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1 A NEW REALM

2 Angela Kailey Gauthier University of Oklahoma Pre-Law Advisor Classics & Letters Department. (staff) Advise students of all majors toward law school. Advise Classics & Letters students academically. Introduce yourself: Name/ Institution / Title Is there a pre-law advisor at your institution? faculty or staff? Where are they housed? Do you have a pre-law major/minor or program? ME YOU WHO AM I /WHO ARE YOU?

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4 QUESTION: LOGICAL REASONING When pregnant lab rats are given caffeine equivalent to the amount a human would consume by drinking six cups of coffee per day, an increase in the incidence of birth defects results. When asked if the government would require warning labels on products containing caffeine, a spokesperson stated that it would not because if the finding of these studies were to be refuted in the future, the government would lose credibility. 1. Which of the following is most strongly suggested by the government's statement above? (A) A warning that applies to a small population is inappropriate. (B) Very few people drink as many as six cups of coffee a day. (C) There are doubts about the conclusive nature of studies on animals. (D) Studies on rats provide little data about human birth defects. (E) The seriousness of birth defects involving caffeine is not clear.

5 The Correct answer is C: There are doubts about the conclusive nature of studies on animals. ANSWER TO LOGICAL REASONING

6 QUESTION: ANALYTICAL REASONING 1. Buses 1, 2, and 3 make one trip each day, and they are the only ones that riders A, B, C, D, E, F, and G take to work. Neither E nor G takes bus 1 on a day when B does. G does not take bus 2 on a day when D does. When A and F take the same bus, it is always bus 3. C always takes bus 3. Traveling together to work, B, C, and G could take which of the same buses on a given day? (A) 1 only (B) 2 only (C) 3 only (D) 2 and 3 only (E) 1, 2, and 3

7 The correct answer is (C). Bus 1: If B, then no E or G Bus 2: If D, then no G Bus 3: C always Bus 3: When A and F take the same bus. ANSWER TO ANALYTICAL REASONING

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9 LSAT FORMAT Retrieved from: LSAT/lsat-at-a-glance.html?om_rid=NsyonB&om_mid=_BRLOp0B8so8HcAhttp://www.kaptest.com/LSAT/Learn-and-Discuss/Everything- LSAT/lsat-at-a-glance.html?om_rid=NsyonB&om_mid=_BRLOp0B8so8HcA SectionTimeFormat Logical Reasoning I35 min24-26 questions Logical Reasoning II35 min24-26 questions Logic Games35 min22-24 questions Reading Comprehension 35 min26-28 questions Experimental Section35 min22-28 questions Writing Sample35 min1 essay

10 GENERAL ADVISING TIPS PRE-LAW WORLD Top 5 things for students to consider (NOW) Top 5 1 – BA is #1 priority 2 – GPA is #1 priority 3 – LSAT score is #1 priority 4 – Involvement 5 – Skills for law school Next 5 1 –Work on Personal Statement 2 – Think about connections for LORs 3 – Internships/research 4 – Visit schools/talk to admissions sit in on classes 5 – Cost and RO I ! Next 5 things for students to consider

11 ADVISING PRE-LAW

12 GPA & LSAT WHAT REALLY MATTERS?

13 Retrieved from: LEGAL OCCUPATIONS DATA 2012 TOTAL Legal Occupations=1,786,000 Lawyers=1,061,000 (31% women) Judicial Law Clerks= 17,000 Judges/Magistrates/other judicial= 67,000 Paralegal/Legal Assistants= 418,000 Misc. Support Workers= 223,000

14 Check out the website: PLANC.ORG 2012 PLANC CONFERENCE J UNE 2012, W ASHINGTON D.C. Council Associations MAPLA Midwest Association of PreLaw Advisors NAPLA Northeast Association of PreLaw Advisors SAPLA Southern Association of PreLaw Advisors SWAPLA Southwest Association of PreLaw Advisors PCAPLA Pacific Coast Association of PreLaw Advisors WAPLA Western Association of PreLaw Advisors

15 Reference: Leipold, James; Brave New World: The Entry-Level Legal Employment Market after the Great Recession; NALP; PLANC 6/13/12; Washington, D.C. An Era Ends Sept – Large Firm Salaries continue to rise! July 2008 – New Grad Market Highest Level in 20 Years! Aug Large Firm Salaries UP AGAIN! July 2009 – Market shrinks for class of 2008: o Employment rate registers first decline since 2003

16 Reference: NALP: The Association for Legal Career Professionals REALITY CHECK Collapse of the credit market: no credit = no deals Law firm transactional work dries up overnight Firms: cut expenses; layoffs; deferrals for new grads Jobs lost in legal sector : 56, % of all US associates lost their jobs in 2009 Class of 2010 saddled with falling average starting salaries as private practice jobs erode July 2011 Law school grads face worst job market yet:… June 2011

17 JOBS AVAILABLE to JD INCOME to DEBT RATIO WHERE THE JOBS ARE PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS GPA GAINING STEAM THE ETHICAL DILEMMA JOBS AVAILABLE to JD INCOME to DEBT RATIO WHERE THE JOBS ARE PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS GPA GAINING STEAM THE ETHICAL DILEMMA CHANGESCHANGES

18 2012 Law School Graduate Statistic Updates 56.2% of 2012 graduates employed in jobs requiring a JD (up from 54.9% in 2011) 10.6% of graduates unemployed (8.1% in 2011) 2010 largest entering class in history (these students graduated in spring 2013 – no statistics yet). Applicant numbers: Fall 2012 = 67,700 Fall 2013 = 59,426 as of August 8 (down 12.3 %) 51% of law schools have voluntarily cut the size of the entering class. [Ex: U of Iowa desired class size is 150: Fall 2010 = 203 / Fall 2013 = 94 without lowering standards.] Retrieved From: continue-to-tumble/http://abovethelaw.com/2013/08/law-school-applications- continue-to-tumble/ costs-rise-and-jobs-are-cut.html?pagewanted=all 2012 Law School Graduate Statistic Updates 56.2% of 2012 graduates employed in jobs requiring a JD (up from 54.9% in 2011) 10.6% of graduates unemployed (8.1% in 2011) 2010 largest entering class in history (these students graduated in spring 2013 – no statistics yet). Applicant numbers: Fall 2012 = 67,700 Fall 2013 = 59,426 as of August 8 (down 12.3 %) 51% of law schools have voluntarily cut the size of the entering class. [Ex: U of Iowa desired class size is 150: Fall 2010 = 203 / Fall 2013 = 94 without lowering standards.] Retrieved From: continue-to-tumble/http://abovethelaw.com/2013/08/law-school-applications- continue-to-tumble/ costs-rise-and-jobs-are-cut.html?pagewanted=all

19 1.More practical training 2.Fewer entry level positions 3.More clinical exposure 4.Educating on professionalism 5.Alternative careers with a JD 6.Law school guarantees 7.Scrutiny of law schools 8.Other talk…. 1.Less intellectualism 2.Firms do not want to train 3.Hands-on learning 4.Employment practices 5.What else is available 6.AssuredOutcomesPartnership 7.Accountability reports 8.2 years/combined curriculum/joint degrees WHATS HAPPENING

20 Do you need law school to: Q: Become a Lobbyist A: NO! Do your research, there are often many paths to a career. If you need a JD then so be it! But if you think it just provides a path…consider carefully. (i.e. politics) Nope…it really doesnt matter! Make your B.A./B.S. is your number one priority – you never know what will happen prior to law school. ~marriage ~sick family member ~sick of school ~dont get accepted ~decide to go back later Alternatives to law schoolMajor/Minor DO YOUR HOMEWORK

21 SO YOU WANT TO BE A LAWYER?

22 prelaw.ou.edu offices/careers/gradschool/ law/lawlocator offices/careers/gradschool/ law/lawlocator WEB SITES YOU SHOULD KNOW

23 Articles used in this presentation (not referenced elsewhere): An Existential Crisis for Law Schools, by Lincoln Caplan. (NYT) Retrieved From: Find Satisfaction In the Law, by Ronald W. Fox, Esquire. Retrieved from: LSAT Scores as Predictors of Law School Performance. By Law School Admission Council, Inc. Law Dean Takes to the New York Times Op-Ed Page to Blame Media for Declining Law School Applications, By Elie Mystal. Retrieved From: applications/ applications/ Law Schools Applications Fall as Costs Rise and Job are Cut, by Ethan Bronner. (NYT) Retrieved From: Law School is Worth the Money, by Lawrence Mitchell. (NYT) Retrieved From: school-is-worth-the-money.htmlhttp://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/29/opinion/law- school-is-worth-the-money.html Law School by the Numbers: 300K Additional Law Grads by 2020; 73K New Jobs Forecast for Decade, by Debra Cassens Weiss. Retrieved From: Think $160K is the Standard Big Law Salary? Think again, NALP Says, by Debra Cassens Weiss. Retrieved From: To the Class of 2015, by Paul Campos. Retrieved From: htmlhttp://insidethelawschoolscam.blogspot.com/2012/08/to-class-of html Truth or Dare: The New Employment Market, by James Leipold. (NALP) Retrieved From: U. of Iowa Sees Large Drop in Entering Law Students. (Inside Higher Ed). Retrieved From: Will the Legal Establishment Allow a Two-year Law School? (CNBC.com). Retrieved From: REFERENCES

24 THANK YOU! ~DISCUSSION~


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