes no change to WLAN interface; only the AP to controller interface (maybe they should go to IETF and change CAPWAP?) –Optimization technology in WLAN makes no change to WLAN interface, rather defining an interface between sniffer and database Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 52

53 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 It was decided to address the proposals in WG7 but neither PWI was approved No formal decision was made by the joint WG1/WG7 meeting, or by the SC6 plenary meeting … … but apparently the WG1 and WG7 Chairs made a decision that both activities should take place in WG7... to which the US NB objected on procedural grounds A resolution to start a PWI on Optimization technology in WLAN in WG7 failed –Failed 2/3/2, and no further action was taken –N15911 was subsequently removed from the SC6 document sever A resolution to send the Virtual AP document out for comment before the May 2014 interim WG7 meeting passed –Comments were requested by 30 April … Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 53

54 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 SC6/WG7 are planning to discuss the Virtual AP document in late May 2014 The IEEE WG responded to the call for comments on the Virtual AP document in March 2014 –See N15931 The China NB responded in May 2014 –See N15951 – The Research Report on Framework and Interface of WLAN Virtual Network –It seems to totally ignore the IEEE 802 submission noting that the problem has already been solved WG7 will discuss this issue during their meeting in Beijing on May 2014 –The IEEE 802 Liaison to SC6 has reached out to WG7 Chair to confirm the IEEE submission is on the agenda, and when it will ne discussed; there is a possibility that an IEEE 802 rep might be able to attend the WG7 meeting in Beijing. Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 54

55 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 The next SC6 meeting will be held in the UK in October 2014 Meeting ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6 Host BSI Date Week of October 2014 (week after WFA meeting in Berlin) Location Offices of BSI in London Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 55

56 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 The SC will probably need to select a new IEEE 802 liaison to SC6 Bruce Kraemer has acted as the IEEE 802 liaison officer to SC6 for some years It is possible/likely that Bruce will unavailable to continue this role Who would like to take over? Note: it is probably inappropriate for Andrew Myles to take this role because of a perceived conflict with his other hat Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 56

57 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 IEEE 802 JTC1 SC will consider any motions Motion 1 –The IEEE 802 JTC1 SC recommends to the IEEE WG that be liaised to SC6 as the IEEE WG response to SC6 NB comments on the recent FDIS ballots on aa/ad/ae –Moved –Seconded –Result Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 57

58 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 The IEEE 802 JTC1 SC will prepare for the October SC6 meeting at the July 2014 Plenary meeting Resolution from SC6 on scheduling for Oct meeting suggests we need to have our submissions to SC6 ready out of the July meeting –Following the ISO/IEC Directives, JTC 1 Supplement and JTC 1 Standing Document on Meetings, SC 6 establishes the following deadlines for contributions for the 2014 SC 6 meetings in UK: –Documents for the meetings, particularly those raising new issues/new agenda items or those for which approval at the meeting is desired, must be delivered to the Secretariat no later than for posting on the SC 6 web server. Documents received by the Secretariat after will be circulated for information but will not be considered, unless they fall into the exceptions specified in JTC 1 Standing Document on Meetings, in which case the deadline is The agenda for July will be constructed as SC6 agenda items become clear Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 58

59 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 ISO/IEC JTC1 is changing the way it organises participation in WGs The organisational structure in ISO/IEC JTC1 is changing to align its operation with ISO A recent communication from JTC1 states –Working Groups are comprised of INDIVIDUAL EXPERTS appointed by National Bodies and Liaison Organizations –These experts MUST be entered into Global Directory to be considered a member of the WG and to receive documents –National Bodies are responsible for ensuring that their expert appointments are up to date –Liaison Organizations work via ITTF to maintain their expert members –If the expert is NOT in Global Directory, he/she will not receive documents and will NOT be considered a member of the WG. Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 59

60 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 ISO/IEC JTC1 is changing One way of dealing with this change is to empower the SC Chair to appoint experts to WG1 and WG7, with the understanding that anyone who volunteers will be appointed Proposed motion (for ratification by IEEE 802 EC) –The IEEE 802 JTC1 SC recommends to the IEEE 802 EC that the Chair of the IEEE 802 JTC1 SC be empowered to arrange for any IEEE 802 experts to be added to any Working Group lists in ISO/IEC JTC1 –Moved –Seconded –Result Yell, if you would like to be appointed Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 60

61 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 Are there any other matters for consideration by IEEE 802 JTC1 SC? Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 61

62 doc.: IEEE /0553r3 Submission May 2014 The IEEE 802 JTC1 SC will adjourn for the week Motion: The IEEE 802 JTC1 SC, having completed its business in Hawaii in May 2014, adjourns Moved: Seconded: Result: Andrew Myles, CiscoSlide 62


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